Nusrat Javed looking angry from govt. not to on-air parliament's session but not blaming Pervaiz Ras

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[Talwar Gujjar]

Nusrat javed b sahi ha, tmasha dexna uska haq ha, ab yeh baba bechara is umer mein aur kia karay.

 

[Will_Bite]

Nusrat javed b sahi ha, tmasha dexna uska haq ha, ab yeh baba bechara is umer mein aur kia karay.

The behavior of PMLN ministers/MNAs doesnt surprise me, because they are looking to 'up' their careers on the back of Sharifs.....but what surprises, rather saddens me, is the response of PMLN followers. i dont mind if you continue to follow PMLN ideology. But lets at least call a spade a spade.
The PM is under virtual investigation for financial crimes, and there was a huge huge debate in the assembly today. The national TV has become a lame tool in the hands of the govt....specially with its beggar MD.

 

[Talwar Gujjar]

The behavior of PMLN ministers/MNAs doesnt surprise me, because they are looking to 'up' their careers on the back of Sharifs.....but what surprises, rather saddens me, is the response of PMLN followers. i dont mind if you continue to follow PMLN ideology. But lets at least call a spade a spade.
The PM is under virtual investigation for financial crimes, and there was a huge huge debate in the assembly today. The national TV has become a lame tool in the hands of the govt....specially with its beggar MD.

Wow, financial crimes, give me a break--when did doing a business with your own money become a crime? You think we should start following a heckler!!!

 

[Will_Bite]

Wow, financial crimes, give me a break--when did doing a business with your own money become a crime? You think we should start following a heckler!!!

If its his own money, then being such a huge business owner, surely they would have maintained financial records and statements which testify to the profits and revenues of each year, for the past 30 years or so. Lets see those, and get it over with.
If the money transfer was legitimately done, lets see the State Bank transaction records, and get it over with.
Ayein bayein shayein is not enough.

 

[Talwar Gujjar]

If its his own money, then being such a huge business owner, surely they would have maintained financial records and statements which testify to the profits and revenues of each year, for the past 30 years or so. Lets see those, and get it over with.
If the money transfer was legitimately done, lets see the State Bank transaction records, and get it over with.
Ayein bayein shayein is not enough.

Didn't Musharraf investigate them with full might for as long as he wanted and could not bring out anything. How can you go after the money that was made in Saudia and invested in London. Those Sharif kids cannot even be made to appear before a court, because they are living abroad. Why don't you investigate their property in Pakistan where your law and authority have a reach and may even be able to pin something on them

 

[Will_Bite]

Didn't Musharraf investigate them with full might for as long as he wanted and could not bring out anything. How can you go after the money that was made in Saudia and invested in London. Those Sharif kids cannot even be made to appear before a court, because they are living abroad. Why don't you investigate their property in Pakistan where your law and authority have a reach and may even be able to pin something on them

1. Musharraf's investigation resulted in a signed affidavit by Ishaq Dar. Im sure you have read that. He admitted to everything. Sharifs even paid an $8 million fine.
2. I think that you should understand now that diversion tactics have failed. The silly argument made by Hussain Nawaz claiming that he took loans in Saudi, and make so much profit in 2 years that not only did he pay off the loans, but also bought property worth millions in the UK is absurd at best. The Panama papers have concretely proven that the property in question was bought in the 90s.
3. There is a London court judgement againnst the Sharif brothers from 1998, of a loan default, in which the court has noted this so called property bought in 2006, as the Sharifs property.

So essentially, since it has been proven that the properties were bought in the 90s, hence money was sent from Pakistan, NOT Saudi. Since it was sent from Pakistan, either it was sent legally through the State Bank, or illegally, through Hundi.
I give Sharifs the benefit of doubt that they sent it through the State Bank. Now lets see the transaction records and prove it once and for all, so that money laundering allegations are quashed forever.

 

[Talwar Gujjar]

1. Musharraf's investigation resulted in a signed affidavit by Ishaq Dar. Im sure you have read that. He admitted to everything. Sharifs even paid an $8 million fine.
2. I think that you should understand now that diversion tactics have failed. The silly argument made by Hussain Nawaz claiming that he took loans in Saudi, and make so much profit in 2 years that not only did he pay off the loans, but also bought property worth millions in the UK is absurd at best. The Panama papers have concretely proven that the property in question was bought in the 90s.
3. There is a London court judgement againnst the Sharif brothers from 1998, of a loan default, in which the court has noted this so called property bought in 2006, as the Sharifs property.

