One Constitution, one set of laws but interpretations, results vary

RajaRawal111

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
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ISLAMABAD: We have one constitution and one set of statutes but such has been the interpretations of the constitutional articles and legal sections by the judiciary that the crime of “misdeclaration” in some cases only leads to the unseating of a member of parliament but in others’ cases it brings in for them life-time ban in politics.Moreover, without going into the complexities of the court’s interpretations, the outcome of judiciary’s decisions including the one handed down on Friday is simple- the act of misdeclaration, even if made unintentionally, is the biggest crime for a politician and is even worse than a public office holder convicted of corruption, murder, rape or even the one having acted against the state.

In consequence of an earlier decision of the Supreme Court, Nawaz Sharif was removed as president of the PML-N. In that case the apex court had ruled that Article 17 and Article 63 “deal with the same broad subject and have to be read, understood and interpreted harmoniously”.On the contrary, in the latest judgment, the Supreme Court rejected as “flawed” the idea of reading Article 62 with Article 63 of the Constitution. The SC ruled,

“Although the ultimate result of a candidate for election lacking a qualification under Article 62 of the Constitution or for incurring disqualification under Article 63 of the Constitution is the same, namely, his ouster from the election contest, yet the object, meaning and effect of the two provisions is very different.

The view that qualifications and disqualifications are interchangeable and therefore, the consequences of incurring either, namely, period of ouster from the election contest should be similar because the same misconduct can form the subject matter of both the provisions, is flawed.”

For the readers’ understanding, without linking the Article 17 with Article 63, it was not possible to disqualify Nawaz Sharif as president of the PML-N. In the latest judgment, the Article 62 had to be read independently without linking it with Article 63 because otherwise, the life time ban under Article 62(1)(f) would not have been possible.

In case the SC had opted to interpret the term of disqualification under Article 62(1)(f) while reading it with Article 63, there would have been a constitutional answer to that because Article 63 talks about the different terms of disqualification in different nature of crimes.

Linking Article 62 with Article 63 would have resulted in some clarity about the term of disqualification depending on the nature of the crime or conviction. Although Article 62(1)(f) under which Nawaz Sharif and Jehangir Tareen have been disqualified there is no mention of term of disqualification, Article 63 has a clear picture about the terms of disqualification.

Both Nawaz and Tareen have now been disqualified for life because they had misdeclared their assets and because they were judged under Article 62(1)(f) of the Constitution. Otherwise under the tax law, the act of misdeclaration generally results in penalty (deposit of tax evaded and fine). However, in Article 63 there is no life ban even for a person who has committed much graver and much heinous crime.

As per the Constitution and the SC’s latest judgment, a convicted thief, dacoit, rapist, murderer, child abuser or even a traitor is qualified to become member of Parliament after five years of the completion of his jail sentence. However, for the likes of Nawaz and Jehangir the doors of Parliament and politics are closed for life despite their much lesser crime of misdeclaration.Article 63(1)(g) and (h) talks about the period of disqualification of convicted criminals.

Article 63(1)(g) reads as: “(1) A person shall be disqualified from being elected or chosen as, and from being, a member of the Majlis-e-Shoora (Parliament), if; (g) he has been convicted by a court of competent jurisdiction for propagating any opinion, or acting in any manner, prejudicial to the ideology of Pakistan, or the sovereignty, integrity or security of Pakistan, or morality, or the maintenance of public order, or the integrity or independence of the judiciary of Pakistan, or which defames or brings into ridicule the judiciary or the armed forces of Pakistan, unless a period of five years has elapsed since his release.”

Article 63(1)(h) reads as: “(1) A person shall be disqualified from being elected or chosen as, and from being, a member of the Majlis-e-Shoora (Parliament), if; (h) he has been, on conviction for any offence involving moral turpitude, sentenced to imprisonment for a term of not less than two years, unless a period of five years has elapsed since his release.”While Article 63(1)(g) covers even a traitor, the offences that can fall in the category of moral turpitude- the expression used in Article 63(1)(h)- are too many.

According to a legal expert, in US the offences falling in the category of “moral turpitude” are too many and even include the crimes of murder, rape, child abuse, kidnapping etc.Recently this correspondent had contacted the constitutional expert and seasoned parliamentarian Wasim Sajjad for his interpretation of these provisions, he said that the provisions covered convicts of almost all serious crimes including a traitor. He had said that as per these constitutional provisions, the convicted criminal after five years of his release from jail becomes eligible to become member of Parliament.

