Pakistan must act against those guilty of attacks on India: Nicolas Sarkozy
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This Zionist took 30 billion from Libya, and later disposed Qadafi with American help, and destroyed the country. This Jew sayan former PM is a pimp of israhell and a war criminal murerder.
His favorite hobby, killing pimp Arab rulers. He Loves to see dead Arabs.
Re: Ex-French President Nicolas Sarkozy's Message to Pakistan
Noora Butt Pehlay hi RAW ki bharva geeri kar ke Pakistan ke Kabhoshan walaay muamlay ko dabanay ki koshish karr raha hai kyonkeh yeh jahil GAMA MAJHA India asset hai isko Sharam aani chai a abhi takk yeh yaa iskaa koi bharva aur haraam khore wazeer nahi bhonka Indian dehshat gardi ke khilaaf ****** INdian Asset Noora Butt
Noora Butt Pehlay hi RAW ki bharva geeri kar ke Pakistan ke Kabhoshan walaay muamlay ko dabanay ki koshish karr raha hai kyonkeh yeh jahil GAMA MAJHA India asset hai isko Sharam aani chai a abhi takk yeh yaa iskaa koi bharva aur haraam khore wazeer nahi bhonka Indian dehshat gardi ke khilaaf ****** INdian Asset Noora Butt
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Mr. sarkozi can you also talk about what you think off a serving Indian colonel's admonition of planting terror activities in Pakistan ??:biggthumpup:
what would you say about that ??
what advice would you give India ??
Mr. sarkozi can you also talk about what you think off a serving Indian colonel's admonition of planting terror activities in Pakistan ??:biggthumpup:
what would you say about that ??
what advice would you give India ??
kesariya
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all terrorists are flocking on this thread alongwith naukar of laal tashrif modern.dalit , why ?
because there a$$es are on fire since sarkoji ne dahashatgardo ka muh kaala kar dia . ..............ha ha ha :lol::lol::lol::lol:
all terrorists are flocking on this thread alongwith naukar of laal tashrif modern.dalit , why ?
because there a$$es are on fire since sarkoji ne dahashatgardo ka muh kaala kar dia . ..............ha ha ha :lol::lol::lol::lol:
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filhaal to endia ki g@@nd lal horaahi hai kul bhushan ji ki dhulai dekh dekh ker ....kesay nalaik log rakhay hain [hilar][hilar][hilar][hilar]
filhaal to endia ki g@@nd lal horaahi hai kul bhushan ji ki dhulai dekh dekh ker ....kesay nalaik log rakhay hain [hilar][hilar][hilar][hilar]
kesariya
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dekh lo apne layak log ................tumhara muh kala ho gaya dunia bhar me besharm namakul badbakht .......:lol::lol::lol:
dekh lo apne layak log ................tumhara muh kala ho gaya dunia bhar me besharm namakul badbakht .......:lol::lol::lol:
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[hilar][hilar][hilar][hilar] kiyoon ??? ...kul bhushan ji ko g@@nd lal hogayee hai ....aur unki tashreef bhi laal hogai hai ....to tu to wesay hi depression mein chala gaya hai ......ab pooch kul bhushan ji say 1000 koray peray hain ya 10 000 [hilar][hilar]
Yeh kon woh log jinsay tum apnay app per hi attack kerwatay ho ?? ...Like proven in your court ?? "Mumbai was an inside job" ??[hilar][hilar]
[hilar][hilar][hilar][hilar] kiyoon ??? ...kul bhushan ji ko g@@nd lal hogayee hai ....aur unki tashreef bhi laal hogai hai ....to tu to wesay hi depression mein chala gaya hai ......ab pooch kul bhushan ji say 1000 koray peray hain ya 10 000 [hilar][hilar]
Yeh kon woh log jinsay tum apnay app per hi attack kerwatay ho ?? ...Like proven in your court ?? "Mumbai was an inside job" ??[hilar][hilar]
dekh lo apne layak log ................tumhara muh kala ho gaya dunia bhar me besharm namakul badbakht ......
kesariya
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lagta hai zaida ki tashrif laal hone ke baad tera dimagh kaam karne me fail ho gaya hai ? [hilar][hilar][hilar]
tujhe urdu samajh me nahi aati ? abdul rahman antulay ne kab kaha ki 26/11 inside job hai ? woh to kah raha hai ki karkare ko kama hospital nahi jana chahiye tha waha pakistani terrorists ne use mar dia .(bigsmile)
lagta hai zaida ki tashrif laal hone ke baad tera dimagh kaam karne me fail ho gaya hai ? [hilar][hilar][hilar]
tujhe urdu samajh me nahi aati ? abdul rahman antulay ne kab kaha ki 26/11 inside job hai ? woh to kah raha hai ki karkare ko kama hospital nahi jana chahiye tha waha pakistani terrorists ne use mar dia .(bigsmile)
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Kul bhushan ji ki tashreef laaal hogai hai ....itni laaal kay woh sub aur "colour" bhool gaye hain [hilar][hilar][hilar]
kitnay koray peray ?? 1000 ?? ye 1 per hi laal hogayee ??? [hilar][hilar][hilar]
Aray koi samjaye bhai kul bhushan ji Indian army kay businessman hai bina visay kay baolchistan mein guns kay saath pakray gaye hain [hilar][hilar][hilar]
unki tahsreef khoob baj rahi hai aj kal !!
