Nasrallah: There are no people in Israel, only settlers and occupiers

arifkarim

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Expected such a shallow response.
For a starter, write a critique of Pres. Jimmy Carter's book about Apartheid State.
Simple. Carter says Israeli settlements is the main obstacle to peace. Israel in 2005 uprooted all settlements in Gaza and left the area for Palestinian self rule. It ended with terrorist Hamas winning elections in Gaza next year and immediately started rocket attacks against Israel from the very occupied area Israel vacated in 2005
 

London Bridge

Senator (1k+ posts)
لیکن آج کوئی نہیں کہہ سکتا تھا امریکہ و کینیڈا اس ظلم کی وجہ سے اپنے علاقہ خالی کر دے جیسا مطالبہ اسرائیل سے کیا جاتا ہے۔ وجہ صرف یہودیوں سے نفرت و بغض ہے
پاکستان میں نامزد پہلے اسرائیلی سفیر جناب عارف کریم نے صدر پاکستان جناب عارف علوی کواپنی اسناد پیش کرنے کے بعد ایوان صدر کے باہر صحافیوں سے گفتگو کرتے ہوئے اپنا یہ پہلا سرکاری بیان دیا
 

arifkarim

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
پاکستان میں نامزد پہلے اسرائیلی سفیر جناب عارف کریم نے صدر پاکستان جناب عارف علوی کواپنی اسناد پیش کرنے کے بعد ایوان صدر کے باہر صحافیوں سے گفتگو کرتے ہوئے اپنا یہ پہلا سرکاری بیان دیا
بھارت کشمیریوں اور چین یوغر مسلمانوں پر ظلم کر رہا ہے۔ پہلے وہاں قائم پاکستانی سفارتخانے بند کرو کھوتے
 

London Bridge

Senator (1k+ posts)
بھارت کشمیریوں اور چین یوغر مسلمانوں پر ظلم کر رہا ہے۔ پہلے وہاں قائم پاکستانی سفارتخانے بند کرو کھوتے

اسی دھائی میں کینیڈین امیگریشن نے پندرہ غیر قانونی کینیڈا میں مقیم سکھوں کا ایک گروہ گرفتارکیا-عدات نے انہیں بھارت ڈی پورٹ کرنے کے احکامات جاری کئے - ڈی پورٹ کرنے سے قبل انہیں جیل میں رکھا گیا - ڈی پورٹ ہونے سے بچنے کے لئے نہ جانے کس کے بہکاؤے میں آکر جیل سے ہی خالصتان کی جلا وطن حکومت کا قائم کرنے کا اعلان کردیا اور حکومت کینیڈا سے اسے تسلیم کرنے کا مطالبہ بھی - ان سکھوں میں سے ایک خالصتان کا صدر بن بیٹھا، ایک وزیر اعظم، کوئی وزیر خارجہ اور کسی نے وزیر خزانہ کا قلم دان سنبھال لیا حسب مراتب پوری کابینہ تیار ہوگئی لیکن کینیڈین حکومت نے انکی ایک نہ سنی -ان سب کو بھارت ڈی پورٹ کردیا-بھارت پہنچتے ہی بھارتی حکومت نے انہیں تہاڑ جیل میں بند کردیا- کچھ دنوں میں ان کی حالت کچھ یوں ہوئی خالصتان کا جلا وطن صدر جیل کا بیت الخلا صاف کررہا تھا،وزیر اعظم جیل کے احاطے میں جھاڑو اور وزیر خارجہ بیرکوں میں پوچا پھیر رہا تھا
تم تو خیر سے ابھی سفیر ہو
 

Solomon2

MPA (400+ posts)
...In the Muslim world, the dominant narrative is that Mohammed, after showing his military prowess by massacring local Arabian Jewish tribes, beneficently allowed Jews to live peacefully under Muslim sovereignty. According to accepted myth, Jews and Muslims then lived harmoniously under Muslim rule for the next twelve hundred-plus years, until disrupted by Zionism.

Israel’s independence and military might, by contrast, strike at two related myths. One is that Muslim rule over Jewish dhimmis was benevolent, and therefore Middle Eastern Jews had no reason to seek and maintain independence. The other is that Muslims, as the Divinely favored religious group, would always rule over Jews and not vice versa. To see a Jewish army consistently defeating Muslim opponents, in contrast to Mohammed’s victories over Jews in the Koran, destabilizes many Muslims’ worldview.

Moreover, Mohammed started his empire with limited territory and a small army, only to expand throughout the Middle East and North Africa. There is undoubtedly some latent fear that Israel is a camel’s nose under the tent for Jewish expansionism. This of course misunderstands Zionism and Judaism, but the average Muslim knows little about Judaism. It’s therefore natural for them to assume that Judaism is expansionist and universalist like Islam.

