One simple question to the modern civilized world.

mian_ssg

Senator (1k+ posts)
So called "Terrorists" AKA "Taliban" in Afghanistan has FORGIVEN ALL after winning the war.

Their enemies bombed their homes, killed their families and kids, many of them extradited to Guantanamo (majority of them who survived returned proven not guilty) carpet bombed their entire localities and forced them to stay away from their families from the past 20 years.

To the cultured world, just one simple question. Can they show just one similar example of forgiveness (with a background of such atrocities) from their recent past i.e. the time when they became civilized. I want to follow their footsteps of kindness and humanity.
 

arifkarim

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
So called "Terrorists" AKA "Taliban" in Afghanistan has FORGIVEN ALL after winning the war.

Their enemies bombed their homes, killed their families and kids, many of them extradited to Guantanamo (majority of them who survived returned proven not guilty) carpet bombed their entire localities and forced them to stay away from their families from the past 20 years.

To the cultured world, just one simple question. Can they show just one similar example of forgiveness (with a background of such atrocities) from their recent past i.e. the time when they became civilized. I want to follow their footsteps of kindness and humanity.
Yes after WW2, European countries forgave each other, especially Germany for destroying the continent twice
 

optimist_

Voter (50+ posts)
So called "Terrorists" AKA "Taliban" in Afghanistan has FORGIVEN ALL after winning the war.

Their enemies bombed their homes, killed their families and kids, many of them extradited to Guantanamo (majority of them who survived returned proven not guilty) carpet bombed their entire localities and forced them to stay away from their families from the past 20 years.

To the cultured world, just one simple question. Can they show just one similar example of forgiveness (with a background of such atrocities) from their recent past i.e. the time when they became civilized. I want to follow their footsteps of kindness and humanity.
You are 200% correct - recent past just show the destruction they caused where ever they went to create PEACE.

But they telling themselves what a great job they have done. Such a hypocrite so called civilised society!
 

karachiwala

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Yes after WW2, European countries forgave each other, especially Germany for destroying the continent twice
Germany is still paying billions to the Jews (israhel) and specially every family member of any holocaust member (the number of 6 million is made up)
 

Eyeaan

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Yes after WW2, European countries forgave each other, especially Germany for destroying the continent twice
??Nuremburg trials and holocausts hunt, trials and assassinations still going on in the 1990s? About revenge, American soldiers slaughtered thousands of German prisoners of war after it ended - many time for fun fest and for torture - pushed them alive over the hills . That is the saddest chapter of WWII - simply horrifying!! there are books and ample US military documents regarding this . US soldier's conduct has been un-professional through out its history. I absolutely don't get why have you presented this as an example while this can be used as an opposite!!!.
Do you know about financial and territorial liabilities imposed on Germany after both wars - in spite of paltry Marshal plan - read some good book written by Germans . Officially Germany is still under occupation with limited defense rights - which now rather have become beneficial to Germany and Trump wanted to change that.
However, comparing with Russian, Germans, and American soldiers, the behavior of British soldiers was better with prisoners but you cannot make it an example either.
Yes, later to counter socialists and USSR, American conspired to bring back ex-Nazis to promote right wing politics and to form a armed threat - Ex-Nazi criminals was back to rule but not out of compassion but to raise a new resistance and race politics against Russians; however it is said that money interests of a few was main impetus to empower ex-Nazis - that is unending debate.
What happened to Germans and collaboratives in eastern European nations/by Russian. that's a different tale of cruelty altogether. I think starvation was main cause of death. Detail military data is scares in this regards to know its veracity
 
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arifkarim

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
??Nuremburg trials and holocausts hunt, trials and assassinations still going on in the 1990s? About revenge, American soldiers slaughtered thousands of German prisoners of war after it ended - many time for fun fest and for torture - pushed them alive over the hills . That is the saddest chapter of WWII - simply horrifying!! there are books and ample US military documents regarding this . US soldier's conduct has been un-professional through out its history. I absolutely don't get why have you presented this as an example while this can be used as an opposite!!!.
Do you know about financial and territorial liabilities imposed on Germany after both wars - in spite of paltry Marshal plan - read some good book written by Germans . Officially Germany is still under occupation with limited defense rights - which now rather have become beneficial to Germany and Trump wanted to change that.
However, comparing with Russian, Germans, and American soldiers, the behavior of British soldiers was better with prisoners but you cannot make it an example either.
Yes, later to counter socialists and USSR, American conspired to bring back ex-Nazis to promote right wing politics and to form a armed threat - Ex-Nazi criminals was back to rule but not out of compassion but to raise a new resistance and race politics against Russians; however it is said that money interests of a few was main impetus to empower ex-Nazis - that is unending debate.
What happened to Germans and collaboratives in eastern European nations/by Russian. that's a different tale of cruelty altogether. I think starvation was main cause of death. Detail military data is scares in this regards to know its veracity
Okay but same Europeans who killed each other during World wars forgave each other by joining European Union, abolished borders, created one currency, supreme court and parliament. This has brought 70 of peace in Europe since 1945. This conduct by Europeans demonstrate that Taliban are not the only ones who can forgive the past and move ahead together.
 