[h=1]INDIA Govt behind Parliament attack, 26/11: Ishrat probe officer[/h]
The officer said that the terror attacks were set up "with the objective of strengthening the counter-terror legislation (sic)".
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...Ishrat-probe-officer/articleshow/21062116.cms
NEW DELHI: In what is certain to escalate the already vicious fight between the CBI and the
Kul bhushan ji ki tashreef laaal hogai hai ....itni laaal kay woh sub aur "colour" bhool gaye hain [hilar][hilar][hilar]
kitnay koray peray ?? 1000 ?? ye 1 per hi laal hogayee ??? [hilar][hilar][hilar]
Aray koi samjaye bhai kul bhushan ji Indian army kay businessman hai bina visay kay baolchistan mein guns kay saath pakray gaye hain [hilar][hilar][hilar]
unki tahsreef khoob baj rahi hai aj kal !!
[h=1]INDIA Govt behind Parliament attack, 26/11: Ishrat probe officer[/h]
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...Ishrat-probe-officer/articleshow/21062116.cms
NEW DELHI: In what is certain to escalate the already vicious fight between the CBI and the
kesariya
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Re: Ex-French President Nicolas Sarkozy's Message to Pakistan
lol...........lol...............lol
abey is paagal clerk [hilar][hilar][hilar] ki baat ki kya value isne to thane me report likhai thi ki iski biwi ise roj marti hai [hilar]? tumhara f.i.a. ka d.g . khud investigate kar ke bata chuka hai ki i.s.i. ki madad se lashkar ne bombay par hamla kia hai
lo tumhara prime minister khud kah raha hai .
181951: Pakistanis were involved in Mumbai attacks, says Nawaz Sharif
McCain noted the enormous political pressures Indian leaders faced and urged Pakistan action against Mumbai attacker, Sharif said he recognized that Pakistan faced the same enemy and committed to work against the extremists.
181951 12/9/2008 7:43 08 LAHORE 315 Consulate Lahore CONFIDENTIAL "R 090743Z DEC 08FM AMCONSUL LAHORETO SECSTATE WASHDC 3845INFO AMEMBASSY ISLAMABAD AMCONSUL CHENNAI CIA WASHDCAMEMBASSY KABUL AMCONSUL KARACHI AMCONSUL KOLKATA AMCONSUL MUMBAI AMEMBASSY NEW DELHI AMCONSUL PESHAWAR AMCONSUL LAHORE " "C O N F I D E N T I A L LAHORE 000315
E.O. 12958: DECL: 12/9/2018 TAGS: PGOV, PREL, PTER, IN, PK
SUBJECT: NAWAZ SHARIF TELLS CODEL MCCAIN PAKISTANIS WERE INVOLVED IN MUMBAI
CLASSIFIED BY: Clinton Taylor, Acting Principal Officer, Consulate Lahore, US DoS.
REASON: 1.4 (b), (d)
1. (C) Summary: Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PMLN) leader and former Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif told Senators John McCain and Lindsey Graham December 6 he is convinced Pakistanis were involved in the Mumbai attacks and he would push for strict action against the responsible extremists. Sharif pointed out that he had concluded the Lahore Declaration in 1999 with Indian Prime Minister Atal Vajpayee, and the PMLN has refrained from making India a political issue. McCain noted the enormous political pressures Indian leaders faced and urged Pakistan action against Mumbai attacker, Sharif said he recognized that Pakistan faced the same enemy and committed to work against the extremists. End Summary.
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Nawaz Sharif Upset About U.S. Support for Musharraf
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2. (C) Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PMLN) leader and former Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif told Senators John McCain and Lindsey Graham December 6 that his party has acted responsibly with the ruling Pakistan People's Party (PPP) to fight terrorism. He recounted that former President Pervez Musharraf had exiled both him and PPP leader Benazir Bhutto, and he was ""amazed when President Bush provided his support for a dictator."" His party had supported the PPP government until President Asif Zardari failed to honor his commitment to restore the judges dismissed by Musharraf, at which point the PMLN withdrew from the national government.
3. (C) Nawaz Sharif contrasted his approach to India, in which he had signed the Lahore Declaration with Indian Prime Minister Atal Vajpayee to establish a peaceful path to normalization, to Musharraf's strategy, which brought on the confrontation at Kargil, ""the biggest blunder he committed,"" Sharif said. He boasted that his party has refrained from using India as a political tool. ""We strongly condemned what happened in India, and want the issue to come to an end,"" he stated. ""If there is any concrete evidence, we must take action.""
