Obama: We will hunt down terrorists who threaten our nation

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Obama: We will hunt down terrorists [ISIS] who threaten our nation:


 
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adslpxp2

MPA (400+ posts)
So America has decided to go back into the "$#!T hole" called Middle East.

Does that mean Iran, Asad and Saudis are on the same side in this conflict.
 

mehwish_ali

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)

امریکا کا شام کی حکومت ختم کرنے کا پلان

اوباما داعش کو فقط چارے کے طور پر استعمال کر رہا ہے۔ اسکا اصل ہدف شام کی حکومت ہے جو کہ کئی دھائیوں سے اسرائیل کے خلاف اس خطے میں واحد عنصر تھا جو کہ مزاحمت کر رہا تھا اور حزب اللہ اور حماس کو اسلحہ فراہم کر رہا تھا۔ امریکہ اور اسرائیل اس مزاحمت کو جڑ سے ختم کیے بغیر چین سے نہیں بیٹھیں گے۔

داعش کے نام پر پہلے شام میں نو فلائی زون قائم ہو گا، اور پھر وہاں سے شامی فوج کو نشانہ بنایا جائے گا جو کہ باغیوں کا ملک سے خاتمہ کر رہی ہے اور اللہ کی مدد سے فتح کے قریب پہنچ چکی ہے اور یہ باغی بس کچلے جانے کے قریب ہیں۔

اسی داعش سے لڑنے کے نام پر امریکہ شامی باغیوں کو زبردست قسم کا اسلحہ فراہم کرے گا، جو کہ اصل میں شام کی فوج کے خلاف استعمال ہو گا۔ بلکہ امریکہ نے پہلے سے ہی داعش کے نام پر دیگر باغی گروہوں کو جدید اسلحے کی سپلائی شروع کر دی ہے۔


اوباما نے اپنے بیان میں کھل کر اس منصوبے کو بیان کیا ہے کہ امریکا کا مقصد نہ صرف یہ کہ داعش پر حملہ کرنا ہے، بلکہ شامی باغیوں کو سپورٹ فراہم کرنا ہے تاکہ وہ شام کی فوج کو شکست دے سکیں۔ (لنک: بی بی سی
 

mehwish_ali

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
حیدر البادی اور بتا کافری کیا ہے؟

یہ پوچھنا ہے تو پہلے عراق میں موجود صدام حسین کے وفادار علاقوں کے ایم پیز سے پوچھو ۔۔۔۔ یہ سوال پوچھنا ہے تو پہلے کردوں سے پوچھو۔۔۔۔ جنہوں نے عوام کی منتخب کردہ مالکی کو ہٹا کر اس کو عراق میں بٹھایا۔

عراقی تو امریکہ کا بہانے ختم کر کے اسے عراق سے نکالنے میں کامیاب ہو گئے تھے، مگر امریکہ اپنے پٹھو داعش کے بل بوتے پر پھر سے عراقی عوام پر سوار ہونے میں کامیاب ہو گیا۔

اب داعش کے ان حمایتیوں کے منہ سے یہ رونا دھونا اچھا نہیں لگ رہا۔

کیا کبھی آپ نے القاعدہ سے کافری کا پوچھا تھا جب وہ عراق میں ہزار ہا معصوم زائرین کو خود کش حملوں کا نشانہ بنا کر انکا خون بہا رہے تھے؟




 

ImRaaN

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)

یہ پوچھنا ہے تو پہلے عراق میں موجود صدام حسین کے وفادار علاقوں کے ایم پیز سے پوچھو ۔۔۔۔ یہ سوال پوچھنا ہے تو پہلے کردوں سے پوچھو۔۔۔۔ جنہوں نے عوام کی منتخب کردہ مالکی کو ہٹا کر اس کو عراق میں بٹھایا۔

عراقی تو امریکہ کا بہانے ختم کر کے اسے عراق سے نکالنے میں کامیاب ہو گئے تھے، مگر امریکہ اپنے پٹھو داعش کے بل بوتے پر پھر سے عراقی عوام پر سوار ہونے میں کامیاب ہو گیا۔

اب داعش کے ان حمایتیوں کے منہ سے یہ رونا دھونا اچھا نہیں لگ رہا۔

کیا کبھی آپ نے القاعدہ سے کافری کا پوچھا تھا جب وہ عراق میں ہزار ہا معصوم زائرین کو خود کش حملوں کا نشانہ بنا کر انکا خون بہا رہے تھے؟




