Pakistan vs India : A Real Time Comparison by World Bank ( Kahan Thay, Kahan Aa Gaey )

سہیل خانزادہ

Minister (2k+ posts)
Here is a real time development comparison between Pakistan and India.
Kahan Thay Hum, Kahan A Gaey....

I always have believe that Pakistan has a lot more potential for growth than India and that is evident from these graphs, but unfortunately, after 90s, our prioroties just got f***ed up...

Something to ponder about


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The Paths have Diverged !! Its easy to see how a faster growth rate can catch up even if you are really behind.

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Pakistan was ahead until 1991 or so, then the pattern reversed

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Energy Use- - A Proxy to Growth

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Shahid Abassi

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
A lot of it changed in the last ten years. There are two reason to pakistan's graphs going down, terrorism and corruption.
But as both of these are going down now thanks to Gen. Raheel Sharif, and that China is ready to invest billions of USD, we will surely catch india in the coming few years.
 

Mobeen Ahmad

Voter (50+ posts)
I can agree with your point regarding Gen. Raheel Sharif.
But China is not investing billions dollars. China is giving loans for different periods which had accepted by Federal Minister in Live Talk Show. Govt don't release information or brief regarding any contract with other Countries. Because there are some hidden conditions.

A lot of it changed in the last ten years. There are two reason to pakistan's graphs going down, terrorism and corruption.
But as both of these are going down now thanks to Gen. Raheel Sharif, and that China is ready to invest billions of USD, we will surely catch india in the coming few years.
 

Shahid Abassi

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Being an economist, here is my answer sir:
(1) Even if these were loans, our economy (GDP, jobs, export, taxes) will grow. Spending 45 billion in an economy do change the shape of a country like Pakistan.
(2) As a result of this spending an economic activity will start (Kashi to Gwader) which will expand with time and billions of USD will be added to our GDP.
(3) Of the total 46 billion, only 5 billion are direct loans (1,62 billion for Lahore railway + 3,4 billion Multan to Sukkur motorway) The rest of it are in the shape of, the chinese states banks give loans to the Chinese companies who then invest in Pakistan. But if you ask me, I would have prefered that all of these 46 billion were given as loan to pakistan. You know why?

The chinese companies are getting these loans from their banks at 1,82 % interest, then they invest the money in Pakistan to produce electricity and government of Pakistan is guaranteeing them a net profit of 20% on their investment. It means, they can earn their investments back in 5 years and then go on to earn the same for years to come. Now if we had taken it as a loan, we could have paid it over 30 years and then no more.



I can agree with your point regarding Gen. Raheel Sharif.
But China is not investing billions dollars. China is giving loans for different periods which had accepted by Federal Minister in Live Talk Show. Govt don't release information or brief regarding any contract with other Countries. Because there are some hidden conditions.
 

Chaudhry_1960

Minister (2k+ posts)
انڈیا کی خوش قسمتی ہے کہ انہیں ضیالحق, بینظیر بھٹو, نوازشریف, چوھدری برادران اور آصف زرداری جیسی گند سے پالا نہیں پڑا
 

United4Pak

Minister (2k+ posts)
Ins cause that stands out from 90's is the direct foreign investment which made the difference in Indian economy. The reason is to make your country safe and policies suitable for investment.
 

Altaf Lutfi

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
وقت جیسا بھی تھا، گزر گیا، اب چینی جانیں اور اللہ جانے ! ۔۔ اتنا رونا دھونا کس لیے ؟ ھمیں بُرے حکمران ملے تو اس کے نتیجے میں غریب کا پیٹ خالی رھا، انڈیا کو قوم پرست تجربہ کار قیادت نصیب رھی، تو کیا وہاں کا غریب ہاضمے کی پھکی کھا کر سوتا ھے ؟ اُدھر تو ڈھنگ کا واش روم تک نہیں -- یہ فقط نظر کا دھوکہ ھے، ترقی انڈیا یا پاکستان کی نہیں ھوتی، کارپوریٹ سرمایہ کار کی ھوتی ھے
 

Shahid Abassi

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Corporate investor gets it all? no. The investors can't operate if they don't have people to work on the ground. The people on ground are jobs which change poor's life.
Secondly, it is corporate babu who is paying 90% of the tax which is/should be then invested on the poor. In Pakistan, about 83% of all direct taxes are paied by 20 biggest companies.

وقت جیسا بھی تھا، گزر گیا، اب چینی جانیں اور اللہ جانے ! ۔۔ اتنا رونا دھونا کس لیے ؟ ھمیں بُرے حکمران ملے تو اس کے نتیجے میں غریب کا پیٹ خالی رھا، انڈیا کو قوم پرست تجربہ کار قیادت نصیب رھی، تو کیا وہاں کا غریب ہاضمے کی پھکی کھا کر سوتا ھے ؟ اُدھر تو ڈھنگ کا واش روم تک نہیں -- یہ فقط نظر کا دھوکہ ھے، ترقی انڈیا یا پاکستان کی نہیں ھوتی، کارپوریٹ سرمایہ کار کی ھوتی ھے
 

Mikkix

Minister (2k+ posts)
After watching the graph. It appears that we start loosing since early 1990s and then after 2003 a vigorous Change occurs to both Pakistan going down speedily and endia going up.
army and politicians are responsible for what we had saw in graph.
 

Altaf Lutfi

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Corporate investor gets it all? no. The investors can't operate if they don't have people to work on the ground. The people on ground are jobs which change poor's life.
Secondly, it is corporate babu who is paying 90% of the tax which is/should be then invested on the poor. In Pakistan, about 83% of all direct taxes are paied by 20 biggest companies.

I guess you did not get the essence of my words. For sure I did not analyze the issue with facts and figures. I talked of the net outcome of this system of manipulation, abuse, inequality and injustice. You have quoted 20 big companies paying taxes but it is not being invested for poor' s welfare. The focal issue is keeping the poor a poor and over a dozen governmental entities are failing to safeguard low income employees to be paid fairly. So much so that this system is unjustly feeding on income of middle class by ignoring gross violations of price control regime. If you look closely, you will notice an organized network in government private partnership and with open heart protection by impotent legal system to promote poverty through exploitation and loot but hardly we find something being done for uplift of the poor except meaningless talk show statements.
 

Labaas1

Councller (250+ posts)
I guess you did not get the essence of my words. For sure I did not analyze the issue with facts and figures. I talked of the net outcome of this system of manipulation, abuse, inequality and injustice. You have quoted 20 big companies paying taxes but it is not being invested for poor' s welfare. The focal issue is keeping the poor a poor and over a dozen governmental entities are failing to safeguard low income employees to be paid fairly. So much so that this system is unjustly feeding on income of middle class by ignoring gross violations of price control regime. If you look closely, you will notice an organized network in government private partnership and with open heart protection by impotent legal system to promote poverty through exploitation and loot but hardly we find something being done for uplift of the poor except meaningless talk show statements.
First of all these graph's are 20℅ truth, not denying they are incorrect but they have not one trutyh for real data in previous 10 years after the Red hand caught of Indian accountants falsified data on large scale in forums right here as proof.
 
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abhay

MPA (400+ posts)
we were lagging because we were not incompetent or something but because of our socialism policies.

And we started to grow after liberalization of our economy in 1991 by then Prime minister Mr. P. V. Narasimha Rao. He was called the Chanakya.

thanks to his vision we took the upward trajectory and now Mr. Modi is implementing another reforms.