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McCain Urges Pakistan to Respond Quickly
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4. (C) Senator John McCain underscored that the evidence from the Mumbai attacks indicates the perpetrators came out of Pakistan. ""These are facts,"" he stressed. He described his recent visit to New Delhi, in which he found public opinion ""never more aroused."" ""Unless some concrete steps besides condemning the attacks are taken, you will see concrete action from India,"" he warned. Specific action from Pakistan, such as dismantling the training camps, will allow the U.S. to help defuse the rapidly escalating tension between the two countries and relieve the pressure on India to respond militarily, he offered.
5. (C) Turning to Afghanistan, McCain noted that the U.S. has achieved ""some degree of success against these warring elements."" He worried about the viability of the government in Kabul and President Hamid Karzai's lack of popularity and acceptance throughout the country, and recognized that violence has increased because of the sustained presence of the Taliban. He urged Sharif to support Pakistan to work closely together with the U.S. to confront a ""common enemy.""
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Sharif Says He Recognizes Terrorist Threat to Pakistan
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6. (C) Sharif recounted that during his stints as Prime Minister he offered Pakistan's support for the Gulf War and discussed in great detail with President Clinton how to deal with extremist forces in Afghanistan. ""Who could be more committed to fight against terrorism?"" he asked. The December 5 bomb in Peshawar and the blast at the Marriott Hotel proved that Pakistan also faced a threat. He was aggrieved over the assassination of Benazir Bhutto and he himself had dodged bullets at election rallies. ""The people responsible for Bombay are also operating in Pakistan -- we face those forces here,"" he said. He underlined his commitment to help the government ""eradicate this menace.""
7. (C) Regarding India, Sharif acknowledged the country's anger, but criticized the Indian media for its ""indecent haste"" in blaming Pakistan. But he described how he had listened to the phone call made by one of the attackers and even though the individual claimed he was Indian, Sharif heard a Pakistani accent. ""The people involved were from this country -- I am convinced,"" he stated. ""We must take strictest action against those elements."" Once India produces concrete evidence, ""we should proceed whole hog,"" he declared.
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McCain Urges Action
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8. (C) McCain reiterated that Pakistan must take ""specific steps to calm the situation."" He explained that because India's government answers to the people, it must respond to the voters' demand to take action. He pointed out that economic development and military assistance to Pakistan is essential to help the country fight terrorism. ""I do not want to see a movement in Congress to take measures to reduce assistance,"" he cautioned.
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Graham Stresses Rule of Law
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9. (C) Senator Graham praised the lawyers movement, and said that he saw an ""opportunity for the rule of law to take center stage."" He offered that the international community would look favorably on Pakistan if it took decisive action against the terrorists. ""If India believes that its neighbor is a safe haven for the people who slaughtered its citizens, it cannot sit on the sidelines,"" he observed. Instead of working on the Kashmir issue through the Lashker-e-Taiba, he urged Pakistan to use legal measures to defeat the terrorists. Assimilating the tribal areas legally might also help eliminate a source of tension within Pakistan, he thought. On Afghanistan, he noted that President-elect Obama intended to win the war, and he emphasized that the U.S. considered Pakistan a long-term partner.
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PMLN Party Members Question Evidence
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10. (C) Leader of the Opposition in the National Assembly Chaudry Nasir Ali Khan recalled that by asserting Pakistan's sovereignty during the presidential campaign, McCain had reversed the impression in Pakistan that he would prolong President Bush's policies. Chaudry Nasir highlighted the need for the U.S. to sway public opinion and clarify its stance on the restoration of the judiciary. ""You must decide whether the U.S. wants to fight through cronies or genuine friends,"" he stated. The U.S. has compromised Pakistan's sovereignty and signed a nuclear treaty with India, which has turned sentiment in Pakistan away from the U.S. ""There is an across the board consensus on action, but not until proof is put forward,"" he said. Nasir emphasized that the government can't move without popular support. Senator McCain agreed that public opinion is key.
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McCain Stresses Action
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11. (C) McCain said that he would urge the Indian government to turn over any evidence it has found. ""We are in a race against time,"" he pressed, and warned that military action would cause even greater loss of life. ""The purpose of those attacks was to cause armed conflict between India and Pakistan, and they could succeed,"" he counseled.
12. (C) Comment: Importantly, the Sharifs did not push back against Senator McCain's assertions that the Lashkar-eTaiba was responsible for the Mumbai attacks. The issue will be whether he can take the high road and support a government crackdown on LeT as he did in private.
CLINT TAYLOR
Keywords: cable181951, The India Cables, WikiLeaks, cablegate, Mumbai terror, Nawaz Sharif, Lashkar-e-Taiba, 26/11, cross-border terror
INDIA Govt behind Parliament attack, 26/11: Ishrat probe officer
The officer said that the terror attacks were set up "with the objective of strengthening the counter-terror legislation (sic)".
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...Ishrat-probe-officer/articleshow/21062116.cms
NEW DELHI: In what is certain to escalate the already vicious fight between the CBI and the
lol...........lol...............lol
abey is paagal clerk [hilar][hilar][hilar] ki baat ki kya value isne to thane me report likhai thi ki iski biwi ise roj marti hai [hilar]? tumhara f.i.a. ka d.g . khud investigate kar ke bata chuka hai ki i.s.i. ki madad se lashkar ne bombay par hamla kia hai
lo tumhara prime minister khud kah raha hai .