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mehwish_ali

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)


سلام ہے آپ کی اس فراست پر۔

طالبان تو خود امریکہ کی ناجائز اولاد تھے، جنہوں امریکہ نے اسوقت کی آئی ایس آئی اور بینظیر بھٹو کی مدد سے مل کر جنم دیا تھا اور اس مٰیں سعودی اور عرب امارات کا پیسہ لگا تھا۔

یہی طالبان، جو ہر وقت کافر کافر امریکہ کی رٹ لگاتے تھے، یہی طالبان وقت آنے پر کافر امریکہ کے کافر ہیلی کاپرٹروں میں بیٹھ کر کافر امریکی اہلکاروں سے آئل پائپ لائن پر مذاکرات کرنے پہنچے ہوئے تھے (امریکہ نے طالبان کا جنم اس لیے کروایا تھا کیونکہ وہ چاہتا تھا کہ ایک تکفیری ریاست ایران کے ہمسائے میں قائم ہو جس کے ذریعے ایران پر جنگ جاری رکھی جائے۔

اس مقصد کے حصول کے لیے طالبان کی زبردستی پیدائش کروائی گئی، امریکی اسلحے سے بھرے بحری جہاز (جنکا پیسہ سعودیہ نے ادا کیا) وہ پاکستان کی بندرگاہوں پر لنگرانداز ہوئے، پھر اس اسلحے اور آئی ایس آئی کی ٹریننگ کی مدد سے طالبان نے افغانستان میں لاکھوں مسلمانوں کا خون کرتے ہوئے طاقت کے زور پر اپنی حکومت مسلط کر دی۔

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[h=2]زرداری کی گواہی کہ سی آئی اے طالبان کی پیدائش میں ملوث تھی[/h]طالبان کی پیدائش بینظیر حکومت کے دور میں ہوئی۔ پیپلز پارٹی بذات خود تو سیکولر جماعت ہے، مگر افسوس کہ اسکی قیادت میں دم خم ہی نہیں کہ وہ امریکی مطالبات کو رد کر سکے۔ اسی لیے آپ کو یاد ہو گا کہ بینظیر کو "مادر طالبان" کا خطاب بھی دیا گیا تھا۔ اسی بینظیر کے شوہر آصف زرداری صاحب کی گواہی دیکھئیے:


zardari tells american press that the cia and pakistan's isi together created the taliban

washington, may 11 (pti) in a new revelation, pakistan president asif ali zardari has said that the cia of the united states and his country's isi together created the taliban.

"i think it was part of your past and our past, and the isi and cia created them together," zardari told the nbc news channel in an interview.

In the interview, which was given to the nbc on may 7, zardari also accused the us of supporting the military rule of pervez musharraf who was alleged to be taking sides of the taliban.

He disagreed with the popular belief in the us that the pakistan military and intelligence services still have sympathies for the taliban.

"i think general musharraf may have had a mindset to run head and hand with the hound but certainly not on our watch. We don't have a tough process at all," zardari said.

Asked about the influential role of the pakistan army, zardari said he is in control of everything in the country, including the military.

"the parliament has final say. It's the parliament form of government, and i am a product of the parliament," he said.

Earlier, zardari in an another interview had said that india was not a "threat" to his country and that pakistan had moved some of its forces from its indian border to western frontier to eliminate taliban in its tribal belt.


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pti

[h=2]وزیر اطلاعات قمر الزمان کائرہ صاحب کی گواہی[/h]طالبان آئی ایس آئی نہیں سی آئی اے کی پیداوار ہیں ، قمر الزمان کائرہ
پاک فوج شدت پسندوں کیخلاف بہادری سے لڑ رہی ہے ، دنیا میں امن پاکستان میں امن سے مشروط ہے ، نیویارک میں پاکستانیوں سے خطاب
نیویارک۔۔۔۔ وفاقی وزیر اطلاعات ونشریات قمر زمان کائرہ نے کہا ہے کہ طالبان آئی ایس آئی نہیں امریکی سی آئی اے کی پیداوار ہیں ایک لاکھ بیس ہزار فوج شرپسندوں کیخلاف جنگ بہادری سے لڑ رہی ہے وہ نیویارک میں پاکستانیوں سے خطاب کررہے تھے وفاقی وزیر اطلاعات نے کہا کہ پاکستان اس وقت عالمی جنگ کا میدان بنا ہوا ہے پاکستان میں امن قائم ہوگا تو دنیا میں بھی ہوگا انہوں نے کہا کہ طالبان امریکی سی آئی اے کی پیداوار ہیں سی آئی اے کے سربراہ افغانستان پر روسی حملے کے دور میں پاکستان آکر جہاد کی اہمیت پر لیکچر دیا کرتے تھے انہوں نے کہا کہ پاکستانی دینی مدارس کے حوالے سے پائے جانے والے تحفظات کا مقابلہ جدید سکولوں سے کیا جاسکتا ہے اس حوالے سے اصلاحات کی بھی ضرورت ہے جبکہ امریکہ سے بھی مدد مانگی ہے
لنک


