New wave of Drone Attacks is Coming..

EniGma90

Minister (2k+ posts)
Guys Be ready for more sit-in and Processions. :angry_smile::angry_smile:

http://www.pakistankakhudahafiz.com/2011/04/29/12637/

Petraeus Appointment Could Inflame Relations With Pakistan

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan The appointment of Gen. David H. Petraeus as director of the Central Intelligence Agency puts him more squarely than ever in conflict with Pakistan, whose military leadership does not regard him as a friend and where he will now have direct control over the armed drone campaign that the Pakistani military says it wants stopped.

Pakistani and American officials said that General Petraeuss selection could further inflame relations between the two nations, which are already at one of their lowest points, with recriminations over myriad issues aired publicly like never before.

The usually secretive leader of the Pakistani Army, Gen. Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, has made little secret of his distaste for General Petraeus, calling him a political general. General Petraeus has privately expressed outrage at what American officials say is the Pakistani main spy agencys most blatant support yet for fighters based in Pakistan who are carrying out attacks against American troops in Afghanistan.

Officials on both sides say they expect the two nations relationship to become increasingly adversarial as they maneuver the endgame in Afghanistan, where Pakistan and the United States have deep and conflicting security interests.

Repairing the frayed ties between the C.I.A. and Pakistans primary spy agency, the Inter-Services Intelligence Directorate, will be difficult, American officials say. In its current form, the relationship is almost unworkable, said Dennis C. Blair, a former American director of national intelligence. There has to be a major restructuring. The ISI jams the C.I.A. all it wants and pays no penalties.

One top adviser to General Petraeus sought to play down the animosity with Pakistani officials, noting that the general had regularly met with the Pakistanis for nearly three years, most recently on Monday. Still, the adviser acknowledged that with General Petraeus leading the C.I.A., the pressure may be more strategic, deliberate and focused to the extent that it can be.

A Pakistani official described the mounting tensions as a game of brinkmanship, with both Adm. Mike Mullen, who as chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff has been the Obama administrations point man on Pakistan policy, and General Kayani growing impatient because they have little to show for the many hours they have invested during more than two dozen visits over the past three years.

Admiral Mullen surprised Pakistani officials by publicly accusing the ISI of sheltering fighters from the Haqqani network, a Taliban ally that has long served as a proxy for Pakistans military and intelligence establishment in Afghanistan. American commanders in eastern Afghanistan say they have killed or captured more than 5,000 militants in the past year, but fighters continue to pour across the border from sanctuaries in Pakistan to Paktia, Khost and Paktika Provinces in Afghanistan.

In a private meeting here in Islamabad last week, Admiral Mullen told General Kayani that the C.I.A. would not reduce the drone strikes until Pakistan launched a military operation against the Haqqani network in Pakistans tribal areas, an American official said, pleas that the admiral has been making for the past two years with nothing to show for them.

Pakistans military and its intelligence agency are increasingly embarrassed by the United States drone campaign, which they publicly condemn but quietly allow. They have asked the C.I.A. to remove its personnel from Shamsi air base, about 200 miles southwest of Quetta, the capital of Baluchistan Province, where some of the drones are based, a senior American official said.

The withdrawal has not occurred but is expected soon, the official said. The drone attacks would then be flown out of Afghanistan, where some of them are already based, the official said.

There have also been sharp disagreements over a proposed code of conduct that would define what American soldiers and intelligence agents can do in Pakistani territory, a Pakistani official said. The Pakistanis have, for now, dropped the idea of such an accord, fearing that the Americans are looking for legal cover for intelligence operatives like Raymond A. Davis, the C.I.A. contractor who killed two Pakistanis in January, a Pakistani official said.

The relationship between the two countries is very tense right now, said Representative William M. Thornberry of Texas, a senior Republican on the House Armed Services Committee, who visited Pakistan last week. And the Pakistan government fuels the anti-American public opinion to increase pressure on us.

Newly disclosed documents obtained by WikiLeaks have also stoked tensions. One of them, from the prison at Guantnamo Bay, Cuba, lists the ISI along with numerous militant groups as allies of Al Qaeda and the Taliban, an indication of how deep American suspicions run when it comes to Pakistani intelligence. The document is undated but appears to be from 2007 or 2008.

A former general said the alliance established after 9/11 to get rid of Al Qaeda on Pakistani soil was built on shaky ground, with few aligning interests beyond stopping the terrorist group. Tensions over issues big and small like accounting for American grants to the Pakistani military and the failure of the United States to deliver helicopters that would help in counterterrorism efforts clouded the hastily arranged alliance from the start, he said.