181951: Pakistanis were involved in Mumbai attacks, says Nawaz Sharif
McCain noted the enormous political pressures Indian leaders faced and urged Pakistan action against Mumbai attacker, Sharif said he recognized that Pakistan faced the same enemy and committed to work against the extremists.
181951 12/9/2008 7:43 08 LAHORE 315 Consulate Lahore CONFIDENTIAL "R 090743Z DEC 08FM AMCONSUL LAHORETO SECSTATE WASHDC 3845INFO AMEMBASSY ISLAMABAD AMCONSUL CHENNAI CIA WASHDCAMEMBASSY KABUL AMCONSUL KARACHI AMCONSUL KOLKATA AMCONSUL MUMBAI AMEMBASSY NEW DELHI AMCONSUL PESHAWAR AMCONSUL LAHORE " "C O N F I D E N T I A L LAHORE 000315
E.O. 12958: DECL: 12/9/2018 TAGS: PGOV, PREL, PTER, IN, PK
SUBJECT: NAWAZ SHARIF TELLS CODEL MCCAIN PAKISTANIS WERE INVOLVED IN MUMBAI
CLASSIFIED BY: Clinton Taylor, Acting Principal Officer, Consulate Lahore, US DoS.
REASON: 1.4 (b), (d)
1. (C) Summary: Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PMLN) leader and former Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif told Senators John McCain and Lindsey Graham December 6 he is convinced Pakistanis were involved in the Mumbai attacks and he would push for strict action against the responsible extremists. Sharif pointed out that he had concluded the Lahore Declaration in 1999 with Indian Prime Minister Atal Vajpayee, and the PMLN has refrained from making India a political issue. McCain noted the enormous political pressures Indian leaders faced and urged Pakistan action against Mumbai attacker, Sharif said he recognized that Pakistan faced the same enemy and committed to work against the extremists. End Summary.
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Nawaz Sharif Upset About U.S. Support for Musharraf
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2. (C) Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PMLN) leader and former Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif told Senators John McCain and Lindsey Graham December 6 that his party has acted responsibly with the ruling Pakistan People's Party (PPP) to fight terrorism. He recounted that former President Pervez Musharraf had exiled both him and PPP leader Benazir Bhutto, and he was ""amazed when President Bush provided his support for a dictator."" His party had supported the PPP government until President Asif Zardari failed to honor his commitment to restore the judges dismissed by Musharraf, at which point the PMLN withdrew from the national government.
3. (C) Nawaz Sharif contrasted his approach to India, in which he had signed the Lahore Declaration with Indian Prime Minister Atal Vajpayee to establish a peaceful path to normalization, to Musharraf's strategy, which brought on the confrontation at Kargil, ""the biggest blunder he committed,"" Sharif said. He boasted that his party has refrained from using India as a political tool. ""We strongly condemned what happened in India, and want the issue to come to an end,"" he stated. ""If there is any concrete evidence, we must take action.""
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McCain Urges Pakistan to Respond Quickly
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4. (C) Senator John McCain underscored that the evidence from the Mumbai attacks indicates the perpetrators came out of Pakistan. ""These are facts,"" he stressed. He described his recent visit to New Delhi, in which he found public opinion ""never more aroused."" ""Unless some concrete steps besides condemning the attacks are taken, you will see concrete action from India,"" he warned. Specific action from Pakistan, such as dismantling the training camps, will allow the U.S. to help defuse the rapidly escalating tension between the two countries and relieve the pressure on India to respond militarily, he offered.
5. (C) Turning to Afghanistan, McCain noted that the U.S. has achieved ""some degree of success against these warring elements."" He worried about the viability of the government in Kabul and President Hamid Karzai's lack of popularity and acceptance throughout the country, and recognized that violence has increased because of the sustained presence of the Taliban. He urged Sharif to support Pakistan to work closely together with the U.S. to confront a ""common enemy.""
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Sharif Says He Recognizes Terrorist Threat to Pakistan
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6. (C) Sharif recounted that during his stints as Prime Minister he offered Pakistan's support for the Gulf War and discussed in great detail with President Clinton how to deal with extremist forces in Afghanistan. ""Who could be more committed to fight against terrorism?"" he asked. The December 5 bomb in Peshawar and the blast at the Marriott Hotel proved that Pakistan also faced a threat. He was aggrieved over the assassination of Benazir Bhutto and he himself had dodged bullets at election rallies. ""The people responsible for Bombay are also operating in Pakistan -- we face those forces here,"" he said. He underlined his commitment to help the government ""eradicate this menace.""
7. (C) Regarding India, Sharif acknowledged the country's anger, but criticized the Indian media for its ""indecent haste"" in blaming Pakistan. But he described how he had listened to the phone call made by one of the attackers and even though the individual claimed he was Indian, Sharif heard a Pakistani accent. ""The people involved were from this country -- I am convinced,"" he stated. ""We must take strictest action against those elements."" Once India produces concrete evidence, ""we should proceed whole hog,"" he declared.