[h=2]REPUBLICAN CONGRESSMAN DANA ROHRABACHER NAMED THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION, PAKISTAN AND SAUDI ARABIA FOR CREATING THE TALIBAN[/h]Link
During the House Committee on Foreign Affairs discussion recently. Republican Congressman Dana Rohrabacher named the Clinton administration, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia for creating the Taliban.
Let me repeat that: The Clinton administration, along with Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, created the Taliban…” Rohrabacher
If this seems strange to you then look closely at the picture and you will see Congressman Rohrabacher on the right dressed in Taliban garb. Mr. Karzai’s elder brother was a Taliban and both used to live in Quetta Pakistan. Part of his family still lives there. Mr. Hamid Kiimself is a self-professed Taliban who was proposed as the UN Ambassador of the Taliban government. During this days as a Conoco representative Mr. Karzai reportedly received lots of money from Enron and Conocoto get the Turkmenistan-Afghanistan-Pakistan pipeline off the ground.
Dana Rohrabacher is Congressman for 46th congressional district. The 46th district includes the whole of the Palos Verdes Peninsula, Costa Mesa, Fountain Valley, Huntington Beach, Seal Beach, andAvalon on the island of Catalina. Also included are parts of Long Beach, San Pedro, Garden Grove, Santa Ana, and Westminster. Rohrabacher has accepted money from Jack Abramoff. He is pictured here with the Taliban.
Specifically, for the CIA, which effectively trained and funded the Mujahideen back in the 80s, the genie is now out of the bottle and is haunting them. The Americans and their intelligence establishment are reaping the whirlwind of a terrible and deadly legacy they had once sown in the hope that it would not affect them. In a phenomenon that is fast becoming a trend in Afghanistan, a sympathiser from the Afghan army carried out the attack. It would definitely add to NATO’s worry because it is the Afghan army personnel, who provide security to the foreign armies. This also shows the general hatred towards the US and its cohorts in Afghanistan. It is not just a particular group like the Taliban who want the Americans out but the ordinary Afghans as well who loathe their very presence. Shireen Mazari writing in the The Nation. http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-n...nions/Editorials/02-Jan-2010/CIA-under-attack
[h=2]US SPENT 3 BILLION USD FOR TALIBAN DURING 1994-1996[/h]Sy Hersch as well as George Crieldiscussed the CIA connection at length The Talibaanwere a construct of the CIA! See Congressional records and visits to Texas ranches.
“In the 1980s, the CIA provided some $5 billion in military aid for Islamic fundamentalist rebels fighting the Soviet occupation in Afghanistan, but scaled down operations after Moscow pulled out in 1989. However, Selig Harrison of the DC-based Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars recently told a conference in London that the CIA created the Taliban “monster” by providing some $3 billion for the ultra-fundamentalist militia in their 1994-6 drive to power.” Times of India, March 7, 2001
Though Mr. Haqqani is much hated by the current White House and wants him killed, previous White House under President Reagan invited him and praised him. This picture shows the Afghans in the White House with President Reagan. Other Reagan-Afghan pictures used to be ubiqutous on the internet but have now vanished. The Taliban was a construct of the CIA and was armed by the CIA, ISI and the Saudis as a counter to a resurgent Russian-backed communist party andan antidote to the civil war in Afghanistan. Pakistan supported the Taliban in conjunction with the CIA who were arming it right up till 2000.

This picture shows the Afghans in the White House with President Reagan. Other Reagan-Afghan pictures used to be ubiqutous on the internet but have now vanished. The Taliban was a construct of the CIA and was armed by the CIA, ISI and the Saudis as a counter to a resurgent Russian-backed communist party andan antidote to the civil war in Afghanistan. Pakistan supported the Taliban in conjunction with the CIA who were arming it right up till 2000. The Taliban also visited Governor Bush’s ranch in Texas.
CNN CROSSFIRE: Aired September 10, 2002 – 19:00 ET
Have U.S. Efforts in Afghanistan Been Successful if bin Laden is Alive?; Will Fingerprints Stop Terrorists From Entering the Country?

