Pak Army Par Tanqeed Darust Nahi Editorial By Daily Jang !!
Truth-seeker
Councller (250+ posts)
True but only to this extent that we should not paint the whole lot with the same brush,good and bad we have in all institutions.
moodali
MPA (400+ posts)
Agar itne bade bade incidents ke baad bhi hamri forces ne apne andar chhupe hoye black sheeps ko nahi pakra to phir unhain apne ooper har qisam ki tanqeed ke liye tayyar rehna chahiye. Aaj forces ki baari hai uske baad adliya ka number bhi aye ga kiyon ke hamre institutions woh kaam properly nahi kar rahe hain jo ke unko karne chahiyen.
abbasiali
Minister (2k+ posts)
Talking logic and sense is counted as "TANQEED" amazing.............we are not anti army, this is a asset which Pakistan has build with a lot of efforts, we are talking about their unjustified perks and privileges, we are talking about authorities grabbed by their Generals in past and they are misusing against poor Pakistani..........so where is tanqeed.........face the reality and be remain in limits, this is a demand only, believe on equality and remain equal as all common Pakistanis do. last but not least do deliver for which you are hired and provided perks & privileges.
Star Gazer
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
It is amazing how some of te members want to have their cake and it too!
On one hand they are critisizing the role of the Army Generals in the past when they took decisions to do things which the governement of the time was refusing to do and on the other hand the same members are critisizing the Armed forces currently for not doing the right thing although the governemnt is not ordering the Army to do so, apparently now it is okayto take decisions disregarding the civilian governemnt or is it just playing into some one elses hands?
This only shows the confusion that we have in our minds regarding what we want. If we take an action then it has to be justified and responsibility is to be placed at some one's shoulders. It is SO easy to sit back in your chair and give sermons as to what coulda/woulda/shoulda been done but at the same time the writers are not showing the responsibility of being clear in their approach to the problem.
If one soldier's mistake is to be generalized over the whole institution then it shows lack of understanding and that is dangerous. By the same token then all the politicians should be blamed, and all the lawyers should e blamed and all the teachers should be blamed, ad all the PIA staff should be blamed, and all the WAPDA should be blamed and all Pakistanis should be blamed, and all indians should be blamed.
My sincere advise is " Stop generalizing and start to be specific, you will do your self and every body else a lot of good."
Genarlized statements are political when one does not want to committ, so show some back bone.
On one hand they are critisizing the role of the Army Generals in the past when they took decisions to do things which the governement of the time was refusing to do and on the other hand the same members are critisizing the Armed forces currently for not doing the right thing although the governemnt is not ordering the Army to do so, apparently now it is okayto take decisions disregarding the civilian governemnt or is it just playing into some one elses hands?
This only shows the confusion that we have in our minds regarding what we want. If we take an action then it has to be justified and responsibility is to be placed at some one's shoulders. It is SO easy to sit back in your chair and give sermons as to what coulda/woulda/shoulda been done but at the same time the writers are not showing the responsibility of being clear in their approach to the problem.
If one soldier's mistake is to be generalized over the whole institution then it shows lack of understanding and that is dangerous. By the same token then all the politicians should be blamed, and all the lawyers should e blamed and all the teachers should be blamed, ad all the PIA staff should be blamed, and all the WAPDA should be blamed and all Pakistanis should be blamed, and all indians should be blamed.
My sincere advise is " Stop generalizing and start to be specific, you will do your self and every body else a lot of good."
Genarlized statements are political when one does not want to committ, so show some back bone.
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abbasiali
Minister (2k+ posts)
I am amazed to see members, who are still not believing to have a correct role of Army, every one learn, so do we, however why not to demand to have every institution to remain in their limits specially Army, they have done enough, now it is time for them to go back in to the barracks and do their jobs, do justify their perks and privileges which they are obtaining by force over common Pakistanis in the name of defense against India.........lolzzzzzzzzz
M Ali Khan
Minister (2k+ posts)
Tehreek e Namoos e ISI
by Hakim Hazik |
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When reprobates like Syed Salim Shahzad start casting aspersions on the holiest of all the Ummah institutions, we cannot just sit back and watch. We have to take action which is timely, purposeful and shows our determination to uphold the honour and the glory of the Ummah
A vicious campaign has been launched to malign the mother of all agencies and against the father of all strategic deterrents. We must fight with determination to protect both. We must start with eating grass and move swiftly to snakes and lizards, with which the Almighty has blessed this land of bounty.