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McCain Urges Action
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8. (C) McCain reiterated that Pakistan must take ""specific steps to calm the situation."" He explained that because India's government answers to the people, it must respond to the voters' demand to take action. He pointed out that economic development and military assistance to Pakistan is essential to help the country fight terrorism. ""I do not want to see a movement in Congress to take measures to reduce assistance,"" he cautioned.
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Graham Stresses Rule of Law
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9. (C) Senator Graham praised the lawyers movement, and said that he saw an ""opportunity for the rule of law to take center stage."" He offered that the international community would look favorably on Pakistan if it took decisive action against the terrorists. ""If India believes that its neighbor is a safe haven for the people who slaughtered its citizens, it cannot sit on the sidelines,"" he observed. Instead of working on the Kashmir issue through the Lashker-e-Taiba, he urged Pakistan to use legal measures to defeat the terrorists. Assimilating the tribal areas legally might also help eliminate a source of tension within Pakistan, he thought. On Afghanistan, he noted that President-elect Obama intended to win the war, and he emphasized that the U.S. considered Pakistan a long-term partner.
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PMLN Party Members Question Evidence
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10. (C) Leader of the Opposition in the National Assembly Chaudry Nasir Ali Khan recalled that by asserting Pakistan's sovereignty during the presidential campaign, McCain had reversed the impression in Pakistan that he would prolong President Bush's policies. Chaudry Nasir highlighted the need for the U.S. to sway public opinion and clarify its stance on the restoration of the judiciary. ""You must decide whether the U.S. wants to fight through cronies or genuine friends,"" he stated. The U.S. has compromised Pakistan's sovereignty and signed a nuclear treaty with India, which has turned sentiment in Pakistan away from the U.S. ""There is an across the board consensus on action, but not until proof is put forward,"" he said. Nasir emphasized that the government can't move without popular support. Senator McCain agreed that public opinion is key.
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McCain Stresses Action
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11. (C) McCain said that he would urge the Indian government to turn over any evidence it has found. ""We are in a race against time,"" he pressed, and warned that military action would cause even greater loss of life. ""The purpose of those attacks was to cause armed conflict between India and Pakistan, and they could succeed,"" he counseled.
12. (C) Comment: Importantly, the Sharifs did not push back against Senator McCain's assertions that the Lashkar-eTaiba was responsible for the Mumbai attacks. The issue will be whether he can take the high road and support a government crackdown on LeT as he did in private.
CLINT TAYLOR
Keywords: cable181951, The India Cables, WikiLeaks, cablegate, Mumbai terror, Nawaz Sharif, Lashkar-e-Taiba, 26/11, cross-border terror
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kesariya
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Re: Ex-French President Nicolas Sarkozy's Message to Pakistan
ha ha ha .............zaida laal topi ka ilaaj karwa paaagalkhane me nahi to tu bhi paagal ho jayega ....................[hilar][hilar][hilar]
yeh dekh pakistan ka most respected investigator kya kahta hai .D.G OF F.I.A PAKISTAN ADMITS PAKISTAN DID 26/11
ha ha ha .............zaida laal topi ka ilaaj karwa paaagalkhane me nahi to tu bhi paagal ho jayega ....................[hilar][hilar][hilar]
yeh dekh pakistan ka most respected investigator kya kahta hai .D.G OF F.I.A PAKISTAN ADMITS PAKISTAN DID 26/11
[h=1]Mumbai attacks trial[/h]TARIQ KHOSA — UPDATED AUG 03, 2015 09:43AM
The writer is former DG, FIA.
THE Mumbai terror attacks were claimed by India to be its 9/11. For more than 66 hours, 10 highly trained militants played havoc in India’s commercial metropolis, spraying bullets and shedding the blood of innocent civilians and tourists in November 2008, bringing the two nuclear neighbours to the brink of an all-out war.
In Ufa, Russia on July 10, 2015, both the prime ministers of Pakistan and India were “prepared to discuss all outstanding issues,” and both the leaders “condemned terrorism in all its forms” and agreed to cooperate with each other “to eliminate this menace from South Asia”. Therefore, we in Pakistan should welcome this development wholeheartedly.
Didn’t we suffer the pain and agony of our own 9/11 on Dec 16, 2014, at the hands of the Tehreek-i-Taliban Pakistan and its surrogates and aren’t we as a nation determined to root out terrorism in all its forms from our soil? The answer is obviously a resounding yes and I have no doubt that the political and security leadership have resolved to eliminate the scourge of terrorism, militancy and extremism through the counterterrorism National Action Plan. The duality and distinction between good and bad Taliban, including all militants and terrorists, should stand removed from Miramshah to Muridke, from Karachi to Quetta.