MCDERMOTT: It certainly is an improvement for the women of Afghanistan. But you’ve got to remember that of American policy, we put the Taliban there. We gave the money to the..
CARLSON: I beg your pardon?
MCDERMOTT: … Pakistanis.
CARLSON: You’re breaking news here, Congressman. I don’t think this has ever been reported before in the United States.
MCDERMOTT: Oh, yes, it has been. We funded the Taliban through the Pakistanis, and all that money — we could have cut off that money and stopped what was going on. We knew what was going on there.
http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0209/10/cf.00.html
Afghanistan and US interests prior to 9-11

It has been widely broadcast that the U.S. helped arm and train Afghans and extremists to repel the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. It is ironic that these same people would turn their skills and arms against the United States. However, it is beyond deceptive to present this as our sole connection or interest in Afghanistan
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The Clinton administration had been working with the Taliban from 1994 forward. Why? Because some companies (particularly UNOCAL and Saudi owned Delta) wanted “to build a pipeline from Turkmenistan to Pakistan through Afghanistan.” … “so that the vast untapped oil and gas reserves in the Central Asian and Caspian region could be transported to markets in South Asia, South-East Asia, Far East and the Pacific” 17. This is supported by Jon Flanders (2001, 18) article. While official relations were purportedly broken off in 1998, relations with the Taliban were maintained through the State Department (Ahmad) and through the Pakistan Military Intelligence ISI by the CIA. 19
According to Jon Flanders (2001), U.S. interest in the pipeline restarted in 2000, but was still not moving forward when Bush was elected. With Bush came Cheney (CEO of Halliburton) and Halliburton had investments in Turkmenistan for “integrated drilling services with an estimated value of $30 million for the total package.” 20
It should not be surprising given the oil interests of the President, his kin, and his appointees, that Bush placed Afghanistan on the top of his action list. In July 2001, Colin Powell gave the Taliban $43 million for “humanitarian aid” (Madsen, 2002, 21).

According to a BBC report by George Arney (9/18/01), the US was planning military action in Afghanistan prior to 9/11. “Naiz Naik, a former Pakistan Foreign Secretary, was told by senior American officials in mid-July that military action would go ahead by the middle of October.” 22 OpEd
 

ImRaaN

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)

سلام ہے آپ کی اس فراست پر۔

طالبان تو خود امریکہ کی ناجائز اولاد تھے، جنہوں امریکہ نے اسوقت کی آئی ایس آئی اور بینظیر بھٹو کی مدد سے مل کر جنم دیا تھا اور اس مٰیں سعودی اور عرب امارات کا پیسہ لگا تھا۔

یہی طالبان، جو ہر وقت کافر کافر امریکہ کی رٹ لگاتے تھے، یہی طالبان وقت آنے پر کافر امریکہ کے کافر ہیلی کاپرٹروں میں بیٹھ کر کافر امریکی اہلکاروں سے آئل پائپ لائن پر مذاکرات کرنے پہنچے ہوئے تھے (امریکہ نے طالبان کا جنم اس لیے کروایا تھا کیونکہ وہ چاہتا تھا کہ ایک تکفیری ریاست ایران کے ہمسائے میں قائم ہو جس کے ذریعے ایران پر جنگ جاری رکھی جائے۔

اس مقصد کے حصول کے لیے طالبان کی زبردستی پیدائش کروائی گئی، امریکی اسلحے سے بھرے بحری جہاز (جنکا پیسہ سعودیہ نے ادا کیا) وہ پاکستان کی بندرگاہوں پر لنگرانداز ہوئے، پھر اس اسلحے اور آئی ایس آئی کی ٹریننگ کی مدد سے طالبان نے افغانستان میں لاکھوں مسلمانوں کا خون کرتے ہوئے طاقت کے زور پر اپنی حکومت مسلط کر دی۔

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زرداری کی گواہی کہ سی آئی اے طالبان کی پیدائش میں ملوث تھی

طالبان کی پیدائش بینظیر حکومت کے دور میں ہوئی۔ پیپلز پارٹی بذات خود تو سیکولر جماعت ہے، مگر افسوس کہ اسکی قیادت میں دم خم ہی نہیں کہ وہ امریکی مطالبات کو رد کر سکے۔ اسی لیے آپ کو یاد ہو گا کہ بینظیر کو "مادر طالبان" کا خطاب بھی دیا گیا تھا۔ اسی بینظیر کے شوہر آصف زرداری صاحب کی گواہی دیکھئیے:


zardari tells american press that the cia and pakistan's isi together created the taliban

washington, may 11 (pti) in a new revelation, pakistan president asif ali zardari has said that the cia of the united states and his country's isi together created the taliban.