Wasim Sajjad had explained that Nawaz Sharif and Jehangir Tareen have become the victim of Article 62(1)(f), which though requires a member of Parliament to be Sadiq or Ameen but does not mention any time period for disqualification.In Panama case, Nawaz Sharif was disqualified for not declaring the unwithdrawn receivable. The verdict precisely said, “It has not been denied that respondent No. 1 (Nawaz Sharif) being Chairman of the Board of Capital FZE was entitled to salary, therefore, the statement that he did not withdraw the salary would not prevent the un-withdrawn salary from being receivable, hence an asset.

When the un-withdrawn salary as being receivable is an asset it was required to be disclosed by respondent No. 1 in his nomination papers for the Elections of 2013 in terms of Section 12(2)(f) of the ROPA. Where respondent No. 1 did not disclose his aforesaid assets, it would amount to furnishing a false declaration on solemn affirmation in violation of the law mentioned above, therefore, he is not honest in terms of Section 99(1)(f) of the ROPA and Article 62(1)(f) of the Constitution of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan.”

In the case of Jehangir Tarin, the SC ruled, “We hold and declare that in view of our findings on the proposition about the offshore company (in short) covered by clause (e) of the conclusion, the respondent is disqualified in terms of Article 62(1)(f) of the Constitution read with Section 99(1)(f) of ROPA for the non-declaration of his property/asset i.e. “Hyde House” in his nomination papers, and in making untrue statement before this Court, that he has no beneficial interest in SVL, therefore, he should cease to hold the office as the member of the National Assembly with immediate effect.”

In yet another interesting contradiction, some other MPs including a PML-N MNA Justice (R) Iftikhar Cheema was only unseated and not disqualified for life by the same apex court for same crime of misdeclaration of asset. Cheema though had also admitted to have misdeclared, he was only us-seated and allowed to contest the elections immediately. Consequent to the apex court order, he was us-seated but later re-elected as MNA in the by-election of the seat vacated earlier by him.

Cheema was unseated by the apex court while hearing an appeal against the decision of election tribunal in an election petition filed under ROPA.

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akmal1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
نون لیگ والے اب ٹیکنیکل انصاف کی تلاش میں ہیں
راجہ صاحب کی جانب سے یہ آرٹیکل پوسٹ کرنے کا مطلب ہے کہ وہ یہ تو تسلیم کر رہے ہیں کہ میرے لیڈر نے جھوٹ بولا مگر اعتراض یہ ہے کہ جھوٹ بولنے پہ اتنی کڑی سزا کیوں دی جا رہی ہے؟ یعنی انھیں اس بات سے کوئی مسئلہ نہیں کہ جھوٹ بولا گیا، مسئلہ اس بات سے ہے کہ جھوٹ پہ سزا کیوں دی جا رہی ہے؟
آرٹیکل ٦٢ اور ٦٣ کو ملا کر پڑھنے کی تجاویز دی جا رہی ہیں جبکہ یہ صرف اور صرف سپریم کورٹ کی صوابدید ہے کہ وہ کن آرٹیکلز کو دوسرے کی روشنی میں پڑھتی ہے اور کس کو نہیں
دلچسپ بات یہ ہے کہ راجہ صاحب اور انکے حواری یہاں پہ پوری دنیا کے اصولوں سے الٹ، یہ بحث کرتے نظر آتے تھے کہ جناب عوام کے علاوہ تو کوئی حساب کر ہی نہیں سکتا
جبکہ اب یہ دلیل استعمال کر رہے ہیں کہ عدالت اگر ایک عوامی عہدیدار کو سزا دیتی ہے تو وہ سزا پوری کرنے کے پانچ سال بعد دوبارہ الیکشن لڑ سکتا ہے
جبکہ حضور آپ لوگوں کی تو دلیل ہی یہ تھی کہ عوامی عہدے والے کو عدالت سزا نہیں دے سکتی
جس سے یہ اصول اخذ کیا جا سکتا تھا کہ نون لیگی عوامی عہدیدار کو اپنی جان مال اور عزت سے کھیلنے کا اختیار دیتے ہیں اور اس سلسلے میں کسی عدالت کا اختیار تسلیم نہیں کرتے
تو اب عدالت کے اختیار کی صورت میں دی جانے والی سزا کو دلیل کے طور پہ کیوں استعمال کر رہے ہیں؟
 

wamufti

Senator (1k+ posts)
Raja Sb - please do put the question to ur leadership. What was the need of holding iqama. Not only MNS but Kh asif and Prof ahsan iqbal also hold them. This is absolutely conflict of interest. Likewise being PTI supporter i ask tareen sb why he failed to dealare
lawfully earned money. I am happy to see him out of politics. Even more happy to see MNS out as well.
 