Against this backdrop, the agreement between PMs Sharif and Modi in Ufa to approve the meeting of their national security advisers to “discuss all issues related to terrorism” was a welcome development. Pakistan’s concerns in respect of the botched investigation into the Samjhauta Express bombing and alleged covert support to the Baloch insurgency as well as reported ‘terror financing’ both in Karachi and Fata by Indian and other foreign agencies should not only be highlighted but concrete evidence presented to put a stop to such means of non-kinetic warfare resorted to by sleuths from both sides to further their so-called national interests.
There are very knowledgeable and competent professionals with investigation and intelligence background in Pakistan who can meet the Indian security officials and talk as professionals. They too have many skeletons in their cupboards. So why fight shy? Let both India and Pakistan admit their mistakes and follies and learn to co-exist while trying to find solutions to their thorny issues through peaceful means.
Pakistan has to deal with the Mumbai mayhem, planned and launched from its soil. This requires facing the truth and admitting mistakes. The entire state security apparatus must ensure that the perpetrators and masterminds of the ghastly terror attacks are brought to justice. The case has lingered on for far too long. Dilatory tactics by the defendants, frequent change of trial judges, and assassination of the case prosecutor as well as retracting from original testimony by some key witnesses have been serious setbacks for the prosecutors. However, cognizance was taken by the Islamabad High Court which directed the trial to be concluded within two months.
The following facts are pertinent. First, Ajmal Kasab was a Pakistani national, whose place of residence and initial schooling as well as his joining a banned militant organisation was established by the investigators. Second, the Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) terrorists were imparted training near Thatta, Sindh and launched by sea from there. The training camp was identified and secured by the investigators. The casings of the explosive devices used in Mumbai were recovered from this training camp and duly matched. Third, the fishing trawler used by the terrorists for hijacking an Indian trawler in which they sailed to Mumbai, was brought back to harbour, then painted and concealed. It was recovered by the investigators and connected to the accused. Fourth, the engine of the dinghy abandoned by the terrorists near Mumbai harbour contained a patent number through which the investigators traced its import from Japan to Lahore and then to a Karachi sports shop from where an LeT-linked militant purchased it along with the dinghy. The money trail was followed and linked to the accused who was arrested. Fifth, the ops room in Karachi, from where the operation was directed, was also identified and secured by the investigators. The communications through Voice over Internet Protocol were unearthed. Sixth, the alleged commander and his deputies were identified and arrested. Seventh, a couple of foreign-based financiers and facilitators were arrested and brought to face trial.
After an exchange of multiple investigation dossiers with the Indian police authorities, the trial court was requested to give approval to obtain voice samples of the alleged commander and his deputies for comparison with the recorded voices. The court ruled that the consent of the accused should be obtained. Obviously, the suspects refused. Then a plea was submitted before the sessions court to authorise the investigators to take the voice samples despite the lack of consent. The plea was denied on account of there being no such provision in the Evidence Act or the antiterrorism law applicable at that time. The investigators then went in appeal before the High Court. That appeal, I believe, is still pending. The Fair Trial Act, 2013 caters for admissibility of such technical evidence. However, its application with retrospective effect is a moot point.
The Mumbai case is quite unique: one incident with two jurisdictions and two trials. While the Indians managed to nab Ajmal Kasab and were able to obtain his confession to close the trial, proving conspiracy in a different jurisdiction is more complex and requires a far superior quality of evidence. Therefore, the legal experts from both sides need to sit together rather than sulk and point fingers.
Indian interlocutors, engaged during the talks between the then prime ministers of India and Pakistan in Egypt in 2009, had conceded that the Pakistani investigators had done a professional job in the indictment of seven perpetrators of the attack. However, the Pakistani authorities should not forget that the FIA declared various other facilitators and operatives as fugitives in the case. The trial will not be over with the disposal of those under arrest or on bail. Other missing links need to be uncovered after the absconders’ arrest.
This case will not be over soon.
Are we as a nation prepared to muster the courage to face uncomfortable truths and combat the demons of militancy that haunt our land? That is the question!
The writer is former DG, FIA.
Published in Dawn, August 3rd, 2015
THE Mumbai terror attacks were claimed by India to be its 9/11. For more than 66 hours, 10 highly trained militants played havoc in India’s commercial metropolis, spraying bullets and shedding the blood of innocent civilians and tourists in November 2008, bringing the two nuclear neighbours to the brink of an all-out war.
In Ufa, Russia on July 10, 2015, both the prime ministers of Pakistan and India were “prepared to discuss all outstanding issues,” and both the leaders “condemned terrorism in all its forms” and agreed to cooperate with each other “to eliminate this menace from South Asia”. Therefore, we in Pakistan should welcome this development wholeheartedly.
Didn’t we suffer the pain and agony of our own 9/11 on Dec 16, 2014, at the hands of the Tehreek-i-Taliban Pakistan and its surrogates and aren’t we as a nation determined to root out terrorism in all its forms from our soil? The answer is obviously a resounding yes and I have no doubt that the political and security leadership have resolved to eliminate the scourge of terrorism, militancy and extremism through the counterterrorism National Action Plan. The duality and distinction between good and bad Taliban, including all militants and terrorists, should stand removed from Miramshah to Muridke, from Karachi to Quetta.