Citizen X

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
So called "Terrorists" AKA "Taliban" in Afghanistan has FORGIVEN ALL after winning the war.

Their enemies bombed their homes, killed their families and kids, many of them extradited to Guantanamo (majority of them who survived returned proven not guilty) carpet bombed their entire localities and forced them to stay away from their families from the past 20 years.

To the cultured world, just one simple question. Can they show just one similar example of forgiveness (with a background of such atrocities) from their recent past i.e. the time when they became civilized. I want to follow their footsteps of kindness and humanity.
So have you have forgiven them for gunning down over a 100 of our children or murdering 1000s of Pakistans in suicide bombings? Playing football with the heads of our soldiers?

And please don't give me that taliban apologist bullshit, wah wah wah those were Pakistani Talibans these are Afgani Talibans. They are all the same motherfuckers following the same extremist ideology with deep and close ties with each other. Hence these goat fuckers are sheltering 6000 TTP fighters in Afghanistan.
 

Eyeaan

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Okay but same Europeans who killed each other during World wars forgave each other by joining European Union, abolished borders, created one currency, supreme court and parliament. This has brought 70 of peace in Europe since 1945. This conduct by Europeans demonstrate that Taliban are not the only ones who can forgive the past and move ahead together.
1. Holocausts trials/criminal's search were still in 90s. - I don't know about the current status but holocaust has become a filthy industry. Read about it otherwise you wouldn't have given this example. Even innocents suffered sometimes and there are many instances of false identity with nefarious intents.
2. You are simply missing the point. EU and post war politics is a different matter altogether - about all nations have been at war at some time - maybe more apt than EU example, regional wars within current European nations will be a better example. Germany, France, Italy, Poland you name it , all constitute historical warring regions. Similarly in todays India, regions have been fighting each other since ever. . If you read history of US states you will be surprised. None of this has to anything with general pardoning, even of war criminals.
Pardoning is about conduct of conqueror/winning military and military leaders, not nations.
I cannot recall exactly right now- but. in Americas, there was catholic practice of en-mass pardon in lieu of en-mass conversions. or for tribal leader's conversion only. There is literature about that. Spanish/catholic history in south America is different - very cruel as well as compassionate. That's why there is a large populations of red-Indians today in South-American nations but they have been practically eliminated in North because of Protestantism liberal ethics and democracy. Do not expect conduct like pardoning from moderns or rationalists. Maybe by Catholics in the medieval times (if I recall right there are such examples in Scandinavia)- religious and tribal sensibilities are different, more compassionate, with a differing concept of humanity. Medieval warfare is also not the same as modern (all-out- total) warfare ;also modern standing national armies came into existence recently in the last 300 years after nationalism and colonization), Prior to that warfare was mainly about tributes and enlisting the whole of opposing army, and only occasionally, generally due to logistic reasons or treachery, mass slaughter/prison was carried out. Those wars were much humane than today's total wars and less expensive as well. Enslavement was also part of some warfare but slavery was a different concept then what is in modern times.

Anyhow, the way Taliban have pardoned the criminals is unique but general pardons and ending hostilities is part of pukhtunwali - seh-per and char-per wars. Pashtun wars are not about life and death but war is a way of life. When a tribe is conquered, it may be sent to exile or retires and hostilities end for a while , revenge is rare; often conquered top leaders maintain a respectful position; however conquered tribe prepares for another day. Individual and tribal conflicts have different dynamics. Anyhow such is not the conduct of modern man with a different view of rationality and law,. Taliban act is unique but hopefully we'll read something interesting on this topic by a genuine Pashtun experts soon.
 
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