Admiral

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Rajarawal111 said:
simple- the act of misdeclaration, even if made unintentionally, is the biggest crime for a politician and is even worse than a public office holder convicted of corruption, murder, rape or even the one having acted against the state.

Waah jee Waah !!!


Are they sentenced to death, or are they sent to jail for 7 years??

عقل نُو ہتھ مارو یار
جیو اور ڈان والے کل سے یہی بکواس کیے جا رہے ہیں کہ یہ سزا تو قتل اور ریپ سے بھی زیادہ ہے

او بھئی کون سی سزا؟؟
نہ تو اسے جیل بھیجا گیا، نہ ہی اسے پھانسی کی سزا سنائی گئی

اسے صرف اتنا کہا گیا ہے کہ بھئی اپنا روگار کوئی اور تلاش کر لو، بس سیاست حکومت سے دور رہو۔
 

samkhan

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Waah jee Waah !!!


Are they sentenced to death, or are they sent to jail for 7 years??

عقل نُو ہتھ مارو یار
جیو اور ڈان والے کل سے یہی بکواس کیے جا رہے ہیں کہ یہ سزا تو قتل اور ریپ سے بھی زیادہ ہے

او بھئی کون سی سزا؟؟
نہ تو اسے جیل بھیجا گیا، نہ ہی اسے پھانسی کی سزا سنائی گئی

اسے صرف اتنا کہا گیا ہے کہ بھئی اپنا روگار کوئی اور تلاش کر لو، بس سیاست حکومت سے دور رہو۔

کسی کو اس کہ زریعہ معاش یعنی کرپشن کرنے سے تا حیات روک دینا ظلم نہیں ہے تو کیا ہے؟

اس کا دکھ سمجھیں بھائی
 

Pakistan2017

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
اس راجے تین چھکے کو کتنی بار کہا ہے ک صرف ایک دفع قسم کھا کر کہے ک نورا کرپٹ نہیں نورے نے نا جائز پیسہ اکٹھا نہیں کیا


میں کم سے کم اس کو سلام کرونگا
 

Dawood Magsi

Minister (2k+ posts)
Ansar Abbasi , Najam Sethi, Talat Hussain, Qasmi, Jeda Changarh etc ki reporting nain hi miyaan saamp ko phhansi k qareeb laaya hai. yeh Miyaan ko sach nain batatay k miyaan saamptu ab khhatam ho chukka tera Haram ka maal pakra giya ab bas jail aor phhir phhaansi ka wait kar
 

Pakistan2017

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
The stale smell coming out from this article proves its writer's filthiness. Ansar Abbasi is a rotten filthy, so called, journalist.
 

Two Stooges

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
تِلوری پٹواری بدھائی ہو
تمہارا باپ نواجہ لوہار چوتھی بار نا اہل ہو گیا
قطری خط نیب عدالت میں پیش کیوں نہیں کیا

چنُوں، منّوں نے 15-16 سال کی عمر میں اربوں کی جائیداد کیسے بنائی
اُن دنوں موٹر وے ہی بن رہی تھی ناں

صرف ایک ملک برطانیہ میں 300 ارب کی ڈکیتی کا انکشاف
باقی کے ممالک کا ابھی پتہ چلنا ہے
لعنت ہو تم جیسے حرامخور پٹواری کی پیدائش پر
جو چوری چکاری، ہیرا پھیری، اور اداروں کو تباہ کرنے والے شخص کو اپنا باپ کہتا ہے
 

RajaRawal111

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
تو پہلے قسم کھا کے کیہ کہ تو نے اپنی آنکھوں سے اسے کرپشن کرتے دیکھا ہے - اور تیرے پاس وہ ثبوت ہیں جو کسی اور کے پاس نہیں پر تو یہ کسی کو دیکھانا نہیں چاھتا - کیوں کہ ابھی تک تو کوئی بھی کچھ بھی نہیں بتا رہا