Against this backdrop, the agreement between PMs Sharif and Modi in Ufa to approve the meeting of their national security advisers to “discuss all issues related to terrorism” was a welcome development. Pakistan’s concerns in respect of the botched investigation into the Samjhauta Express bombing and alleged covert support to the Baloch insurgency as well as reported ‘terror financing’ both in Karachi and Fata by Indian and other foreign agencies should not only be highlighted but concrete evidence presented to put a stop to such means of non-kinetic warfare resorted to by sleuths from both sides to further their so-called national interests.
There are very knowledgeable and competent professionals with investigation and intelligence background in Pakistan who can meet the Indian security officials and talk as professionals. They too have many skeletons in their cupboards. So why fight shy? Let both India and Pakistan admit their mistakes and follies and learn to co-exist while trying to find solutions to their thorny issues through peaceful means.
Pakistan has to deal with the Mumbai mayhem, planned and launched from its soil. This requires facing the truth and admitting mistakes. The entire state security apparatus must ensure that the perpetrators and masterminds of the ghastly terror attacks are brought to justice. The case has lingered on for far too long. Dilatory tactics by the defendants, frequent change of trial judges, and assassination of the case prosecutor as well as retracting from original testimony by some key witnesses have been serious setbacks for the prosecutors. However, cognizance was taken by the Islamabad High Court which directed the trial to be concluded within two months.
The following facts are pertinent. First, Ajmal Kasab was a Pakistani national, whose place of residence and initial schooling as well as his joining a banned militant organisation was established by the investigators. Second, the Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) terrorists were imparted training near Thatta, Sindh and launched by sea from there. The training camp was identified and secured by the investigators. The casings of the explosive devices used in Mumbai were recovered from this training camp and duly matched. Third, the fishing trawler used by the terrorists for hijacking an Indian trawler in which they sailed to Mumbai, was brought back to harbour, then painted and concealed. It was recovered by the investigators and connected to the accused. Fourth, the engine of the dinghy abandoned by the terrorists near Mumbai harbour contained a patent number through which the investigators traced its import from Japan to Lahore and then to a Karachi sports shop from where an LeT-linked militant purchased it along with the dinghy. The money trail was followed and linked to the accused who was arrested. Fifth, the ops room in Karachi, from where the operation was directed, was also identified and secured by the investigators. The communications through Voice over Internet Protocol were unearthed. Sixth, the alleged commander and his deputies were identified and arrested. Seventh, a couple of foreign-based financiers and facilitators were arrested and brought to face trial.
After an exchange of multiple investigation dossiers with the Indian police authorities, the trial court was requested to give approval to obtain voice samples of the alleged commander and his deputies for comparison with the recorded voices. The court ruled that the consent of the accused should be obtained. Obviously, the suspects refused. Then a plea was submitted before the sessions court to authorise the investigators to take the voice samples despite the lack of consent. The plea was denied on account of there being no such provision in the Evidence Act or the antiterrorism law applicable at that time. The investigators then went in appeal before the High Court. That appeal, I believe, is still pending. The Fair Trial Act, 2013 caters for admissibility of such technical evidence. However, its application with retrospective effect is a moot point.
The Mumbai case is quite unique: one incident with two jurisdictions and two trials. While the Indians managed to nab Ajmal Kasab and were able to obtain his confession to close the trial, proving conspiracy in a different jurisdiction is more complex and requires a far superior quality of evidence. Therefore, the legal experts from both sides need to sit together rather than sulk and point fingers.
Indian interlocutors, engaged during the talks between the then prime ministers of India and Pakistan in Egypt in 2009, had conceded that the Pakistani investigators had done a professional job in the indictment of seven perpetrators of the attack. However, the Pakistani authorities should not forget that the FIA declared various other facilitators and operatives as fugitives in the case. The trial will not be over with the disposal of those under arrest or on bail. Other missing links need to be uncovered after the absconders’ arrest.
This case will not be over soon.
Are we as a nation prepared to muster the courage to face uncomfortable truths and combat the demons of militancy that haunt our land? That is the question!
The writer is former DG, FIA.
Published in Dawn, August 3rd, 2015
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Re: Ex-French President Nicolas Sarkozy's Message to Pakistan
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INDIA Govt behind Parliament attack, 26/11: Ishrat probe officer
The officer said that the terror attacks were set up "with the objective of strengthening the counter-terror legislation (sic)".
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/i...w/21062116.cms
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INDIA Govt behind Parliament attack, 26/11: Ishrat probe officer
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/i...w/21062116.cms
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Re: Ex-French President Nicolas Sarkozy's Message to Pakistan
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Mumbai attacks trial
TARIQ KHOSA — UPDATED AUG 03, 2015 09:43AM
The writer is former DG, FIA.
THE Mumbai terror attacks were claimed by India to be its 9/11. For more than 66 hours, 10 highly trained militants played havoc in India’s commercial metropolis, spraying bullets and shedding the blood of innocent civilians and tourists in November 2008, bringing the two nuclear neighbours to the brink of an all-out war.
