Nation's unflinching faith on armed forces is our real asset: COAS

sab_tamasha_hai

Minister (2k+ posts)
Punjab is also part of Pakistan...
Operation has already started in Punjab. He very cleverly used divide and conquer technique, whereby taking MQM first followed by PPP and now PML(N). If he would have started all together "Jamooriyat khatra main parh jati" ...
 

Zaidi Qasim

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Operation has already started in Punjab. He very cleverly used divide and conquer technique, whereby taking MQM first followed by PPP and now PML(N). If he would have started all together "Jamooriyat khatra main parh jati" ...

This fake reformer and thug has taken the whole nation on ride. The b a s t a r d Musharraf has run away successfully under the protection of this Maniac. The corrupt Ex Generals who were being dealt with in the civilian courts , were taken off from there and the fake military courts allowed them to keep their stolen wealth and get retirement from the armed forces without spending a day in prison. The old mafia of the corrupt bunch of Generals thrived under him .....



 

sab_tamasha_hai

Minister (2k+ posts)

This fake reformer and thug has taken the whole nation on ride. The b a s t a r d Musharraf has run away successfully under the protection of this Maniac. The corrupt Ex Generals who were being dealt with in the civilian courts , were taken off from there and the fake military courts allowed them to keep their stolen wealth and get retirement from the armed forces without spending a day in prison. The old mafia of the corrupt bunch of Generals thrived under him .....



Musharaf left because govt does not have guts to stand up. If they had they would have told in plain simple words "NO" to anyone who wants to fight Musharaf case.
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The corrupt Ex Generals who were being dealt with in the civilian courts , were taken off from there and the fake military courts allowed them to keep their stolen wealth and get retirement from the armed forces without spending a day in prison.

This is completely untrue and biased comment from you. Military courts do not have jurisdiction over corruption cases. They can only process cases of terrorism. Give me one example of this ?

 

Zaidi Qasim

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Musharaf left because govt does not have guts to stand up. If they had they would have told in plain simple words "NO" to anyone who wants to fight Musharaf case.
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The corrupt Ex Generals who were being dealt with in the civilian courts , were taken off from there and the fake military courts allowed them to keep their stolen wealth and get retirement from the armed forces without spending a day in prison.

This is completely untrue and biased comment from you. Military courts do not have jurisdiction over corruption cases. They can only process cases of terrorism. Give me one example of this ?



You may have born yesterday , but I am around for some time. The fugitive General Musharraf had full support of the corrupt Generals and they were all behind his a s s to protect their own rear ends . The whole Pakistan has seen the Circus of this General who was fully protected by the Army and even in the events of his presence to the courts, were given full advised. Once the moron even hid inside the Army Hospital In Rawalpindi and no one was allowed to enter to arrest the corrupt. If you think the Army didn't play any role of his story and not forced the Government to let him go, you must be given a medal of illiteracy and naivety.

As far as the two other corrupt army generals and their punishment, follow the NLC case and you will find what kind of hurdles were placed in the civilian authorities to hinder the investigation of the corrupt Generals. The were brought back in to the military courts even after their retirement and then they slap their wrist and let them go. No one was sent to prison even for a day after being found guilty ,their properties were not confiscated and they were allowed to keep the looted money . You need to get your facts together .

http://tribune.com.pk/story/432855/...ivilians-and-ex-generals-face-different-laws/
 
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sab_tamasha_hai

Minister (2k+ posts)
You may have born yesterday , but I am around for some time. The fugitive General Musharraf had full support of the corrupt Generals and they were all behind his a s s to protect their own rear ends . The whole Pakistan has seen the Circus of this General who was fully protected by the Army and even in the events of his presence to the courts, were given full advised. Once the moron even hid inside the Army Hospital In Rawalpindi and no one was allowed to enter to arrest the corrupt. If you think the Army didn't play any role of his story and not forced the Government to let him go, you must be given a medal of illiteracy and naivety.