We have to forego the tainted crusader dollars that we receive from the Americans. These infidels have always been our enemies, since the times of Abu Jahal. We should try and develop our own indigenous stone technology so that we can tie them to our midriffs and also the grass technology so that we can feed high quality Sharia compatible Islamic grass to our children.
We can never prosper with the Nazarene dollars. We can only prosper with the brotherly Communist Yuans and the wholesome Wahhabi Riyals. We should not extend the begging bowl to the Americans. This is against the national honour. Instead, we should sell our children to the pious, God fearing, Gulf sheikhs for camel races. The sheikhs are our brothers in Islam. The camels are our brothers in Islam.
The Servitor General has made a start in the Punjab Province. He has returned all the dollars meant for education and health. What good is health and education if it is received at the cost of national honour? These are exciting times. Very soon, the doors of Jati Umrah will be thrown open to the professors who are experts in the Nizami curriculum, including the art of disemboweling the enemies of Islam and advanced medical practices developed by Galen and Avicenna which centre on (indigenous) grass based technologies.
When reprobates like Syed Salim Shahzad start casting aspersions on the holiest of all the Ummah institutions, we can not just sit back and watch. We have to take action which is timely, purposeful and shows our determination to uphold the honour and the glory of the Ummah.
The mission, by the grace of God has been very successful. It is the greatest victory for the Ummah since the battle of the Okara Farms. This time, it started with hobnailed boots applied, with judicious force, to the thoracic cage of the enemy and subsequently, to the endocrine glands of the mobile phone operator. It allowed a rapid diminution of the threat to national security and erasure of the pernicious telephone records. A resounding victory was won for the upholders of the True Faith.
This will teach the whole world, not to trifle with the basic tenets of our faith and the essential pillars of our identity. This will teach them not to take the name of the Lord God, the Creator of the Universe, in vain. This will teach them not to take the name of the Director General in vain. Verily, we believe in the Unity of Command which has no partner and a Minimum Strategic Deterrent.
We cannot allow any foreign power to interfere with our sovereign right to slit our own throats.
Hakim Hazik blogs at justicedeniedpk.com
by Hakim Hazik |
| | When reprobates like Syed Salim Shahzad start casting aspersions on the holiest of all the Ummah institutions, we cannot just sit back and watch. We have to take action which is timely, purposeful and shows our determination to uphold the honour and the glory of the Ummah
We have to forego the tainted crusader dollars that we receive from the Americans. These infidels have always been our enemies, since the times of Abu Jahal. We should try and develop our own indigenous stone technology so that we can tie them to our midriffs and also the grass technology so that we can feed high quality Sharia compatible Islamic grass to our children.
We can never prosper with the Nazarene dollars. We can only prosper with the brotherly Communist Yuans and the wholesome Wahhabi Riyals. We should not extend the begging bowl to the Americans. This is against the national honour. Instead, we should sell our children to the pious, God fearing, Gulf sheikhs for camel races. The sheikhs are our brothers in Islam. The camels are our brothers in Islam.
The Servitor General has made a start in the Punjab Province. He has returned all the dollars meant for education and health. What good is health and education if it is received at the cost of national honour? These are exciting times. Very soon, the doors of Jati Umrah will be thrown open to the professors who are experts in the Nizami curriculum, including the art of disemboweling the enemies of Islam and advanced medical practices developed by Galen and Avicenna which centre on (indigenous) grass based technologies.
When reprobates like Syed Salim Shahzad start casting aspersions on the holiest of all the Ummah institutions, we can not just sit back and watch. We have to take action which is timely, purposeful and shows our determination to uphold the honour and the glory of the Ummah.
The mission, by the grace of God has been very successful. It is the greatest victory for the Ummah since the battle of the Okara Farms. This time, it started with hobnailed boots applied, with judicious force, to the thoracic cage of the enemy and subsequently, to the endocrine glands of the mobile phone operator. It allowed a rapid diminution of the threat to national security and erasure of the pernicious telephone records. A resounding victory was won for the upholders of the True Faith.
This will teach the whole world, not to trifle with the basic tenets of our faith and the essential pillars of our identity. This will teach them not to take the name of the Lord God, the Creator of the Universe, in vain. This will teach them not to take the name of the Director General in vain. Verily, we believe in the Unity of Command which has no partner and a Minimum Strategic Deterrent.
We cannot allow any foreign power to interfere with our sovereign right to slit our own throats.
Hakim Hazik blogs at justicedeniedpk.com
canadian
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Saturday, June 11, 2011
This is the time to stand with Our Army…!