But now the collision of interests over how to end the war in Afghanistan, and the bitterness over the Davis affair, have exposed deep-seated differences, he said.

The drone campaign, which the C.I.A. has run against militants in Pakistans tribal areas since 2004, will now become the preserve of General Petraeus, and it has moved to center stage, at least for the Pakistanis. Since Mr. Daviss release from custody in Pakistan after the killings, the C.I.A. has carried out three drone attacks, each one seemingly tied to sensitive events in the United States-Pakistan relationship and aimed at Afghan Taliban militants that Pakistan shelters.

The day after Admiral Mullen left Pakistan last week, a drone attack in North Waziristan killed 23 people associated with Hafiz Gul Barhadur, whose forces are fighting NATO in Afghanistan. Earlier in April, after Lt. Gen. Ahmad Shuja Pasha, the ISI chief, left Washington, a drone attacked another group of Afghan Taliban.

Another former Pakistani general who speaks to General Kayani said he believed that the Pakistan Armys leader had concluded that the drone campaign should end because it hurt the armys reputation among the Pakistani public. Those being killed by the drones are of midlevel or even lesser importance, the general said.

The Americans say the drones are more important than ever as a tool to stanch the flow of Taliban foot soldiers coming across the border to fight American and NATO forces.

The easy access into Afghanistan was on full display last week in Wana, the main town of South Waziristan, according to a local resident.

There, militants loyal to Maulvi Nazir, a Taliban leader who maintains a peace agreement with the Pakistani military and whose forces often cross into Afghanistan, showed high morale and were moving around freely in front of the Pakistani Army, the resident said. It looked, he said, as though the army was giving them a free hand.

Source NY Times
 
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terex

Guest
I am suspecting that if pakistan doesnt support america in bringing down haqanni network and othe taliban patrons,pakistan might have to pay big price for it !!

Americans are 1000 times stronger than pakistan...So its pakistan interests to forget about creating strategic interests in afganistan in future and be sincere in WOT!!
 

jaanmark

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Allah make this man Gen. David H. Petraeus paraless and total powerless,healthless and familyless and lifeless Ameen
 
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terex

Guest
Allah make this man Gen. David H. Petraeus paraless and total powerless,healthless and familyless and lifeless Ameen


Buddhhu!!american policy wont change..they will get another petraeus!!
i wish that pakistan media and imran khan stop highlighting drones issues...problem must be accepted that :militants from pakistan side of border are intruding into afganistan.americans have waited 2 years and if no actions are done in limited time,then be ready for battle with United states of america!!

Their defence is 5times stronger than russia,10 times stronger than china!!
No one can challenge them...but its time paksitan politicians ,army,isi accept their role to curb the taliban from frontier and remove all confusion from people minds!!

Since politicians cant do all these due to vote banks politics,army(isi) should explain it to public !!
 

mt_dilber

MPA (400+ posts)
I am suspecting that if pakistan doesnt support america in bringing down haqanni network and othe taliban patrons,pakistan might have to pay big price for it !!

Americans are 1000 times stronger than pakistan...So its pakistan interests to forget about creating strategic interests in afganistan in future and be sincere in WOT!!


i dont think so...since pakistan controls NATO supply line. ISI is not foolish..they will show hidden cards on right time. Soveit Union was also world's only super power and 1000 times stronger but whole world watched what ISI did to them.One way or other, US will accept Pakistan's leading role in Afghanistan, IMF has also announced that american fianancial status is falling rapidly and China is going to be next power. so it is nothing but a far cry . ''shamma bujhnay se pehlay pharparati to hai na'' :)
 

hans

Banned
Dear Terex, dont weep for us, we Pakistani are in for an Armageddon....

If we win, We shall be the most powerful nation on the face of this earth.. if not then remember Dear Saddam Bhai. Remember the same fellow who originated Mother of all Wars, What is left now is the Dry arid wind blowing shifting Sand dunes, and Rustic cage of T-72 Tanks burned by
thermite.

Lets roll out our 10 million Jawans out on to the battle field. Problem is .... the enemy is around
12,357 km away..... and dam ! fuel cost is so high.
 
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mt_dilber

MPA (400+ posts)
Their defence is 5times stronger than russia,10 times stronger than china!!
No one can challenge them...


It is just a wrong perception created by 'Rambo style' Hollywood movies. In reality they will fights for 11 years to kill one or two men in a poorest country of the world but still fail. US military is just a bunch of overconfident generals. :)
 

Mansoor Khan

Senator (1k+ posts)
thanks for good advices terex but if america wants to do drone attack on islamabad then also u l allow them if they want their army to come and fight in karachi then what will u say?
 