اس راجے تین چھکے کو کتنی بار کہا ہے ک صرف ایک دفع قسم کھا کر کہے ک نورا کرپٹ نہیں نورے نے نا جائز پیسہ اکٹھا نہیں کیا


میں کم سے کم اس کو سلام کرونگا
 

Pakistan2017

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
تو پہلے قسم کھا کے کیہ کہ تو نے اپنی آنکھوں سے اسے کرپشن کرتے دیکھا ہے - اور تیرے پاس وہ ثبوت ہیں جو کسی اور کے پاس نہیں پر تو یہ کسی کو دیکھانا نہیں چاھتا - کیوں کہ ابھی تک تو کوئی بھی کچھ بھی نہیں بتا رہا

آنکھوں سے تو نہیں دیکھا لیکن الله پاک کی قسم کھا کر کہتا ہوں ک نورا کرپٹ ہے


اب تو قسم کھا کر کہو ک نورا کرپٹ نہیں
 

RajaRawal111

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
میں تمہاری قسم کی عزت کرتا ہوں - میرے ساتھ سنجیدہ بات کرنا پلیز- میں وعدہ کرتاہوں کہ اس بات کو منطقی لیول پر رکھوں گا
جب کوئی بندہ قسم کھاتا ہے تو دوسرے کا فرض بن جاتا ہے کہ اس کی راۓ کو عزت دے - اب میں سمجھنا چاہتا ہوں کہ تم اس راۓ تک کیسے پہونچے - اس لیے پلیز اب یہ بتاؤ کہ یہ تمہیں کیسے پتا چلا کہ نواجے نے کرپشن کی ہے
میں ان دنوں میں کام کے سلسلے میں ایک پروجیکٹ پر کافی مصروف ہوں اس لئے اسی وقت جواب دینے کے قابل نہیں ہوں گا - اس لئے گزارش ہے کہ اس بات کو ختم ضرور کرنا - چاہے تین چار دن لگ




آنکھوں سے تو نہیں دیکھا لیکن الله پاک کی قسم کھا کر کہتا ہوں ک نورا کرپٹ ہے


اب تو قسم کھا کر کہو ک نورا کرپٹ نہیں
 

Pakistan2017

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
میں تمہاری قسم کی عزت کرتا ہوں - میرے ساتھ سنجیدہ بات کرنا پلیز- میں وعدہ کرتاہوں کہ اس بات کو منطقی لیول پر رکھوں گا
جب کوئی بندہ قسم کھاتا ہے تو دوسرے کا فرض بن جاتا ہے کہ اس کی راۓ کو عزت دے - اب میں سمجھنا چاہتا ہوں کہ تم اس راۓ تک کیسے پہونچے - اس لیے پلیز اب یہ بتاؤ کہ یہ تمہیں کیسے پتا چلا کہ نواجے نے کرپشن کی ہے
میں ان دنوں میں کام کے سلسلے میں ایک پروجیکٹ پر کافی مصروف ہوں اس لئے اسی وقت جواب دینے کے قابل نہیں ہوں گا - اس لئے گزارش ہے کہ اس بات کو ختم ضرور کرنا - چاہے تین چار دن لگ


جب میں نے قسم کھا کر بات کی تو باقی سوالات ثانوی ہو جاتے ہیں. بس آپ بھی اسی طرح قسم کھا کر کہیں ک نورا کرپٹ نہیں
بات منطقی انجام کو پنہچ کر ختم ہو جاۓگی


ویسے آپ بھی اپنے گرو نورے کی طرح مسلسل آئین بائیں شائیں کرتے آ رہے ہیں جیسے نورا پچھلے ایک سال سے ہر طرح کی بکواس کرتا آ رہا ہے لیکن یہ نہیں بتا پایا ک اس کے بچوں نے ١٧ ١٨ سال کی عمر میں کن پیسوں سے اربوں روپے کی جائیدادیں خریدیں
 

RajaRawal111

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
جب میں نے قسم کھا کر بات کی تو باقی سوالات ثانوی ہو جاتے ہیں. بس آپ بھی اسی طرح قسم کھا کر کہیں ک نورا کرپٹ نہیں
بات منطقی انجام کو پنہچ کر ختم ہو جاۓگی


ویسے آپ بھی اپنے گرو نورے کی طرح مسلسل آئین بائیں شائیں کرتے آ رہے ہیں جیسے نورا پچھلے ایک سال سے ہر طرح کی بکواس کرتا آ رہا ہے لیکن یہ نہیں بتا پایا ک اس کے بچوں نے ١٧ ١٨ سال کی عمر میں کن پیسوں سے اربوں روپے کی جائیدادیں خریدیں

Sorry I am not on my computer so can't reply in Urdu.
Iss tarah Dorsey Ke sir pur bandooq rukhna jaaez nheen.
I promised that I will give you my perception but I want to understand you first. Please tell me the best of your knowledge which brought you to this conclusion.
 