As far as the two other corrupt army generals and their punishment, follow the NLC case and you will find what kind of hurdles were placed in the civilian authorities to hinder the investigation of the corrupt Generals. The were brought back in to the military courts even after their retirement and then they slap their wrist and let them go. No one was sent to prison even for a day after being found guilty ,their properties were not confiscated and they were allowed to keep the looted money . You need to get your facts together .

http://tribune.com.pk/story/432855/...ivilians-and-ex-generals-face-different-laws/

Who was born when is not topic of discussion. Lets get back to where we started. I am in no denial that Musharaf has committed crimes and must be punished. If Army was on back of him, I dont think Ch Nisar who other day mentioned that Army is not targeted by media would had any problems saying we were helpless against Armed forces and had to letgo Musharaf. Amry might be one player but there are many who wants him out of country including judiciary and corrupt politicians who were part and parcel of his NRO.

Coming to your article. It would have saved me and you time, if you would have read it before posting it.

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So far, the NAB chairman has held three meetings with Chief of Army Staff General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani but the army chief did not agree to the trial of ex-generals under civilian laws, Shah added."
 

Zaidi Qasim

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Who was born when is not topic of discussion. Lets get back to where we started. I am in no denial that Musharaf has committed crimes and must be punished. If Army was on back of him, I dont think Ch Nisar who other day mentioned that Army is not targeted by media would had any problems saying we were helpless against Armed forces and had to letgo Musharaf. Amry might be one player but there are many who wants him out of country including judiciary and corrupt politicians who were part and parcel of his NRO.

Coming to your article. It would have saved me and you time, if you would have read it before posting it.

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So far, the NAB chairman has held three meetings with Chief of Army Staff General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani but the army chief did not agree to the trial of ex-generals under civilian laws, Shah added."

" Army might be one player " I can't stop laughing ... The Army is the main player. The mess these corrupt generals created has been shifted from one COAS to another. Kiyani was culprit but people like you would not have said that while he was the commander of the Army. You have a bit time to read what the article is all about. It points to the hypocrisy of the Army Institution as a whole and not only Kiyani. when It comes to the Budgetary expenses, the Army declares their retiree as Civilians. But when It comes to the finding and punishing the corrupts who were retired, Army indicts them , bring them back in to as Military Personals and the fake kangaroo courts are formed to protect them from the real punishment.

The punishment for those corrupts Generals who were found guilty of corruption of high nature would have been severe if they were tried in civilian courts. It tells you the attitude of these army Goons and their way of life. They consider themselves above the law and you will find lots of Yehyas, Musharraf and Niazis are being protected right through the history of this institution.
 
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sab_tamasha_hai

Minister (2k+ posts)
" Army might be one player " I can't stop laughing ... The Army is the main player. The mess these corrupt generals created has been shifted from one COAS to another. Kiyani was culprit but people like you would not have said that while he was the commander of the Army. You have a bit time to read what the article is all about. It points to the hypocrisy of the Army Institution as a whole and not only Kiyani. when It comes to the Budgetary expenses, the Army declares their retiree as Civilians. But when It comes to the finding and punishing the corrupts who were retired, Army indicts them , bring them back in to as Military Personals and the fake kangaroo courts are formed to protect them from the real punishment.

The punishment for those corrupts Generals who were found guilty of corruption of high nature would have been severe if they were tried in civilian courts. It tells you the attitude of these army Goons and their way of life. They consider themselves above the law and you will find lots of Yehyas, Musharraf and Niazis are being protected right through the history of this institution.

Again stop judging me and remain intact to topic, if you want a healthy discussion. I can also hurl baseless comments about your age or mental level but I dont want to stoop too low.
The discussion started by you and other commenter hurling baseless comments on Raheel Shareef and I said he is the one who brought normalcy to country. We are pre-2009 era is terrorism at the moment. The fact that RS had many opportunities to get into power and he resisted that had enough for me to respect him. You are blaming failure of all state institution to Army. The bigotry is in highlighting why the corrupt were never tried weather is General, politician or a Judge.