So essentially, since it has been proven that the properties were bought in the 90s, hence money was sent from Pakistan, NOT Saudi. Since it was sent from Pakistan, either it was sent legally through the State Bank, or illegally, through Hundi.
I give Sharifs the benefit of doubt that they sent it through the State Bank. Now lets see the transaction records and prove it once and for all, so that money laundering allegations are quashed forever.

Dar's affidavit has been quashed by Lahore High Court.
90's property is just a flat or two for their residence, several other Pakistani politicians own similar property, Musharraf may have already investigated that.

Commercial rental property was acquired around 2006 which will be hard to uncouple from Saudi earnings.

Nothing is proven, it is mostly innuendo, is already losing steam, almost dead.

 

[Will_Bite]

Dar's affidavit has been quashed by Lahore High Court.
90's property is just a flat or two for their residence, several other Pakistani politicians own similar property, Musharraf may have already investigated that.

Commercial rental property was acquired around 2006 which will be hard to uncouple from Saudi earnings.

Nothing is proven, it is mostly innuendo, is already losing steam, almost dead.

Affidavit was not quashed by any court. It cannot be quashed legally. (the senator's deposition was an 'irrevocable statement' as had been recorded under section 164 of the Criminal Procedure Code (CrPC).) Its just that under a Sharif govt, its impossible for it to be admitted in any case, for obvious reasons.

Perhaps you have not seen the judgement of the London Crown Court. The list of residences is the same as it is now. Parklane Apartments and Avenfield House.
Funnily enough, in an interview to the Guardian, Sharif had said back in 2000 that those apartments were bought for his kids while they were studying in London. The other day Tariq Fazal Ch. was claiming those apartments were rented by the Sharifs, until they bought them in 2006.

Commercial property which is under the use of the real estate firm (buy, renovate, sell) is a totally different issue. That part has not even been discussed, and yes, that may have been from Saudi proceeds. But the issue here is about the Park lane apts, their ownership, and date of purchase.

Now that you have admitted that they bought property in the 90s (flat or two for their residence), surely the Sharifs would have transaction records through which they sent the money to London.

And you or the PMLN can pacify itself by claiming it is losing steam, but remember that this is just the tip of the iceberg. Entire Panama docs have not been detailed as yet. Just yesterday, 200 US citizen's names came up. So its a slow process...a huge leak. MOre stuff will come.
I would like to see PMLNs reaction if something relating to zardari, or say Imran, or anyone related to PTI, comes out.

 

[Talwar Gujjar]

Affidavit was not quashed by any court. It cannot be quashed legally. (the senator's deposition was an 'irrevocable statement' as had been recorded under section 164 of the Criminal Procedure Code (CrPC).) Its just that under a Sharif govt, its impossible for it to be admitted in any case, for obvious reasons.

Perhaps you have not seen the judgement of the London Crown Court. The list of residences is the same as it is now. Parklane Apartments and Avenfield House.
Funnily enough, in an interview to the Guardian, Sharif had said back in 2000 that those apartments were bought for his kids while they were studying in London. The other day Tariq Fazal Ch. was claiming those apartments were rented by the Sharifs, until they bought them in 2006.

Commercial property which is under the use of the real estate firm (buy, renovate, sell) is a totally different issue. That part has not even been discussed, and yes, that may have been from Saudi proceeds. But the issue here is about the Park lane apts, their ownership, and date of purchase.

Now that you have admitted that they bought property in the 90s (flat or two for their residence), surely the Sharifs would have transaction records through which they sent the money to London.

And you or the PMLN can pacify itself by claiming it is losing steam, but remember that this is just the tip of the iceberg. Entire Panama docs have not been detailed as yet. Just yesterday, 200 US citizen's names came up. So its a slow process...a huge leak. MOre stuff will come.
I would like to see PMLNs reaction if something relating to zardari, or say Imran, or anyone related to PTI, comes out.

