Mahatma Gandhi 'racist and bisexual' claims new book

raju

Senator (1k+ posts)
The Gandhi racist thing is true. In his earlier days in South Africa he was very much against the blacks. I thought this was common knowledge now?

Also sleeping with naked virgins to prove that he control himself sexually is very suspect to me. Again common knowledge.

Didn't know about the gay thing though........

IMO Gandhi is overhyped overrated and over discussed when it comes to Indian independence and partition.
 

Zionist Hindu

Senator (1k+ posts)
THE SACRED WARRIOR - BY NELSON MANDELA

India is Gandhi's country
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of birth; South Africa his country of adoption. He was both an Indian and a South African citizen. Both countries contributed to his intellectual and moral genius, and he shaped the liberatory movements in both colonial theaters.
He is the archetypal anticolonial revolutionary. His strategy of noncooperation, his assertion that we can be dominated only if we cooperate with our dominators, and his nonviolent resistance inspired anticolonial and antiracist movements internationally in our century.
Both Gandhi and I suffered colonial oppression, and both of us mobilized our respective peoples against governments that violated our freedoms.
The Gandhian influence dominated freedom struggles on the African continent right up to the 1960s because of the power it generated and the unity it forged among the apparently powerless. Nonviolence was the official stance of all major African coalitions, and the South African A.N.C. remained implacably opposed to violence for most of its existence.
Gandhi remained committed to nonviolence; I followed the Gandhian strategy for as long as I could, but then there came a point in our struggle when the brute force of the oppressor could no longer be countered through passive resistance alone. We founded Unkhonto we Sizwe and added a military dimension to our struggle. Even then, we chose sabotage because it did not involve the loss of life, and it offered the best hope for future race relations. Militant action became part of the African agenda officially supported by the Organization of African Unity (O.A.U.) following my address to the Pan-African Freedom Movement of East and Central Africa (PAFMECA) in 1962, in which I stated, "Force is the only language the imperialists can hear, and no country became free without some sort of violence."
Gandhi himself never ruled out violence absolutely and unreservedly. He conceded the necessity of arms in certain situations. He said, "Where choice is set between cowardice and violence, I would advise violence... I prefer to use arms in defense of honor rather than remain the vile witness of dishonor ..."
Violence and nonviolence are not mutually exclusive; it is the predominance of the one or the other that labels a struggle.
Gandhi arrived in South Africa in 1893 at the age of 23. Within a week he collided head on with racism. His immediate response was to flee the country that so degraded people of color, but then his inner resilience overpowered him with a sense of mission, and he stayed to redeem the dignity of the racially exploited, to pave the way for the liberation of the colonized the world over and to develop a blueprint for a new social order.
He left 21 years later, a near maha atma (great soul). There is no doubt in my mind that by the time he was violently removed from our world, he had transited into that state.
No Ordinary Leader : Divinely Inspired
He was no ordinary leader. There are those who believe he was divinely inspired, and it is difficult not to believe with them. He dared to exhort nonviolence in a time when the violence of Hiroshima and Nagasaki had exploded on us; he exhorted morality when science, technology and the capitalist order had made it redundant; he replaced self-interest with group interest without minimizing the importance of self. In fact, the interdependence of the social and the personal is at the heart of his philosophy. He seeks the simultaneous and interactive development of the moral person and the moral society.
His philosophy of Satyagraha is both a personal and a social struggle to realize the Truth, which he identifies as God, the Absolute Morality. He seeks this Truth, not in isolation, self-centeredly, but with the people. He said, "I want to find God, and because I want to find God, I have to find God along with other people. I don't believe I can find God alone. If I did, I would be running to the Himalayas to find God in some cave there. But since I believe that nobody can find God alone, I have to work with people. I have to take them with me. Alone I can't come to Him."
He sacerises his revolution, balancing the religious and the secular.
Awakening
His awakening came on the hilly terrain of the so-called Bambata Rebellion, where as a passionate British patriot, he led his Indian stretcher-bearer corps to serve the Empire, but British brutality against the Zulus roused his soul against violence as nothing had done before. He determined, on that battlefield, to wrest himself of all material attachments and devote himself completely and totally to eliminating violence and serving humanity. The sight of wounded and whipped Zulus, mercilessly abandoned by their British persecutors, so appalled him that he turned full circle from his admiration for all things British to celebrating the indigenous and ethnic. He resuscitated the culture of the colonized and the fullness of Indian resistance against the British; he revived Indian handicrafts and made these into an economic weapon against the colonizer in his call for swadeshi--the use of one's own and the boycott of the oppressor's products, which deprive the people of their skills and their capital.
A great measure of world poverty today and African poverty in particular is due to the continuing dependence on foreign markets for manufactured goods, which undermines domestic production and dams up domestic skills, apart from piling up unmanageable foreign debts. Gandhi's insistence on self-sufficiency is a basic economic principle that, if followed today, could contribute significantly to alleviating Third World poverty and stimulating development.
Gandhi predated Frantz Fanon and the black-consciousness movements in South Africa and the U.S. by more than a half-century and inspired the resurgence of the indigenous intellect, spirit and industry.
Gandhi rejects the Adam Smith notion of human nature as motivated by self-interest and brute needs and returns us to our spiritual dimension with its impulses for nonviolence, justice and equality.
He exposes the fallacy of the claim that everyone can be rich and successful provided they work hard. He points to the millions who work themselves to the bone and still remain hungry. He preaches the gospel of leveling down, of emulating the kisan (peasant), not the zamindar (landlord), for "all can be kisans, but only a few zamindars."
He stepped down from his comfortable life to join the masses on their level to seek equality with them. "I can't hope to bring about economic equality... I have to reduce myself to the level of the poorest of the poor."
From his understanding of wealth and poverty came his understanding of labor and capital, which led him to the solution of trusteeship based on the belief that there is no private ownership of capital; it is given in trust for redistribution and equalization. Similarly, while recognizing differential aptitudes and talents, he holds that these are gifts from God to be used for the collective good.
He seeks an economic order, alternative to the capitalist and communist, and finds this in sarvodaya based on nonviolence (AHIMSA).
He rejects Darwin's survival of the fittest, Adam Smith's laissez-faire and Karl Marx's thesis of a natural antagonism between capital and labor, and focuses on the interdependence between the two.
He believes in the human capacity to change and wages Satyagraha against the oppressor, not to destroy him but to transform him, that he cease his oppression and join the oppressed in the pursuit of Truth.
We in South Africa brought about our new democracy relatively peacefully on the foundations of such thinking, regardless of whether we were directly influenced by Gandhi or not.
Gandhi remains today the only complete critique of advanced industrial society. Others have criticized its totalitarianism but not its productive apparatus. He is not against science and technology, but he places priority on the right to work and opposes mechanization to the extent that it usurps this right. Large-scale machinery, he holds, concentrates wealth in the hands of one man who tyrannizes the rest. He favors the small machine; he seeks to keep the individual in control of his tools, to maintain an interdependent love relation between the two, as a cricketer with his bat or Krishna with his flute. Above all, he seeks to liberate the individual from his alienation to the machine and restore morality to the productive process.
As we find ourselves in jobless economies, societies in which small minorities consume while the masses starve, we find ourselves forced to rethink the rationale of our current globalization and to ponder the Gandhian alternative.
At a time when Freud was liberating sex, Gandhi was reining it in; when Marx was pitting worker against capitalist, Gandhi was reconciling them; when the dominant European thought had dropped God and soul out of the social reckoning, he was centralizing society in God and soul; at a time when the colonized had ceased to think and control, he dared to think and control; and when the ideologies of the colonized had virtually disappeared, he revived them and empowered them with a potency that liberated and redeemed.