Only Army is not causing loot and plunder. How many politicians do you know, who are ever tried ? If your civilian judiciary works so well.

What about Judiciary itself ? Remember Arsalan Ifitikhar ? Police officer ? .... The answer is very close to none... Why ???? Now read this and eat ****
http://tribune.com.pk/story/932790/army-sentences-two-retired-generals-for-rs4b-nlc-scam/

Peace out
 

Zaidi Qasim

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Again stop judging me and remain intact to topic, if you want a healthy discussion. I can also hurl baseless comments about your age or mental level but I dont want to stoop too low.
The discussion started by you and other commenter hurling baseless comments on Raheel Shareef and I said he is the one who brought normalcy to country. We are pre-2009 era is terrorism at the moment. The fact that RS had many opportunities to get into power and he resisted that had enough for me to respect him. You are blaming failure of all state institution to Army. The bigotry is in highlighting why the corrupt were never tried weather is General, politician or a Judge.

Only Army is not causing loot and plunder. How many politicians do you know, who are ever tried ? If your civilian judiciary works so well.

What about Judiciary itself ? Remember Arsalan Ifitikhar ? Police officer ? .... The answer is very close to none... Why ???? Now read this and eat ****
http://tribune.com.pk/story/932790/army-sentences-two-retired-generals-for-rs4b-nlc-scam/

Peace out

You are among many other Pakistani who are trying to convince us that Army and its current generals are generous because they have not taken away the Government by the barrel of the gun . This argument itself is showing me intellectual immaturity.

This has been a habit of the natives of this nation that whenever their shortfalls are mentioned, they point the fingers to the others and yell that other are doing the same.

You have basically no argument to defend the filth of last 50 years created by the Army and its corrupt Generals. You are beating the drums of Raheel Sharif and that is fine with me. But don't tell me that this institution has not messed up the whole country and destroy the other institutions . I can start to count many incidents in the history of this nation where the corrupt generals got away without being punished. The link I sent you was the tip of the ice burg. From the forms of Okara to the Raymond Davis and Abbottabad incident, Surrendering of Dhakka and awarding the land to Niazi are only few which can be counted on the finger tips right away. If you can recount any of the responsible were ever brought to the justice.

You blamed me for posting the false information in your first post, you can't even find a courage to admit the blinders made by the corrupt army generals. Raheel sharif is no better than any others. Ever since he was able to sneak the Musharraf through holes and out of the eyes of the nation, I knew the person is full with crap.



 

sab_tamasha_hai

Minister (2k+ posts)
You are among many other Pakistani who are trying to convince us that Army and its current generals are generous because they have not taken away the Government by the barrel of the gun . This argument itself is showing me intellectual immaturity.

This has been a habit of the natives of this nation that whenever their shortfalls are mentioned, they point the fingers to the others and yell that other are doing the same.

You have basically no argument to defend the filth of last 50 years created by the Army and its corrupt Generals. You are beating the drums of Raheel Sharif and that is fine with me. But don't tell me that this institution has not messed up the whole country and destroy the other institutions . I can start to count many incidents in the history of this nation where the corrupt generals got away without being punished. The link I sent you was the tip of the ice burg. From the forms of Okara to the Raymond Davis and Abbottabad incident, Surrendering of Dhakka and awarding the land to Niazi are only few which can be counted on the finger tips right away. If you can recount any of the responsible were ever brought to the justice.

You blamed me for posting the false information in your first post, you can't even find a courage to admit the blinders made by the corrupt army generals. Raheel sharif is no better than any others. Ever since he was able to sneak the Musharraf through holes and out of the eyes of the nation, I knew the person is full with crap.