Bhaee acha hua aap ne bata dia. Shareefoon k ultay kaam hein. Yaani inhoun ne pehlay chori k pesoon se apna rehaeshi apartment xreeda, pir asli pesoon se karobaar k liey property xareedi. Aur voh ger-qanoni kaam k kagzaat le ja k Panama mein rakh diey jo ab milay hein. Tab h main kahoon yeh Musharraf ne unko kion chor dia, becharay ko kagaz h nahein milay tau kia karta. Agar aap na batatay tau mein yahee samajta k Panama se Shariffon k ger-qanooni pesey pakray gaey hein, halanke vo pesey nahein kagzaat the.

Aur bhaee vo muj se galti hau gaey mein kahein admit kia Sharifoon k saray kalay dhanday mein ne kiey, vesey h zra aapko impress karnay k liey chor raha tha. Ab mujay Panama Police k hawalay na kar dena. Ab aap k mukablay mein meri chornion k kia hasiat!!!

 

[Will_Bite]

Bhaee acha hua aap ne bata dia. Shareefoon k ultay kaam hein. Yaani inhoun ne pehlay chori k pesoon se apna rehaeshi apartment xreeda, pir asli pesoon se karobaar k liey property xareedi. Aur voh ger-qanoni kaam k kagzaat le ja k Panama mein rakh diey jo ab milay hein. Tab h main kahoon yeh Musharraf ne unko kion chor dia, becharay ko kagaz h nahein milay tau kia karta. Agar aap na batatay tau mein yahee samajta k Panama se Shariffon k ger-qanooni pesey pakray gaey hein, halanke vo pesey nahein kagzaat the.

Aur bhaee vo muj se galti hau gaey mein kahein admit kia Sharifoon k saray kalay dhanday mein ne kiey, vesey h zra aapko impress karnay k liey chor raha tha. Ab mujay Panama Police k hawalay na kar dena. Ab aap k mukablay mein meri chornion k kia hasiat!!!

بس کر دو بھائی. اپنے آپ کو ٹارچر نہ کرو. نون لیگ کے لوگوں کو دیکھ کے آج کل ترس آ رہا ہے.

پورا بکھیرا اس بات کا ہے کہ یہ اربوں ڈالر کہاں سے گئے.
...........اگر سعودی سے گئے، تو ہمارا اس سے کچھ لینا دینا نہیں
...........اگر اف شور کمپنی میں پیسے رکھ کر کوئی جرم کر رہے ہیں، تو وہ برطانیہ کی حکومت کا سر درد ہے...ہمارا نہیں.
مسلہ یہ ہے کہ حسین نواز کا حامد میر اور جاوید چودھری کو دیا ہوا انٹرویو اس کے لئے سر درد بن گیا ہے. اور ان پانامہ دستاویزات سے جھوٹ ثابت ہو چکا ہے
دستاویزات کے مطابق یہ پراپرٹی ٩٠ کی دہائی میں خریدی گیئ تھی.
...........سوال تو صرف اتنا سا ہے کہ ٩٠ کی دہائی میں تو کوئی سعودی سٹیل مل نہیں تھی. تو ظاہر ہے پیسا پاکستان سے بھیجا گیا.
............تو شریف صاحب رسیدیں دکھا کے معاملہ ختم کریں

مسلہ صرف اتنا ہے کہ ہنڈی کی کوئی رسید نہیں ہوتی

 

[Talwar Gujjar]

بس کر دو بھائی. اپنے آپ کو ٹارچر نہ کرو. نون لیگ کے لوگوں کو دیکھ کے آج کل ترس آ رہا ہے.

پورا بکھیرا اس بات کا ہے کہ یہ اربوں ڈالر کہاں سے گئے.
...........اگر سعودی سے گئے، تو ہمارا اس سے کچھ لینا دینا نہیں
...........اگر اف شور کمپنی میں پیسے رکھ کر کوئی جرم کر رہے ہیں، تو وہ برطانیہ کی حکومت کا سر درد ہے...ہمارا نہیں.
مسلہ یہ ہے کہ حسین نواز کا حامد میر اور جاوید چودھری کو دیا ہوا انٹرویو اس کے لئے سر درد بن گیا ہے. اور ان پانامہ دستاویزات سے جھوٹ ثابت ہو چکا ہے
دستاویزات کے مطابق یہ پراپرٹی ٩٠ کی دہائی میں خریدی گیئ تھی.
...........سوال تو صرف اتنا سا ہے کہ ٩٠ کی دہائی میں تو کوئی سعودی سٹیل مل نہیں تھی. تو ظاہر ہے پیسا پاکستان سے بھیجا گیا.
............تو شریف صاحب رسیدیں دکھا کے معاملہ ختم کریں