"i think it was part of your past and our past, and the isi and cia created them together," zardari told the nbc news channel in an interview.

In the interview, which was given to the nbc on may 7, zardari also accused the us of supporting the military rule of pervez musharraf who was alleged to be taking sides of the taliban.

He disagreed with the popular belief in the us that the pakistan military and intelligence services still have sympathies for the taliban.

"i think general musharraf may have had a mindset to run head and hand with the hound but certainly not on our watch. We don't have a tough process at all," zardari said.

Asked about the influential role of the pakistan army, zardari said he is in control of everything in the country, including the military.

"the parliament has final say. It's the parliament form of government, and i am a product of the parliament," he said.

Earlier, zardari in an another interview had said that india was not a "threat" to his country and that pakistan had moved some of its forces from its indian border to western frontier to eliminate taliban in its tribal belt.


لنک پاکستان نیوز

pti

وزیر اطلاعات قمر الزمان کائرہ صاحب کی گواہی

طالبان آئی ایس آئی نہیں سی آئی اے کی پیداوار ہیں ، قمر الزمان کائرہ
پاک فوج شدت پسندوں کیخلاف بہادری سے لڑ رہی ہے ، دنیا میں امن پاکستان میں امن سے مشروط ہے ، نیویارک میں پاکستانیوں سے خطاب
نیویارک۔۔۔۔ وفاقی وزیر اطلاعات ونشریات قمر زمان کائرہ نے کہا ہے کہ طالبان آئی ایس آئی نہیں امریکی سی آئی اے کی پیداوار ہیں ایک لاکھ بیس ہزار فوج شرپسندوں کیخلاف جنگ بہادری سے لڑ رہی ہے وہ نیویارک میں پاکستانیوں سے خطاب کررہے تھے وفاقی وزیر اطلاعات نے کہا کہ پاکستان اس وقت عالمی جنگ کا میدان بنا ہوا ہے پاکستان میں امن قائم ہوگا تو دنیا میں بھی ہوگا انہوں نے کہا کہ طالبان امریکی سی آئی اے کی پیداوار ہیں سی آئی اے کے سربراہ افغانستان پر روسی حملے کے دور میں پاکستان آکر جہاد کی اہمیت پر لیکچر دیا کرتے تھے انہوں نے کہا کہ پاکستانی دینی مدارس کے حوالے سے پائے جانے والے تحفظات کا مقابلہ جدید سکولوں سے کیا جاسکتا ہے اس حوالے سے اصلاحات کی بھی ضرورت ہے جبکہ امریکہ سے بھی مدد مانگی ہے
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REPUBLICAN CONGRESSMAN DANA ROHRABACHER NAMED THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION, PAKISTAN AND SAUDI ARABIA FOR CREATING THE TALIBAN

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During the House Committee on Foreign Affairs discussion recently. Republican Congressman Dana Rohrabacher named the Clinton administration, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia for creating the Taliban.
Let me repeat that: The Clinton administration, along with Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, created the Taliban…” Rohrabacher
If this seems strange to you then look closely at the picture and you will see Congressman Rohrabacher on the right dressed in Taliban garb. Mr. Karzai’s elder brother was a Taliban and both used to live in Quetta Pakistan. Part of his family still lives there. Mr. Hamid Kiimself is a self-professed Taliban who was proposed as the UN Ambassador of the Taliban government. During this days as a Conoco representative Mr. Karzai reportedly received lots of money from Enron and Conocoto get the Turkmenistan-Afghanistan-Pakistan pipeline off the ground.
Dana Rohrabacher is Congressman for 46th congressional district. The 46th district includes the whole of the Palos Verdes Peninsula, Costa Mesa, Fountain Valley, Huntington Beach, Seal Beach, andAvalon on the island of Catalina. Also included are parts of Long Beach, San Pedro, Garden Grove, Santa Ana, and Westminster. Rohrabacher has accepted money from Jack Abramoff. He is pictured here with the Taliban.
Specifically, for the CIA, which effectively trained and funded the Mujahideen back in the 80s, the genie is now out of the bottle and is haunting them. The Americans and their intelligence establishment are reaping the whirlwind of a terrible and deadly legacy they had once sown in the hope that it would not affect them. In a phenomenon that is fast becoming a trend in Afghanistan, a sympathiser from the Afghan army carried out the attack. It would definitely add to NATO’s worry because it is the Afghan army personnel, who provide security to the foreign armies. This also shows the general hatred towards the US and its cohorts in Afghanistan. It is not just a particular group like the Taliban who want the Americans out but the ordinary Afghans as well who loathe their very presence. Shireen Mazari writing in the The Nation. http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-n...nions/Editorials/02-Jan-2010/CIA-under-attack
US SPENT 3 BILLION USD FOR TALIBAN DURING 1994-1996