Where in hell did I mentioned that Army had been pious institute and has been doing wonders for the country when in power. I said Musharaf should be punished for all his crime in a post before that. I am well aware of corruption by Kiyani and his brothers. I know all this history very well. No one, in the right mind can claim that Army has done any wonders when in power. I respect our soldiers protecting us, even laying down their life in wake of security of the country. I personally know few families whose young sons did not make out of waziristan, and a friend who lost his eye in Swat. But I disgust them when Generals come in power and screw us up. In my opinion they should do what their job is and should not cross lines to come in power.

From the very first post I am only admiring Raheel Shareef on his accomplishments. The whole argument started with some calling out Raheel Shareef and then you calling him fake reformer. You are the one who is bringing history in to prospective and completely ignoring Raheel Shareef accomplishments. You talked about NLC scam, and I attached news article that they are punished under Raheel Shareef era. You had no comments about it. Raheel Shareef was able to achieve maximum while staying in his limits and that is why I respect him alot.
 

aneeskhan

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Sharif and Zardari's' have Unflinching faith on armed forces ,Laaannnaat Ho Hum Pe -Jo Eik Paisa Inn Haram Khoron se Wapis Liya Ho - COAS
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Zaidi Qasim

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)

Where in hell did I mentioned that Army had been pious institute and has been doing wonders for the country when in power. I said Musharaf should be punished for all his crime in a post before that. I am well aware of corruption by Kiyani and his brothers. I know all this history very well. No one, in the right mind can claim that Army has done any wonders when in power. I respect our soldiers protecting us, even laying down their life in wake of security of the country. I personally know few families whose young sons did not make out of waziristan, and a friend who lost his eye in Swat. But I disgust them when Generals come in power and screw us up. In my opinion they should do what their job is and should not cross lines to come in power.

From the very first post I am only admiring Raheel Shareef on his accomplishments. The whole argument started with some calling out Raheel Shareef and then you calling him fake reformer. You are the one who is bringing history in to prospective and completely ignoring Raheel Shareef accomplishments. You talked about NLC scam, and
I attached news article that they are punished under Raheel Shareef era. You had no comments about it. Raheel Shareef was able to achieve maximum while staying in his limits and that is why I respect him alot.


You are calling it Punishment ? . Please have some decency and call spade a spade. And that's why I said he is a fake one. Musharraf scape from the article 6 is another punishment, I guess you like about RS.



 

sab_tamasha_hai

Minister (2k+ posts)
Sharif and Zardari's' have Unflinching faith on armed forces ,Laaannnaat Ho Hum Pe -Jo Eik Paisa Inn Haram Khoron se Wapis Liya Ho - COAS


You are calling it Punishment ? . Please have some decency and call spade a spade. And that's why I said he is a fake one. Musharraf scape from the article 6 is another punishment, I guess you like about RS.




I am calling a spade a spade. They are court martialed, do you even know, how is it done. Your badge is stripped infront of entire battalion. Public humiliation for a General, infront of people he commanded . This also means they are not fit for any government job forever. They are made to pay back 25 million pound, that is what they earned through corruption. I asked you earlier and you skipped the entire section, how many big guns (Judiciary, Politician, Police, any other govt) have ever been executed by our noble civil judiciary.

He authorized to investigate Kiyani. A paragraph from Gurdian

"Sharif has also been credited with allowing investigations to proceed against an alleged 3m fraud committed by Elysium Holdings, a company owned by one of General Kayani’s brothers, which is accused of illegally selling certificates for allotments to build houses on land near Islamabad that it did not in fact own.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/aug/06/pakistan-army-shames-generals-misusing-funds

But I guess, you guys wear a spectacle of hate and there is no point of any discussion. If you have any courtesy, you will call a spade a spade.

 
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desan

President (40k+ posts)
People have left beind these lame slogans long time ago...

For now, our generals should worry about Panama Leaks as their names or secrets of their Business Empire may turn up soon.
 