مسلہ صرف اتنا ہے کہ ہنڈی کی کوئی رسید نہیں ہوتی

Yeh kia Sharifoon k rehaeshi apartment arboon dollar k ha. Tau inhouun ne arboon dollar beger raseed k paar kar diey. Voh Panama papers mein kia raseed naheen mili, tau pir mila kia. Aaap tau keh rahey the sab sabit hau gia.

 

[Lann57]

why worry appoint one Justice Inquiry Commission headed by Justice Hameed ur Rehman scruplesly Honest. Undisputed honorable judge. Will they do it big NO. Javed is also a dicey person who shouts like an illiterate man.

 

[Will_Bite]

Yeh kia Sharifoon k rehaeshi apartment arboon dollar k ha. Tau inhouun ne arboon dollar beger raseed k paar kar diey. Voh Panama papers mein kia raseed naheen mili, tau pir mila kia. Aaap tau keh rahey the sab sabit hau gia.

Circumstantial evidence proves his guilt beyond doubt. Its just a matter of finding that transaction record from State Bank (which doesnt exist).
And the 'arbon dollar' you are talking about is not a joke. Remember the little matter of loan default judgement against them in London? That was a $38 million judgment, which they paid. Where did that money come from? Nope, not Saudi!

Bhai merey...its a huge pandora's box. The entire 90s for the Sharifs is filled with money laundering, whcih is why they will die before letting anyone touch it. PRoofs are already there. We just need a judge with a spine.

 

[Talwar Gujjar]

Circumstantial evidence proves his guilt beyond doubt. Its just a matter of finding that transaction record from State Bank (which doesnt exist).
And the 'arbon dollar' you are talking about is not a joke. Remember the little matter of loan default judgement against them in London? That was a $38 million judgment, which they paid. Where did that money come from? Nope, not Saudi!

Bhai merey...its a huge pandora's box. The entire 90s for the Sharifs is filled with money laundering, whcih is why they will die before letting anyone touch it. PRoofs are already there. We just need a judge with a spine.

I have to agree, if you find a receipt (I mean some sort of a record of their crime) and a Judge (of any kind but of your choice), you could easily put them away, and then it will be a real party time.

 

[Will_Bite]

I have to agree, if you find a receipt (I mean some sort of a record of their crime) and a Judge (of any kind but of your choice), you could easily put them away, and then it will be a real party time.

I guess this is what they call living in denial.

There is no receipt for money laundering, and that is what may ultimately be Sharif's undoing. I guess the good thing (so far) for noon is that the Shahbaz side of the family hasnt been implicated in anything as yet. So they are probably waiting around like vultures, for NS to twiddle off so that SS can be the next PM, and HS can be the crown prince.

 

[Talwar Gujjar]

I guess this is what they call living in denial.

There is no receipt for money laundering, and that is what may ultimately be Sharif's undoing. I guess the good thing (so far) for noon is that the Shahbaz side of the family hasnt been implicated in anything as yet. So they are probably waiting around like vultures, for NS to twiddle off so that SS can be the next PM, and HS can be the crown prince.

Gazab Khuda k, yeh sab kuch karnay k bawjood, hukumat pir b Shrifoon k rahey g. Mera tau xial tha hukumat fori taur p Bharak Khan ko muntaqil ho g. Kahein yeh gaploon, leaks veaks ka chakkar xud Sharifoon k tau nahein chlaya hua.

 

[Will_Bite]

Gazab Khuda k, yeh sab kuch karnay k bawjood, hukumat pir b Shrifoon k rahey g. Mera tau xial tha hukumat fori taur p Bharak Khan ko muntaqil ho g. Kahein yeh gaploon, leaks veaks ka chakkar xud Sharifoon k tau nahein chlaya hua.

nahi sir g........hukoomat is not going to fall because of this. This is a family crime of the Shrif family, not a govt crime. But NS can certainly be disqualified, so I wouldnt be surprised if he resigns pre-emptively, and PMLN brings in a replacement PM. khush raho.