Sy Hersch as well as George Crieldiscussed the CIA connection at length The Talibaanwere a construct of the CIA! See Congressional records and visits to Texas ranches.
“In the 1980s, the CIA provided some $5 billion in military aid for Islamic fundamentalist rebels fighting the Soviet occupation in Afghanistan, but scaled down operations after Moscow pulled out in 1989. However, Selig Harrison of the DC-based Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars recently told a conference in London that the CIA created the Taliban “monster” by providing some $3 billion for the ultra-fundamentalist militia in their 1994-6 drive to power.” Times of India, March 7, 2001
Though Mr. Haqqani is much hated by the current White House and wants him killed, previous White House under President Reagan invited him and praised him. This picture shows the Afghans in the White House with President Reagan. Other Reagan-Afghan pictures used to be ubiqutous on the internet but have now vanished. The Taliban was a construct of the CIA and was armed by the CIA, ISI and the Saudis as a counter to a resurgent Russian-backed communist party andan antidote to the civil war in Afghanistan. Pakistan supported the Taliban in conjunction with the CIA who were arming it right up till 2000.

This picture shows the Afghans in the White House with President Reagan. Other Reagan-Afghan pictures used to be ubiqutous on the internet but have now vanished. The Taliban was a construct of the CIA and was armed by the CIA, ISI and the Saudis as a counter to a resurgent Russian-backed communist party andan antidote to the civil war in Afghanistan. Pakistan supported the Taliban in conjunction with the CIA who were arming it right up till 2000. The Taliban also visited Governor Bush’s ranch in Texas.
CNN CROSSFIRE: Aired September 10, 2002 – 19:00 ET
Have U.S. Efforts in Afghanistan Been Successful if bin Laden is Alive?; Will Fingerprints Stop Terrorists From Entering the Country?

MCDERMOTT: It certainly is an improvement for the women of Afghanistan. But you’ve got to remember that of American policy, we put the Taliban there. We gave the money to the..
CARLSON: I beg your pardon?
MCDERMOTT: … Pakistanis.
CARLSON: You’re breaking news here, Congressman. I don’t think this has ever been reported before in the United States.
MCDERMOTT: Oh, yes, it has been. We funded the Taliban through the Pakistanis, and all that money — we could have cut off that money and stopped what was going on. We knew what was going on there.
http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0209/10/cf.00.html
Afghanistan and US interests prior to 9-11

It has been widely broadcast that the U.S. helped arm and train Afghans and extremists to repel the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. It is ironic that these same people would turn their skills and arms against the United States. However, it is beyond deceptive to present this as our sole connection or interest in Afghanistan
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The Clinton administration had been working with the Taliban from 1994 forward. Why? Because some companies (particularly UNOCAL and Saudi owned Delta) wanted “to build a pipeline from Turkmenistan to Pakistan through Afghanistan.” … “so that the vast untapped oil and gas reserves in the Central Asian and Caspian region could be transported to markets in South Asia, South-East Asia, Far East and the Pacific” 17. This is supported by Jon Flanders (2001, 18) article. While official relations were purportedly broken off in 1998, relations with the Taliban were maintained through the State Department (Ahmad) and through the Pakistan Military Intelligence ISI by the CIA. 19
According to Jon Flanders (2001), U.S. interest in the pipeline restarted in 2000, but was still not moving forward when Bush was elected. With Bush came Cheney (CEO of Halliburton) and Halliburton had investments in Turkmenistan for “integrated drilling services with an estimated value of $30 million for the total package.” 20
It should not be surprising given the oil interests of the President, his kin, and his appointees, that Bush placed Afghanistan on the top of his action list. In July 2001, Colin Powell gave the Taliban $43 million for “humanitarian aid” (Madsen, 2002, 21).