Pakistan2017

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Sorry I am not on my computer so can't reply in Urdu.
Iss tarah Dorsey Ke sir pur bandooq rukhna jaaez nheen.
I promised that I will give you my perception but I want to understand you first. Please tell me the best of your knowledge which brought you to this conclusion.

Proofs have been submitted to the NAB Court regarding ownership of offshore companies by Farari an 1992-93, and purchase of Avenfield Apartments by the same offshore companies, owned by Farari.

I am 66 years old man and to the best of my knowledge I happened to know, in 1964, about a foundry, namely Itafaq foundry, situated on a 9 marla area. And noora's father had only one, so called, industry till noora became CM of Punjab in 1985.

Why don't you finish up by simply uttering few "SIMPLE WORDS" on Oath about your Guru?
 

RajaRawal111

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Okay jnaab I promise I will give you the utmost respect from this point own as your life experience is significantly more than mine. thanks for telling me.

I definitely will come to the so called "Simple Words" and I will definitely let you know why I will say them or why I will not say them. And in doing this my intent is to explain myself not defending my so called Guru. So please I request you again to stay with me for some time. And please dont leave this conversation in between.

You said NAB has given proofs that Avenfield Apartments were bought in 1992-93 by same off shore company of farrari. However the fact is contrary. NAB has not given any such proofs. I will give you two evidences that tell your information is wrong.

1:
JIT in its Executive Summary Page-15 (middle para heading Conclusive findings) states

"Maryam Safdar is the real and beneficial owner of Nielson and Nescoll offshoreCompanies and owned Avenfield apartments since 2012 and before"
How much before ?? the report is silent.

Please read it your self. I found the link for you

https://www.globalvillagespace.com/...XECUTIVE-SUMMARY-JIT-REPORT-AHMED-PANSOTA.pdf

2:
In the last hearing on Friday when Wajid Zia was asked how far was your investigation he said they dont have anything before 2005. He admitted that Mariyam had no role in incorporation of both companies. When wajid Zia was further asked about agent who worked on behalf of purchaser of apartments between 1993 to 1996 Mr Lawrence Radley, of Dibb Lupton Broomhead. This is the person who has certified that He never had any instructions from Sharif Family at the time of Purchasing in 1993 to 1996. Wajid Zia did not refute his knowledge about this certificate and admitted they never cared to investigate this guy.

Link is here please read it yourself.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1401529/jit-head-asked-about-offshore-companies-in-avenfield-case


So ???????

Proofs have been submitted to the NAB Court regarding ownership of offshore companies by Farari an 1992-93, and purchase of Avenfield Apartments by the same offshore companies, owned by Farari.

I am 66 years old man and to the best of my knowledge I happened to know, in 1964, about a foundry, namely Itafaq foundry, situated on a 9 marla area. And noora's father had only one, so called, industry till noora became CM of Punjab in 1985.

Why don't you finish up by simply uttering few "SIMPLE WORDS" on Oath about your Guru?
 

RajaRawal111

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Some people say the crime of Nawaz Shareef is stepping on the tale of SSG Choha Musharuf.
But I agree with you the dream of "peaceful South Asia" is the real crime on Nawaz Shareef.



long live pmln , a party with vision for peaceful south asia .

talibani parties should lose .
 

MUNSIF

Banned
Some people say the crime of Nawaz Shareef is stepping on the tale of SSG Choha Musharuf.
But I agree with you the dream of "peaceful South Asia" is the real crime on Nawaz Shareef.

you are right ,pakistanis don't understand that nawaz sharif sahab was leader who was able to bring peace and prosperity to this south asia . but terrorists and ptichars derailed progress of pakistan.
any way pmln leadership must get guidance of nawaz sharif ,otherwise ptichars imran party have no experience of running democratic govts , they will surrender to terrorists like taliban.