Finally, it bears noting that the anti-Israel ideas above did not arise spontaneously, but are products in part of state-sponsored antisemitic campaigns run over the decades by the Vatican Czarist Russia, Nazi Germany, the USSR, and various Arab and Muslim states. The USSR’s propaganda rejecting Israel as an illegitimate colonialist state founded by “Zionists” who have no claim to represent the Jewish people has had especially long-lasting impact on world opinion. Young leftists today repeat slogans from Soviet propaganda organs Izvestia and Pravda of fifty years ago without even being aware of their provenance.

The most important conclusion from all this is that criticism of Israel’s use of military force cannot easily be reduced by Israel “behaving” differently. It’s not how Israel uses force that is the primary source of criticism, but ideologically based repulsion at Jews collectively exercising military power via their sovereign state, at all. This is why, in my experience, when critics of Israel claim that Israel is using “disproportionate” force, one can never pin down what level of force these critics would accept. If the IDF’s very existence is repulsive to them, and Israel is deemed inherently illegitimate, no amount of force can be acceptable.



Eyeaan
 

arifkarim

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
...In the Muslim world, the dominant narrative is that Mohammed, after showing his military prowess by massacring local Arabian Jewish tribes, beneficently allowed Jews to live peacefully under Muslim sovereignty. According to accepted myth, Jews and Muslims then lived harmoniously under Muslim rule for the next twelve hundred-plus years, until disrupted by Zionism.

Israel’s independence and military might, by contrast, strike at two related myths. One is that Muslim rule over Jewish dhimmis was benevolent, and therefore Middle Eastern Jews had no reason to seek and maintain independence. The other is that Muslims, as the Divinely favored religious group, would always rule over Jews and not vice versa. To see a Jewish army consistently defeating Muslim opponents, in contrast to Mohammed’s victories over Jews in the Koran, destabilizes many Muslims’ worldview.

Moreover, Mohammed started his empire with limited territory and a small army, only to expand throughout the Middle East and North Africa. There is undoubtedly some latent fear that Israel is a camel’s nose under the tent for Jewish expansionism. This of course misunderstands Zionism and Judaism, but the average Muslim knows little about Judaism. It’s therefore natural for them to assume that Judaism is expansionist and universalist like Islam.

Finally, it bears noting that the anti-Israel ideas above did not arise spontaneously, but are products in part of state-sponsored antisemitic campaigns run over the decades by the Vatican Czarist Russia, Nazi Germany, the USSR, and various Arab and Muslim states. The USSR’s propaganda rejecting Israel as an illegitimate colonialist state founded by “Zionists” who have no claim to represent the Jewish people has had especially long-lasting impact on world opinion. Young leftists today repeat slogans from Soviet propaganda organs Izvestia and Pravda of fifty years ago without even being aware of their provenance.

The most important conclusion from all this is that criticism of Israel’s use of military force cannot easily be reduced by Israel “behaving” differently. It’s not how Israel uses force that is the primary source of criticism, but ideologically based repulsion at Jews collectively exercising military power via their sovereign state, at all. This is why, in my experience, when critics of Israel claim that Israel is using “disproportionate” force, one can never pin down what level of force these critics would accept. If the IDF’s very existence is repulsive to them, and Israel is deemed inherently illegitimate, no amount of force can be acceptable.



Eyeaan
Thank you. Am Yisrael Chai ??❤️✡️?
 

karachiwala

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
مطلب مسلمانوں کی منافقت سامنے آتی جا رہی ہے۔ اسرائیل سے نفرت بغض یہود کی وجہ سے ہے حب فلسطین کی وجہ سے نہیں۔
مسلمان کی منافقت کیوں؟ لگتا ہے یا تو تم آج کی تاریخ سے ناواقف ہو یا تم حب یہود میں غرق ہو۔
 

karachiwala

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
کیوں کیا تم نے یہودیوں کے بچے پالے ہیں جو اتنا یقین سے کہہ رہے ہو، بغض یہودی؟
تمہیں پال کر میں کیا کرونگا؟ جب تمہیں پتہ ہے کہ میں بغض یہود رکھتا ہوں تو کسی ہندو کی گود تلاش کرو
 

Citizen X

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
20 percent of Israelis are non-Jewish citizens of Israel. They are even part of current Israeli govt. What apartheid, Jew hater?
If you have the time read the Human Rights Watch report, I guess they are jew haters as well.


Its amazing how you parrot Israeli propaganda and rethoric. Just because you are the only jewish state! So what? Somehow that makes you special and gives you the right to steal land and break almost every international law and violate every human right in the book?

You and that Habsara man need to come up with a better kool aid to sell
 

arifkarim

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
If you have the time read the Human Rights Watch report, I guess they are jew haters as well
They are. Following 6 day war, Palestinians were free to work in Israel. In 1987 armed resistance started that led to peace agreement in 1993. Immediately after that Palestinians started terrorist attacks inside Israel, prompting them to erect security barrier and check posts. This has stopped terror attacks with the consequence of apartheid and human rights violations. Conclusion: Do not attack Jewish state of Israel if you wish to live with freedoms
 

karachiwala

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
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