According to a BBC report by George Arney (9/18/01), the US was planning military action in Afghanistan prior to 9/11. “Naiz Naik, a former Pakistan Foreign Secretary, was told by senior American officials in mid-July that military action would go ahead by the middle of October.” 22 OpEd
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شانزے خان ڈيجيٹل آؤٹ ريچ ٹيم يو ايس اسٹيٹ ڈيپارٹمينٹ

اس بارے ميں کوئ ابہام نہيں ہونا چاہيے۔ صدر اوبامہ کا حاليہ پاليسی بيان ان اقدامات کے حوالے سے تھا جو امريکی حکومت آئ ايس آئ ايس جيسی بے رحم تنظيم کی کاروائيوں اور ان کے بڑھتے ہوۓ اثر کو روکنے کے ليے کر رہی ہے۔

صدر اوبامہ نے ہماری حکمت عملی کی وسعت اور ہدف کو واشگاف الفاظ ميں بيان کر ديا ہے۔

"ميں امريکی عوام پر واضح کر دينا چاہتا ہوں کہ ہماری يہ کاوش عراق اور افغانستان ميں جنگوں سے کس طرح مختلف ہو گی۔ اس کاوش ميں بيرون ملک امريکی افواج کی موجودگی شامل نہيں ہے۔"

علاوہ ازيں اہم بات يہ ہے کہ ہماری کاوشيں اس وسيع عمل کا حصہ ہوں گی جس ميں علاقائ شراکت دار اور اسٹريجک اتحادی بھی شامل ہوں گے جو آئ ايس آئ ايس کی خونی مہم سے اسی نوعيت کا خطرہ محسوس کر رہے ہيں۔ اس بات کو صدر اوبامہ نے بھی اپنے بيان ميں ان الفاظ کے ساتھ اجاگر کيا تھا۔

"يہ صرف ہماری لڑائ نہيں ہے۔ امريکی طاقت فيصلہ کن کردار ادا کر سکتی ہے۔ تاہم ہم عراقيوں کے ليے وہ نہيں کر سکتے جو انھيں بہرصورت اپنے ليے خود کرنا ہے۔ اسی طرح اپنے خطے کے تحفظ کے ليے ہم اپنے عرب شراکت داروں کی جگہ نہيں لے سکتے ہيں۔"

اور وہ راۓ دہندگان جو ناقابل فہم سوچ کی بنياد پر ہمارے قانونی اور جائز خدشات اور واضح کردہ حکمت عملی کو شام ميں جاری خانہ جنگی ميں ہماری عملی مداخلت يا براہ راست فريق بننے کے مبينہ ايجنڈے سے تعبير کر رہے ہيں انھيں چاہيے کہ وہ صدر اوبامہ کے ان الفاظ پر توجہ مرکوز کريں جو انھوں نے شام ميں ہماری مداخلت کی حدود اور وسعت کے ضمن ميں واضح طور پرکہے ہيں

"ہمارا مقصد بالکل واضح ہے۔ ہم ايک جامع اور تسلسل پر مبنی انسداد دہشت گردی کی حکمت علمی کے ذريعے آئ ايس آئ ايل کو محدود کر کے اسے بالآخر نيست ونابود کر ديں گے۔ ميں شام يا عراق ميں آئ ايس آئ ايل کے خلاف کاروائ کرنے ميں تامل نہيں کروں گا۔"

شام ميں خانہ جنگی شروع ہوۓ قريب دو برس سے زيادہ گزر چکے ہيں اور شامی حکومت کے غير انسانی مظالم کے حوالے سے ہمارے مسلسل اور مضبوط موقف کے باوجود ہم نے ايک ايسے تنازعے ميں مداخلت کا کبھی عنديہ نہيں ديا جس ميں ہم براہراست فريق نہيں ہيں۔ اس وقت بھی صدر اوبامہ نے يہ واضح کر ديا ہے کہ شام ميں امريکی فوجی بھيجنے کا آپشن موجود نہیں ہے۔


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Another US recession may be coming sooner than you think

Economists warn contraction in emerging market economies could cause another economic slump in 2015
September 16, 2014 6:00AM ET
by Philip Pilkington @pilkingtonphil