SalmanKhanN

MPA (400+ posts)
Lol, why are some people so scared of US..its about playing our cards rite..US cannot afford to go on war with pakistan..they cannot even control unorganized taliban..how can they deal with our army..Fear Allah alone..not US..
 

EniGma90

Minister (2k+ posts)
First of All it wasn't purely ISI behind soviet destruction, All anti-communism forces were with Pak at that time not only morally but in terms of money and weapons as well. Role of CIA is not hidden from any one and we used "Jihad"" phenomena against them. Now things in 2011 are completely different

1) Same "Jihad'' phenomena is working against Pakistan this tym.
2) Nato and USA continuously blaming Pakistan for supporting terrorist in Afghanistan. (same kind of propaganda they did against Iraq)
3) We are just lyk a sandwich right now b/w Talibans and Nato.
4) Strategically Pakistan as a country cannot survive a long term conventional warfare (Not Gorilla warfare, we r witnessing in Iraq)
5) Only Issue is Nato supply, Thats Y i said that there will be an increase in drones bcoz US can't afford a full scale warfare and we can't afford to leave US's blog. So we have to face both TTP's terrorism and US's drones and may be a new military operation in Waziristan
 

rakeem

Senator (1k+ posts)
I am suspecting that if pakistan doesnt support america in bringing down haqanni network and othe taliban patrons,pakistan might have to pay big price for it !!

Americans are 1000 times stronger than pakistan...So its pakistan interests to forget about creating strategic interests in afganistan in future and be sincere in WOT!!

PAkistan has already paid a big price for owning up someone else's war, US wishes to dismantle any institutional functions left in Pakistan, and slowly but surely they'll achieve it if PAk army stays on this suicide mission. US 1000 times stronger rhetoric fails as US has become the nation that owes most debt to China. Syria, Iran staying on and somehow holding some stability. US is on a turf that has swallowed major empires, US's fate won't be different if they don't cut and run.
 

Narcissist

Banned

If US war against us starts, this is our moment of truth. We stand no chance. This time US is coming behind nuclear weapons of Pakistan. Let us see what happens....indeed quite time is ahead for the state of Pakistan. As Arab nations are in their own political mess, so there would be no moral support even from any where.
 

GeoG

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Dear Terex, dont weep for us, we Pakistani are in for an Armageddon....

If we win, We shall be the most powerful nation on the face of this earth.. if not then remember Dear Saddam Bhai. Remember the same fellow who originated Mother of all Wars, What is left now is the Dry arid wind blowing shifting Sand dunes, and Rustic cage of T-72 Tanks burned by
thermite.

Lets roll out our 10 million Jawans out on to the battle field. Problem is .... the enemy is around
12,357 km away..... and dam ! fuel cost is so high.


haha time to build some credibility again
won't last, I assure you....
 

GeoG

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Buddhhu!!american policy wont change..they will get another petraeus!!
i wish that pakistan media and imran khan stop highlighting drones issues...problem must be accepted that :militants from pakistan side of border are intruding into afganistan.americans have waited 2 years and if no actions are done in limited time,then be ready for battle with United states of america!!

Their defence is 5times stronger than russia,10 times stronger than china!!
No one can challenge them...but its time paksitan politicians ,army,isi accept their role to curb the taliban from frontier and remove all confusion from people minds!!

Since politicians cant do all these due to vote banks politics,army(isi) should explain it to public !!

Don't you come from the nation who recycle their urine by drinking it
Go preach somewhere who don't know your reality, we have ruled you 1000 years, giving you a break, enjoy it while it lasts before obeying us again for another thousand years.....
 

zeshaan

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
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What is this,Are we sleeping,
Do more and get nothing but killed?

http://www.jasarat.com/epaper/mmdetails.php?date=30-04-2011&file=03&category=nation
 
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begubaba

Voter (50+ posts)
Allah Pak ne Abraha, Namrood, Firoon, Shaddad, Haman, Mushrikeen e Makkah ke qisse Quran Shareef mein tafseel se
bata diye hain, ab ye hamari duty ha k hm Kuffar k talwe chaten ya apne Allah SWT k samne Jhuk kar jahanon ki kamyabi
ko pa lein.
 

EniGma90

Minister (2k+ posts)
Divorce nahi hogi but separation kay chances hayn, 5 member delegation of Armed forces is meeting today with their US's counterparts. Hope this is a decisive meeting for future relation b/w US-Pak