What was the number of terrorists in Mumbai attacks no one has been able to claim with sure. According to Indian officials, they were 10 in number. If we accept Indian claim, 2 men in the Taj Hotel gave tough time to a Brigade of Indian army of 78 hours. In order to record the operational activity of Indian army at least 200 cameras of Indian and international TV channels were installed but no one was allowed to capture the scenes. Not only this India had not disclosed the recording of security cameras installed in Taj hotel. However only 2 state TV channels were allowed to record some of the scenes while only screened and specially clips of this recording were issued to media. Utilizing these clips Indian media started propaganda campaign against Pakistan and ISI.
From the sound of first bullet Indian channels has started their Breaking News by blaming Pakistan and ISI (as terrorists before the attacks informed them). On the midnight of 4th day of the attacks while Indian soldiers were riding into their trucks to return back, garlands were presented to t hem and people to praise them chanted slogans. While during all this local media of Mumbai, journalists and people were raising their protests that Mumbai attacks were staged to kill Chief of ATS Hemant Karkare and his team. According to them this attack was mutually planned by Indian Army, RAW and RSS. So that terrorists like on duty Indian army officers Colonel Purohit and extremists from Hindu groups could be saved as Hemant Karkare had not only arrested them but also succeeded in getting confession from them in court that they were involved in terrorist attacks like Samjhota Express and other bomb blasts. However Indian army succeeded in successfully disposing off Hemant Karkare by winning the support of Indian public through the support of Indian media and effective propaganda campaign.
In contrast to this when on the night of 22 May terrorists attacked Mehran Airbase of Pakistan Navy, dozen of channels arrived at the spot and telecasted live videos by zooming in. they were not only discussing the movements of troops but identity of the regiments as well and they were telling that on this building commandoes are being dropped through helicopter. On the other hand anchorpersons sitting in their studios were raising questions over capability of Pakistan army. Every channel was busy in criticizing Pakistan armed forces. No one raised this point that if their camera can cover the movements in the night through zoom in than why in normal situation any terrorist cannot record the movements within the PNS Mehran from roofs of adjacent houses or windows? Cannot such recordings be used by terrorists to plan the attacks and send them to his control room in their headquarter. So that after watching these recordings terrorists can chose weak point of security and chose proper time for attack.
Our TV channels focused on a search light that it is out of order while the other was destroyed by terrorists by firing bullets, but no one dared to point out that when the area out of the boundary of PNS Mehran is dark due to load -shedding for 1, 1 hour, than has govt. made any policy to tackle this? Leaving PNS Mehran aside in all the cities there are thousands of such sensitive installations, which are drowned into the dark of night due to load-shedding. Alas! Any journalist had time to inform people that how many armed departments have alternate solution to load shedding or constant supply of heavy diesel for heavy duty generators? If the sensitive areas lightened inside while outwards are covered by dark will not this situation be suitable for attackers?
Ok lets accept that there was no external security outside Mehran Airbase, which is not possible as Pakistan does not have extra security of 10 hundred thousand persons to watch these sensitive installations from outside (while same anchorpersons are always objecting the presence of Pakistan army at all and defense budget). 10-12 hours passed to get control over these terrorists, but the question is how rocket launchers, grenade, and other latest weapons arrived into Mehran, who is responsible to check this on the way, Lineman of WAPDA, meter reader of gas, plumber of water board or postal worker of post? If all this is responsibility of army or ISI than why should not end all those departments taking pays in the name of enforcement of law? Whole country is filled with illegal weapons to such extent that people murder in front of judge within the court and walk away calm fully while no one dares to stop them or question them. In spite of all this we are not ready to accept the we are at the verge of not only economic but social collapse as well. Actually daily murders in the form of target killing, increasing crimes and suicide bomb blasts had made us senseless to our surroundings. Other wise how is it possible that a terrorist is living within my neighborhood and I am unaware of their suspicious activities? If I know all this and does not inform security agencies than either I don’t have trust over Police or I am coward, in both situations govt. and overall social structure is responsible for this. Otherwise if a brothel house is opened in any Mohallah or Bungalow Police Touts arrive there to take the bribe than how is this possible that terrorists move around with rocket launchers and Police is unaware of this?