The current consensus among American policymakers and commentators, including Federal Reserve Chairwoman Janet Yellen, is that the U.S. economic recovery is well underway. A recent survey by U.S. Federal Reserve hasshown a solid growth in the U.S. economy, prompting some economists to raise concerns about too rapid a recovery and the resulting risks of inflation.
But not everyone agrees with this assessment. One firm in particular, the Jerome Levy Forecasting Center, a New Yorkbased economic consultancy, warned that the world economy might plunge into another recession in 2015 that will take down the U.S. economy with it. It is hard not to take this forecast seriously. Levy economists, who use the profits perspective forecasting model developed by Jerome Levy in 1908, have accurately predicted every major financial event in the past few decades, including the 2008 financial crisis, which many mainstream economists said was unforeseeable.
The Levy Center says policymakers and commentators are not paying attention to a key trend in the global economy: the fall of investment expenditure in emerging market economies. The following chart shows investment expenditure for the Levy Centers emerging market aggregate.


The emerging market aggregate consists of 18 countries: Argentina, Brazil, Chile, Colombia, the Czech Republic, Hungary, India, Indonesia, Malaysia, Mexico, Peru, the Philippines, Poland, Romania, Russia, South Africa, Thailand and Turkey. As shown in the chart, investment expenditure, a key driver of economic activity, has been slowing down in these countries for more than two years. Some analysts appear to assume that this slowdown of investment spending is due to weak growth in developed countries. They imply that exports and investment in the developing countries will increase when growth picks up in the developed countries.
The Levy economists, however, say this analysis is mistaken. They contend that the emerging market economies have become too large to continue to rely on exports to the developed economies. Besides, the share of exports from emerging markets to the developed economies has stagnated after many years of growth. The key driver of the emerging market economies has been massive amounts of fixed capital investment in buildings, factories and machines. The Levy economists say this has created a massive overcapacity problem, meaning these economies now have nowhere to offload their products. As this trend becomes evident, firms in the emerging market economies will eventually pull back on investment spending leading to recession.
How does this square with the positive outlook of U.S. policymakers and commentators? The Levy Center has been forecasting that the U.S. economy will grow at reasonable levels through the latter half of 2014 but the structural problems in the emerging market economies will change this calculus beginning in 2015.
The worst reasonably likely scenario involves a steepening profits decline that triggers recession early in 2015, the group wrote in its July newsletter. The best reasonably likely scenario is a modest profits rise starting in the fourth quarter and continuing to mid-2015 before profits begin to fall.
The researchers put the likelihood of the U.S. experiencing recession in 2015 due to a slowdown in the developing economies at 65 percent. If not next year, they say, the downturn will occur in the coming years.


U.S. policymakers and commentators seem hypnotized by the same overly simplistic, abstract models that exposed their failure in 2008. It is perhaps time to listen to and engage with the economists who saw the last crisis coming.


A decision by the Chinese Communist Party to increase investment to counteract an economic downturn in China could forestall a recession in the developing economies that could spread to the rest of the world. The Levy economists point to a 50 percent year-on-year increase in the number of projects approved by Chinas central planning administration. This rise in investment expenditure may lead to Chinas importing more goods from the other emerging market economies, and this may keep them from ticking over. But the Levy Center also notes Chinas massive overcapacity problems, especially in housing, and how this will eventually unravel, so even if China manages to delay recession in the emerging market economies, it cannot prevent the slump altogether.
U.S. policymakers appear not to recognize these concerns. Last month Yellen suggested the U.S. economy might be expanding too rapidly because of pent-up wage deflation. Her argument echoes conclusions published by the Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco in an academic paper in January. The Fed argues that wages were not lowered enough during the recession and thus the current slow wage growth is in fact not a sign of weak recovery. Instead the slow wage growth reflects the lack of pay increases for employees since wages did not fall enough during the recession. This assertion was quickly refuted by economists at Goldman Sachs using very simple empirical measurement that showed sectors with below-average wage decline in the recession are now registering above-average wage acceleration.
In the end, the debate underscores the U.S. policymakers and commentators failure to grasp complex real-world economic interactions. They have once again become hypnotized by their overly simplistic, abstract models, which exposed their failure in 2008. This generates a rather bizarre argument about what constitutes slow wage growth. Meanwhile a storm that could tip the world back into recession seems to be gathering in the emerging market economies. It is perhaps time to listen to and engage with the economists who saw the last crisis coming. If these self-reinforcing tendencies within the profession continue, it seems unlikely that we could effectively face down future economic problems.



 

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