In Ufa, Russia on July 10, 2015, both the prime ministers of Pakistan and India were “prepared to discuss all outstanding issues,” and both the leaders “condemned terrorism in all its forms” and agreed to cooperate with each other “to eliminate this menace from South Asia”. Therefore, we in Pakistan should welcome this development wholeheartedly.
Didn’t we suffer the pain and agony of our own 9/11 on Dec 16, 2014, at the hands of the Tehreek-i-Taliban Pakistan and its surrogates and aren’t we as a nation determined to root out terrorism in all its forms from our soil? The answer is obviously a resounding yes and I have no doubt that the political and security leadership have resolved to eliminate the scourge of terrorism, militancy and extremism through the counterterrorism National Action Plan. The duality and distinction between good and bad Taliban, including all militants and terrorists, should stand removed from Miramshah to Muridke, from Karachi to Quetta.
Against this backdrop, the agreement between PMs Sharif and Modi in Ufa to approve the meeting of their national security advisers to “discuss all issues related to terrorism” was a welcome development. Pakistan’s concerns in respect of the botched investigation into the Samjhauta Express bombing and alleged covert support to the Baloch insurgency as well as reported ‘terror financing’ both in Karachi and Fata by Indian and other foreign agencies should not only be highlighted but concrete evidence presented to put a stop to such means of non-kinetic warfare resorted to by sleuths from both sides to further their so-called national interests.
There are very knowledgeable and competent professionals with investigation and intelligence background in Pakistan who can meet the Indian security officials and talk as professionals. They too have many skeletons in their cupboards. So why fight shy? Let both India and Pakistan admit their mistakes and follies and learn to co-exist while trying to find solutions to their thorny issues through peaceful means.
Pakistan has to deal with the Mumbai mayhem, planned and launched from its soil. This requires facing the truth and admitting mistakes. The entire state security apparatus must ensure that the perpetrators and masterminds of the ghastly terror attacks are brought to justice. The case has lingered on for far too long. Dilatory tactics by the defendants, frequent change of trial judges, and assassination of the case prosecutor as well as retracting from original testimony by some key witnesses have been serious setbacks for the prosecutors. However, cognizance was taken by the Islamabad High Court which directed the trial to be concluded within two months.
The following facts are pertinent. First, Ajmal Kasab was a Pakistani national, whose place of residence and initial schooling as well as his joining a banned militant organisation was established by the investigators. Second, the Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) terrorists were imparted training near Thatta, Sindh and launched by sea from there. The training camp was identified and secured by the investigators. The casings of the explosive devices used in Mumbai were recovered from this training camp and duly matched. Third, the fishing trawler used by the terrorists for hijacking an Indian trawler in which they sailed to Mumbai, was brought back to harbour, then painted and concealed. It was recovered by the investigators and connected to the accused. Fourth, the engine of the dinghy abandoned by the terrorists near Mumbai harbour contained a patent number through which the investigators traced its import from Japan to Lahore and then to a Karachi sports shop from where an LeT-linked militant purchased it along with the dinghy. The money trail was followed and linked to the accused who was arrested. Fifth, the ops room in Karachi, from where the operation was directed, was also identified and secured by the investigators. The communications through Voice over Internet Protocol were unearthed. Sixth, the alleged commander and his deputies were identified and arrested. Seventh, a couple of foreign-based financiers and facilitators were arrested and brought to face trial.
After an exchange of multiple investigation dossiers with the Indian police authorities, the trial court was requested to give approval to obtain voice samples of the alleged commander and his deputies for comparison with the recorded voices. The court ruled that the consent of the accused should be obtained. Obviously, the suspects refused. Then a plea was submitted before the sessions court to authorise the investigators to take the voice samples despite the lack of consent. The plea was denied on account of there being no such provision in the Evidence Act or the antiterrorism law applicable at that time. The investigators then went in appeal before the High Court. That appeal, I believe, is still pending. The Fair Trial Act, 2013 caters for admissibility of such technical evidence. However, its application with retrospective effect is a moot point.
The Mumbai case is quite unique: one incident with two jurisdictions and two trials. While the Indians managed to nab Ajmal Kasab and were able to obtain his confession to close the trial, proving conspiracy in a different jurisdiction is more complex and requires a far superior quality of evidence. Therefore, the legal experts from both sides need to sit together rather than sulk and point fingers.
Indian interlocutors, engaged during the talks between the then prime ministers of India and Pakistan in Egypt in 2009, had conceded that the Pakistani investigators had done a professional job in the indictment of seven perpetrators of the attack. However, the Pakistani authorities should not forget that the FIA declared various other facilitators and operatives as fugitives in the case. The trial will not be over with the disposal of those under arrest or on bail. Other missing links need to be uncovered after the absconders’ arrest.
This case will not be over soon.
Are we as a nation prepared to muster the courage to face uncomfortable truths and combat the demons of militancy that haunt our land? That is the question!
The writer is former DG, FIA.
Published in Dawn, August 3rd, 2015