http://www.tolstoyfarm.com/mandela_on_gandhi.htm
 

Zionist Hindu

Senator (1k+ posts)
I don't think I will buy the book, or may be I will. Gandhi was not sacred, he had his flaws. I for one donot believe he was racist or bisexual. Not every Indian fought for freedom and went to Jail. Gandhi was one of them who did, that is why I respect him. I respect and defend anyone who talks about peace, freedom and love. He was not divisive and tried his best according to his ability. He was not perfect but he was the best we had at that time.
 

digitalzygot

Senator (1k+ posts)
I always had my doubts he looked homo to me from the day I first saw his pic and I was a kid at that time, I knew something wasn't right with this Gandhi.
 

elipst

Minister (2k+ posts)
Come on people! How would you feel if Indians came up with another cock and bull story like this on Muhammad Ali Jinnah? Wouldnt you be hurt and angry? By saying these things you provide them a reason to spew hate against us.
 

usmanjee786

MPA (400+ posts)
Might be he whould butt he can tell it batter about his love life ......butt one thing iz that he was a clever person
 

Pakii

New Member
Very strange to see guyz with Imran Khan on their profile pics being so disrespectful to a great leader. Imran Khan would never like it. I think Imran khan's supporters are misunderstood with what Imran Khan's philosophy really is..Imran is not an anti-american or anti-indian..He is simply pro-pakistani.
Imran khan has always got a lot of respect and admiration from India and I m sure if he comes to power, he will strengthen the relationship with India. Imran Khan is not a radical person who would want his supporters to be that radical and that's the reason why masses are following him unlike the religous parties who are so anti-indian and anti-american and therefore have no following...so if u guyz r going to spread hatred and be of radical thoughts, please don't portray urself as Imran Khan's supporters.
 
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Unicorn

Banned
Gandhi should be open to scrutiny just like anyone else. I don't care if he was a bi-sexual but he was not a raciest he wrote him self at one time that he disliked black people. He also wrote that after the zulu wars when he operated ambulance service for the Zulu's he changed his views. He was a man of peace unlike most of us.
 

gazoomartian

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Re: Ghandi ky shaoq niraly


We already knew he was a sex maniac thats why he kept dozens of girls in his hut. Now we know he was a fag or homo too.

Indian members, where are you when we need your comments

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adnan_swati

Senator (1k+ posts)
Re: Ghandi ky shaoq niraly

gay thinking has made western society mad. now when they have allowed gays they think that whole world is doing it. alexendar was also gay according to them as is show in Alexandra the movie. look like they writers were present in their bed room that they know so much about them