My advice to Pakistani Talibans: throw away arms & terrorism

Saladin A

Minister (2k+ posts)
My appeal and request to the Pakistani Talibans if they are true Muslims is to throw away their weapons and join Dawah to spread peaceful message of Islam around the world by mouth and pen. I would like to say to these Talibans that they are not serving or helping Islam but have harmed and harming its image irreparably if they continued with their methods of terror and violence in Pakistan. They are killing innocent Muslims, destroying Pakistans infra-structure and economy, which is helping not only the enemies of Pakistan but also of Islam. The so called terrorists - Taliban have no cause but death and destruction and killing of as many Muslims and innocent citizens of Pakistan as possible.

In the modern age no arms, ammunition and destructive weapons can not intimidate, suppress or subdue other peoples. We have seen that the most powerful country in the world, USA, could not achieve it in Iraq and has failed miserably in Afghanistan. In 90s the Soviet Union failed to crush the Mujhadeens fighting to liberate their land and crush Communism. Zionist Israel has tried by killing over 1.5 million innocent Palestinians and razing their land to rubble but has failed; India has failed in the occupied Kashmir despite killing over one hundred thousand innocent Kashmiris. If the Taliban believed that they could terrorise Pakistanis, it would their biggest folly. The so-called Talibans terrorising innocent Pakistanis and killing them in thousands are not Muslims but the paid murderers, suicide bombers and terrorists acting for the Zionist Israel, India and the USA to disintegrate Pakistan and harm Islam.

Enemies of Islam did not allow Prophet Mohammed (SAW) and his followers to live in peace in Madinah. Just after one year in peace of their migration, a strong army of one thousand warriors descended upon Madinah to finish off Islam for ever. It was under these extremely hard conditions, when the existence of Islam and Muslims was at stake that under divine command Muslim were allowed to fight for the cause of their faith. Even in such trying conditions, they were made to abide by certain laws and regulations, in contrast to the established traditions, In war everything is fair. And fight in the cause of Allah against those who wage war against you, but do not transgress the limit, for verily, Allah does not love the transgressors (2:190).

Permission (to fight) is given to those against whom war is being waged and, verily, Allah has indeed the power to succour them. Those who have been driven from their homelands against all rights for no reason than their saying, Our Sustainer is Allah.
This clearly shows that Islamic war is defensive and can not be offensive. Prophet Mohammed (SAW) laid down strict rules of war that included prohibitions against the harming civilians, including women, children, elders and against destroying crops, trees and livestock.

Bridges between the people of Islam and those who fear Islam must be built and if we can achieve this, it would ease the proselytes to embrace Islam. If these Taliban are true Muslims, they should know that using terrorism will lead them to destruction. Finally, the Islam demands (1) humility of the heart (qalb) consequent on a feeling of the presence of the majesty and grandeur of Allah, (2) recognition of this superiority (Allah) and humbleness (of man) by means of appropriate words and deeds, (3) reverence to show our honour to somebody Magnificent, Supreme and bowing feeling the true sublimity of Allah and the humbleness of man.
 

atensari

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
Re: My advice to Pakistani Talibans: throw away arms & terro

Stop providing intelligence and logistic support to America - This is not our WAR
Make sure no more drone attack - civilian causalities producing revenge emotions

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbBYCkQcA6w[/video]
 

Zaidi Qasim

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Re: My advice to Pakistani Talibans: throw away arms & terro

Saladin A:

Do you have any message for your leaders and army Generals as well ? I am with you my brother if thats the case. I still can't codole the innocent lives lost because of these suicidal attacks on innocents and at the same time I can't tolerate these drone attacks which disreminates no one.How would you explain a soverign country's air space is voilated with the consent of its army. Knowing very well that these attacks are carried out by American for the American interests and kill many innocent people on the ground, yet shameless generals are infact taking some of the blame on themselves for those attacks which carried out by Americans. How low you can get ? Brother, we are Muslim .......
 