The reality is that Pakistani forces and ISI are in complete battle situation internally due to American interests in Afghanistan. In this war their secret agencies are also busy in this complex war. This war is not against formal enemy on the boundaries but against well trained gorilla force, our enemies are not only providing this force with latest weapons but with the dollars and man power. While in such critical situation Pakistani media is also attacking Pakistan army and ISI. Not only this factors unhappy with the timely intervention of Pakistan army in political problems (when politicians are about to sell this country), are also taking their revenge. Without taking this in mind that this propaganda campaign against Pakistan army will result in lost of trust of Pakistani people on army, this will at once decrease the morale of Pakistan army effecting the soldiers busy in fighting against enemies on the battle front. Are we aware of its results? Perhaps not and I am sure that majority of anchor persons criticizing Pakistan army just to earn easy money are not aware of the results as well but our enemy understands this. That when morale of the army is destroyed, soldiers are criticized in spite of all of their sacrifices of lives, than army facing enemy like unbreakable wall breaks from inside.
Look at the dreadful murder of journalist Saleem Shahzad, some anchorpersons are claiming that he has been assassinated by ISI. Because he was about to unveil the links between terrorists attacking Mehran base and Navy officials and in this regard one of his episodes had been already published. Now if we accept this hypothesis that attackers were supported within the Navy than who will answer this question that why terrorists ignored Lynx Sea King (Anti-Submarine aircraft), Alleolte, latest Atlantic helicopters, new and costly airplane of Naval Chief HBC Jet and airplanes of Pakistan Airforce but they just targeted Orion EC3 airplanes, but at least why? Has destruction of these airplanes is loss of only Pakistan Navy? No! this is a serious blow to our defense. This has deprived us of our superiority against Indian nuclear sub-marines.
Look at the unique aspect of above mentioned secret war imposed over Pakistan, that how much cleverly such situation has been created that our soldiers are facing enemies, sacrificing their lives but in spite of all this they are being trialed and criticized. Media is demanding answers politically of purely battle related incidents. While politicians are showing such unresponsiveness as they want to tell public, “they have no link with this war, it is a war of army and soldiers and only they should face it”, (because they have not time from political battle for power and conspiracies).
Here I would like to mention article written by B. Ramin Ex-Chief of Indian secret agency RAW now working Director of Institute for Tropical Studies, Chennai (think tank of RAW). This article was published online on 1 June, the title of the article is sufficient to unveil the hidden propaganda and poisonous message behind this article of 19 paragraphs. The title of above mentioned article is
“Was Saleem Shahzad On Trial of ISI Men Behind OBI’s Stay At Abbottabad”
It is apparent that Shahzad was killed either because of what he reported in his dispatch of May 27 regarding the penetration of the Navy by Al Qaeda or because of what he intended reporting about the training camps of the 303 Brigade.
Thus both the ISI and the 303 Brigade had a common motive for having him eliminated. Was their decision to eliminate him only related to his story on the Mehran attack or was there more to it? Whoever took the decision to eliminate him was in a desperate hurry. He was kidnapped within 43 hours of the first part being published. He would have most probably dispatched the second part in the week beginning May 30. His captors wanted to do away with him before that.
Well-informed contacts in the Pakistani Police say that his kidnapping and murder were related not only to his investigation into the Mehran attack, but also his investigation into the local support base of OBL which facilitated his undetected stay for over five years at Abbottabad. His investigations post-May 2 were dangerously moving that direction. His discovery of the penetration of the Navy by Al Qaeda was only the first step in his investigation. According to these police sources, he was digging deeper into OBL’s support base.
In the end I would like to write something about Orion EC3 airplanes; the sensitive instruments installed in these planes were not only capable of detecting and recording in the depth of sea, sea surface but also to detect and observe the movements on ground, moreover these planes were capable of recording conversations between enemies. According to a Russian online news website, one day before destruction these planes have recorded American activities in Baluchistan along with their conversation. Before that Pakistan Navy had decoded the recording and got informed about American plans and made Americans ashamed like that of Raymond Davis, so both planes were destroyed by terrorists. According to the website one terrorist who was killed on spot had a tattoo engraved over his arm, while there is no such fashion in sub-continent or Afghanistan. However due to Russian affect youth from Tajikistan and Uzbekistan get such tattoos engraved, if this is true than Indian role behind attack over Mehran Base should be kept in mind. India has already taken Farkhor Airbase on lease in Tajikistan 2 miles away from Uzbekistan border and converted it into a terrorists training camp. Here poor youth from Uzbekistan and Tajikistan are trained for Gorilla warfare and later sent to Pakistan. Than was the attack over Mehran base a mutual plan of India and USA? This secret might remain secret for long time
Star Gazer
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Still no clear answer,just a lot of generalizations with a lot of words!