Zaidi Qasim

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
I am calling a spade a spade. They are court martialed, do you even know, how is it done. Your badge is stripped infront of entire battalion. Public humiliation for a General, infront of people he commanded . This also means they are not fit for any government job forever. They are made to pay back 25 million pound, that is what they earned through corruption. I asked you earlier and you skipped the entire section, how many big guns (Judiciary, Politician, Police, any other govt) have ever been executed by our noble civil judiciary.

He authorized to investigate Kiyani. A paragraph from Gurdian

"Sharif has also been credited with allowing investigations to proceed against an alleged 3m fraud committed by Elysium Holdings, a company owned by one of General Kayanis brothers, which is accused of illegally selling certificates for allotments to build houses on land near Islamabad that it did not in fact own.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/aug/06/pakistan-army-shames-generals-misusing-funds

But I guess, you guys wear a spectacle of hate and there is no point of any discussion. If you have any courtesy, you will call a spade a spade.


Again missing the point. Their civilian trials were already in progress. The Military wouldn't help with the public prosecutor to obtain the required documents from the GHQ. They were retired Military Personnel. How the hell you can reinstate them back in to the Army ? . This whole game of smoke and mirror was done in front of the nation. The Punishment was muted. The Military courts never demanded them to spend even a single day in prison. Their offshore wealth was never touched. The meager pension was blocked if they really need that 50,000 per /month after talking a burb of Millions dollar Deal.

Yeah , they were humiliated in front of the underground battalion... as if they real give a **** about them at the first place. The real punishment would have been if they spend the time in prison. Their assets would have been confiscated and the offshore wealth which they accumulated would have brought back in the country. That was the punishment in the civilian courts.


The prime Minister of this country was hanged by the civilians. What else do you need from them ? Give me one example of any General ever punished for the crimes he committed in the history of Pakistan ?



 

Zaidi Qasim

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
People have left beind these lame slogans long time ago...

For now, our generals should worry about Panama Leaks as their names or secrets of their Business Empire may turn up soon.

This breed of corrupts would find a way to deceive this nation of unfortunate people . I see almost on a daily basis the new generation of ex Army officers are buying big houses in foreign land and paying it off cash... The kind of money shifting from Pakistan is unprecedented. The dictator Musharraf played a good game of chess where he placed those corrupt General under noticed to bring them out in the court if this treason trial would have continue to progress against him. That done a miracle for him. All the corrupts got together and eventually found a way to get him out of the country. The Gang Included Judiciary, Politicians and Army Generals.





 

sab_tamasha_hai

Minister (2k+ posts)
Again missing the point. Their civilian trials were already in progress. The Military wouldn't help with the public prosecutor to obtain the required documents from the GHQ. They were retired Military Personnel. How the hell you can reinstate them back in to the Army ? . This whole game of smoke and mirror was done in front of the nation. The Punishment was muted. The Military courts never demanded them to spend even a single day in prison. Their offshore wealth was never touched. The meager pension was blocked if they really need that 50,000 per /month after talking a burb of Millions dollar Deal.

Yeah , they were humiliated in front of the underground battalion... as if they real give a **** about them at the first place. The real punishment would have been if they spend the time in prison. Their assets would have been confiscated and the offshore wealth which they accumulated would have brought back in the country. That was the punishment in the civilian courts.


The prime Minister of this country was hanged by the civilians. What else do you need from them ? Give me one example of any General ever punished for the crimes he committed in the history of Pakistan ?




Look at you being so cute and innocent of not knowing who actually hanged ZAB and for what reason ? If you are man words give me a true example, dont play with words.

I gave you example of two Generals, if you dont agree with the punishment, go to your favorite lady (Asma Jhangeer) and tell her to challenge the decision in SC. She has been doing great job with the help of your beloved judiciary, to release terrorists for many years now. Also, challenging now hangings of hard core terrorists by Military courts which your beloved judiciary failed to do for years.
 
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