Knowledge Seeker

Senator (1k+ posts)
Re: My advice to Pakistani Talibans: throw away arms & terro

atensari said:
Stop providing intelligence and logistic support to America - This is not our WAR
Make sure no more drone attack - civilian causalities producing revenge emotions

The brutality of America and western countries does not validate the killing of innocents even in revenge emotions according to Islam.

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCM26F3fBCc[/video]
 

Zaidi Qasim

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Re: My advice to Pakistani Talibans: throw away arms & terro

Knowledge Seeker said:
atensari said:
Stop providing intelligence and logistic support to America - This is not our WAR
Make sure no more drone attack - civilian causalities producing revenge emotions

The brutality of America and western countries does not validate the killing of innocents even in revenge emotions according to Islam.

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCM26F3fBCc[/video]


You piont is well noted. However, what does Islam says about helping and faciliating non Muslims in order to provide them a save corridor to attack and kill Muslims in your own country and other Muslim Countries. Does Islam talk about this policy as well or not ? And what does it say about those who allow the killing of innocents knowing very well that those were not invloved in any activities which are contrary to the national interests ? Same as Islam is against the killing of innocents with suicide attacks.
 

atensari

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
Re: My advice to Pakistani Talibans: throw away arms & terro

Knowledge Seeker said:
The brutality of America and western countries does not validate the killing of innocents even in revenge emotions according to Islam.
3:118
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O Ye who believe! take not for an intimate anyone besides yourselves; they shall not be remiss in doing you mischief. Fain would they that which distresseth you. Surely their malice hath shewn itself by their mouths, and that which their breasts conceal is greater still. Surely We have expounded unto you the signs, if ye will but reflect.
 

atensari

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
Re: My advice to Pakistani Talibans: throw away arms & terro

Ghamdi Sahib, Since 60 Years Muslims in Gaza & Kashmir suffering State Terrorism did Muslim countries have any responsibility towards them except meeting and greeting conferences.
4:75
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Knowledge Seeker

Senator (1k+ posts)
Re: My advice to Pakistani Talibans: throw away arms & terro

Zaidi Qasim said:
You piont is well noted. However, what does Islam says about helping and faciliating non Muslims in order to provide them a save corridor to attack and kill Muslims in your own country and other Muslim Countries. Does Islam talk about this policy as well or not ? And what does it say about those who allow the killing of innocents knowing very well that those were not invloved in any activities which are contrary to the national interests ? Same as Islam is against the killing of innocents with suicide attacks.

We must condemn the all forces like America, Western countries, Pakistani Government, including Pakistani Taliban group which are involved in killing of innocents.According to Islam, none of the group has given power to kill innocents.
 

Knowledge Seeker

Senator (1k+ posts)
Re: My advice to Pakistani Talibans: throw away arms & terro

atensari said:
Knowledge Seeker said:
The brutality of America and western countries does not validate the killing of innocents even in revenge emotions according to Islam.
3:118
?????! ??? ??? (???? ?? ????) ?? ???? ?????? ?? ????? ?? ??? ?????? ????? ??? (???? ?????? ????) ??? ??? ??? ?? ?????? ???? ???? ??? ????? ??? ?? (?? ??? ??) ????? ????? ????? ?? ?? ?????? ?? ?? ????? ???? ???? ??? ?? ??? ?? (????) ?? ?? ????? ??? ???? ??? ?? ???? ????? ??? ??? ?? ??? ????? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ???? ????? ???? ???? ?? ??? ?? ???

O Ye who believe! take not for an intimate anyone besides yourselves; they shall not be remiss in doing you mischief. Fain would they that which distresseth you. Surely their malice hath shewn itself by their mouths, and that which their breasts conceal is greater still. Surely We have expounded unto you the signs, if ye will but reflect.

Your provided reference of Quran does not permit the killing of innocent People.
 

atensari

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
Re: My advice to Pakistani Talibans: throw away arms & terro

Knowledge Seeker said:
Your provided reference of Quran does not permit the killing of innocent People.

I agree with you Drone Attack, Automatic Rifles, Machine Guns, Phosphors, Chemical and Biological weapons killed and killing innocent people as well.
 

Zaidi Qasim

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Re: My advice to Pakistani Talibans: throw away arms & terro

Knowledge Seeker said:
[quote="Zaidi Qasim":9fidlrlg]

You piont is well noted. However, what does Islam says about helping and faciliating non Muslims in order to provide them a save corridor to attack and kill Muslims in your own country and other Muslim Countries. Does Islam talk about this policy as well or not ? And what does it say about those who allow the killing of innocents knowing very well that those were not invloved in any activities which are contrary to the national interests ? Same as Islam is against the killing of innocents with suicide attacks.

We must condemn the all forces like America, Western countries, Pakistani Government, including Pakistani Taliban group which are involved in killing of innocents.According to Islam, none of the group has given power to kill innocents.[/quote:9fidlrlg]


What kind of actions beside condemnation Islam suggests against these forces who are collaborating with non Muslims to kill muslims ?
 

Saladin A

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: My advice to Pakistani Talibans: throw away arms & terro

Drone attacks are deliberately provoked by the presence of these foreign Talibans in Pakistan who are, in fact, insurgents helped, armed, financed and sent into Pakistan by India, Zionist Israel and the USA. Why is it that more innocent Pakistanis are killed than the Talibans targeted by the Drones? It is a deliberate tactic employed by the USA to kill innocent Pakistanis so that the locals resent and take up arms in revenge against the state of Pakistan, and at the same time give an opportunity to the USA and its partners to send more Drones and insurgents into Pakistan to carry out suicide bombing and terrorism. Pakistan's enemies want to destroy Pakistan and the USA is no body's friend.

America used the same kind of tactics by sending Balckwater death squads in Iraq who committed unimaginable atrocities on the Iraqis and were helped by the murderers of Mahdi Army. There is no doubt in my mind that the boot-licking and toe-sucking poodle government of President Asif Ali Zardari is allowing these drone attacks on the Pakistani innocent population for 7.5 billions dollars promised for the next five years in charity and foreign aid.
 

Zaidi Qasim

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Re: My advice to Pakistani Talibans: throw away arms & terro

Saladin A said:
Drone attacks are deliberately provoked by the presence of these foreign Talibans in Pakistan who are, in fact, insurgents helped, armed, financed and sent into Pakistan by India, Zionist Israel and the USA. Why is it that more innocent Pakistanis are killed than the Talibans targeted by the Drones? It is a deliberate tactic employed by the USA to kill innocent Pakistanis so that the locals resent and take up arms in revenge against the state of Pakistan, and at the same time give an opportunity to the USA and its partners to send more Drones and insurgents into Pakistan to carry out suicide bombing and terrorism. Pakistan's enemies want to destroy Pakistan and the USA is no body's friend.

America used the same kind of tactics by sending Balckwater death squads in Iraq who committed unimaginable atrocities on the Iraqis and were helped by the murderers of Mahdi Army. There is no doubt in my mind that the boot-licking and toe-sucking poodle government of President Asif Ali Zardari is allowing these drone attacks on the Pakistani innocent population for 7.5 billions dollars promised for the next five years in charity and foreign aid.


Pretty interesting... American deliberatly killing innocents Pakistani while Pakistani army allowed them in their airspace to come and kill innocents Pakistani s? what kind of hoodo argument is that ? You mean to say that Pakistani army is incompetent bunch of idiots who can't stop these drone attacks ? Brother, open up the eyes and let the truth come out. These are not only Americans who are responsible of drone attacks on innocent Pakistanis. Pakistani army is also guilty of killing innocent Pakistanis by the side of Americans.
 

drkjke

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: My advice to Pakistani Talibans: throw away arms & terro

its all secular civil and army propoganda
pakistani taliban are not terrorists,they like their afghan taliban parteners are fighting against american aggression in afghanistan and pakistan
our media has distorted the facts and have made them terrorists
there is no mention now in media of laal mosque massacre,but false news of taliban making them sem terrorists come in our media
cant we se still that we pakistanis have ben totally deceived and brain washed
we support our rulers who are slaves of america,but we accuse mujahiden of being terrorists
dont you ppl fear allah,that when his justice will become what will happen

and let me clear another propoganda and misconception that pakistanis have through their secular media
that afghan taliban are somehow different from pakistani taliban
its a proven fact that mullah omar of taliban appointed hakim mehsood the pakistani taliban leader,and hakim mehsood used mullah omar name as his ameer
so pakistani brainwashed people wake up!pakistani and afghan taliban are one!its only propoganda to seperate them and thus legitimising our armys operation against them
though army nowdays is no more making that excuse too,recently pakistani army arrested all major afghan taliban leaders,and some relatives of mullah omar too
sp atleast now this false propoganda seperating afghan and pakistani taliban should end!
as now pakistani army is becoming "honest".they are now openly doing operation against afghan taliban as well side by side with american forces.this is because maybe pakistanis have become more secular now,so they side with americans more now compared to before
 

Zaidi Qasim

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Re: My advice to Pakistani Talibans: throw away arms & terro

drkjke said:
mullah baradar was top afghan taliban commander
he was arrested in joint operation of ISI and CIA
pakistani and american forces are nowdays doing operations side by side against islamists

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/w ... 028598.ece" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


It reminds me of Hassani Mubarak of Egypt and Egyptian Army. Lazy Beggers always looking to see some leftover in their pot from westerns and Americans.
 

Knowledge Seeker

Senator (1k+ posts)
Re: My advice to Pakistani Talibans: throw away arms & terro

Zaidi Qasim said:
What kind of actions beside condemnation Islam suggests against these forces who are collaborating with non Muslims to kill muslims ?
[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgKarLl4DvA&feature=related[/video]

If you can enlighten us with other permissible actions according to Islam, Please don't hesitate to share??
 

Zaidi Qasim

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Re: My advice to Pakistani Talibans: throw away arms & terro

Knowledge Seeker said:
[quote="Zaidi Qasim":2ryax6vo]
What kind of actions beside condemnation Islam suggests against these forces who are collaborating with non Muslims to kill muslims ?
[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgKarLl4DvA&feature=related[/video]

If you can enlighten us with other permissible actions according to Islam, Please don't hesitate to share??[/quote:2ryax6vo]

I do not think you got my question right. Let me repeat it again with some details.


What kind of actions beside condemnation Islam suggests against these forces( Muslim ) who are collaborating with non Muslims to kill muslims ?

I hope after this minute detail you will get my point.Your video doesn't address my question and those who are behind this question.
 

Knowledge Seeker

Senator (1k+ posts)
Re: My advice to Pakistani Talibans: throw away arms & terro

Zaidi Qasim said:
What kind of actions beside condemnation Islam suggests against these forces( Muslim ) who are collaborating with non Muslims to kill muslims ?

My understanding about the issue is Condemnation which I have mentioned earlier in this post so if you have other points beside this please dont hesitate or feel shy to explain to us??
 

Zaidi Qasim

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Re: My advice to Pakistani Talibans: throw away arms & terro

Knowledge Seeker said:
[quote="Zaidi Qasim":39i6adx8]
What kind of actions beside condemnation Islam suggests against these forces( Muslim ) who are collaborating with non Muslims to kill muslims ?

My understanding about the issue is Condemnation which I have mentioned earlier in this post so if you have other points beside this please dont hesitate or feel shy to explain to us??[/quote:39i6adx8]

It is not something which is very complicated and God knows I am not shy of asking it either. If the condemnation is the only answer you find in Islamic history, then you are describing the lower level of faith.The problem is condemnation would not bring back the innocents dead from their graves.What you been experiencing in the FATA is not purly islamic manifestation. Dollars are mightier than the faith and the national interests. The moto of Pakistani Army used to be the Jihad_fesabil_ullah, It turned in to jehad fe dollars.You can deny it, you can argue about it,but the bottom line is these drones are not free. Someone getting something for it.Find out who that person or institution is ? You know well that the death ratio from these attacks between extremist and innocent stands at 1:500. Is this acceptable in Islam ? If you think it is, then what kind of Islam accepts this ratio to get one guilty you kill 500 innocents.