Lies about Hari Singh Nalwa my foot

insaf-tiger

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I take pride that i am son of Hazrat Ali razi Allah our forefathers migrated from Saudia to Hamdan Iran and then moved to Herat city of Afghanistan then Pakistan . my forefather Syed Abdulah Qutab shah king of Herat also known as q u t b shah who helped sultan mehmood gaznavi in his 17th attack on Sominat .and finally conquered it .Afghanistan after converted to muslim state never lost against any foreign invader . there are people from a fitna who will always speak against hazrat Umar Razi Allah ,Muhammad bin Qasim , Mehmood Ghaznavi etc .

they are converted from hindos may be in side their heart even today they are hindoes all though many of them call them self Syed .and today i have seen on one thread they are praising Hari Singh Nalva they have too as i said they always back hindo s version and their so called heroes .Afghanistan was part of India before and its old name was Gandahar . Muslim rulers of India indulge in to malpractice and became nawaz shareef and musharaf of that time so they start losing their grip on India and because of their wrong doings rulers of Afghanistan were not respecting them much . when British came to India they took advantage of weak Muslim leadership of India .

the last samurai of India Tipu Sultan lost to britishers because of such weakness in 1799. hari sing nalwa was born in 1791 and came on screen in 1812 at the age of 21 britishers gave him task to lead towards western side now called pakitan .. hari singh nalwa under the command of britian with most advance military machinery and with coalition of local muslim rulers ( general musharaf type ) advanced towards western side .the difference of force and machinery was enormous . british army under command of hari sing nalwa had guns and field guns muzzle loading guns .and tribal and afghan army under the command of king nadir shah was fighting with swords. you can imagine the difference with such big support and equipment advantage hari sing nalwa managed to defeat only hazaras of kpk but couldnt cross jumraud .hari sing nalwa kept fighting from 18 22 to 1837 with such massive army support and weapon difference but couldnt manage to cross jamruad in kpk and died in jamraud .

in 15 years he kept fighting but lost all hopes for britishers .soon after he died britishers dropped the idea to conquer afghanistan and tribal region and tried to control indian completely and then indian local rulers realized they were betrayed so they ganged up against britishers and fought against british one last time in 1857 but it was too late .britisher caught all india britian attacked couple of time latter to cross jamruad but couldnt .the grave of hari sing nalwa is in jamroud . Afghan remain undefeated as it will always . hari singh nalwa my foot is glamorized by so called indians and their moles in the mask of ......muhammad bin qasim and mehmood ghazanvi will always remain symbol of terror for indian mothers and their kittens . lolz hari sing nalwa my foot .

afghanistan and pakistan will always remain brother and what india is trying will never happen inshallah
 
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MHAMZA

Minister (2k+ posts)
@ Thread starter Please look at the historical accounts of the battles of Hari Singh Nalwa and the Afghans it was not a fight between the British and the Afghans but a series of Battles between the Afghans and the growing Sikh Empire all the areas of the Afghan Kingdom from Multan to Kashmir were annexed by Hari Singh Nalwa and his King Ranjeet Singh from the Afghans and Jamurad the mouth Kyber Pass became the border between the Afghans and the Sikhs.It was a time of the rise of Sikhs and British power in the Sub Continent and the Afghans other Muslim rulers were in a gradual decline all over ...
The Capital of Sikh Kingdom was Lahore and Kabul can the capital of Afghan King .. the Sikhs were better trained and armed as compared to the rag tag armies of Afghans other apparent reason of the decline of the Afghans was that they had many tribal chiefs and small independent armies as compared to the unified and disciplined army of the Sikhs ...

In the end after the death of the mighty Ranjeeth Singh his kingdom was defeated by the British who dared not fight when Ranjeeth Singh was alive .. they let him defeat the Afghans and after his demise took the entire Kingdom and then the British and Afghans faced each other long after Hari Singh Nalwa and his King Ranjeeth Singh

Your account of Hari Singh Nalwa's exploits under direct British support is pure fiction !!!!

Hari Singh Nalwa is the hero of the Sikhs and will remain so ... he was an able General and victorious over the Afghans ... same as we have our heros ... no need to bash him ......
 
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insaf-tiger

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@ Thread starter Please look at the historical accounts of the battles of Hari Singh Nalwa and the Afghans it was not a fight between the British and the Afghans but a series of Battles between the Afghans and the growing Sikh Empire all the areas of the Afghan Kingdom from Multan to Kashmir were annexed by Hari Singh Nalwa and his King Ranjeet Singh from the Afghans and Jamurad the mouth Kyber Pass became the border between the Afghans and the Sikhs.It was a time of the rise of Sikhs and British power in the Sub Continent and the Afghans other Muslim rulers were in a gradual decline all over ...
The Capital of Sikh Kingdom was Lahore and Kabul can the capital of Afghan King .. the Sikhs were better trained and armed as compared to the rag tag armies of Afghans other apparent reason of the decline of the Afghans was that they had many tribal chiefs and small independent armies as compared to the unified and disciplined army of the Sikhs ...

In the end after the death of the mighty Ranjeeth Singh his kingdom was defeated by the British who dared not fight when Ranjeeth Singh was alive .. they let him defeat the Afghans and after his demise took the entire Kingdom and then the British and Afghans faced each other long after Hari Singh Nalwa and his King Ranjeeth Singh

Your account of Hari Singh Nalwa's exploits under direct British support is pure fiction !!!!

Hari Singh Nalwa is the hero of the Sikhs and will remain so ... he was an able General and victorious over the Afghans ... same as we have our heros ... no need to bash him ......
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lallalallalalalallalalallaalalalallalaallaallalallalalalalalaallalaallaalla..... my account is pure fiction and your tota mena is real..well i would have answer you but since it seems you have no clue what you are saying .. just read it again ..tipu the last samourai last to british in 1799 and nalwa was british general in 1822 to 37 .lalalalalalalalalalllalalaallaallalalalalaallallalalalallallalalalalala because you will not understand .
 

Liberal 000

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
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lallalallalalalallalalallaalalalallalaallaallalallalalalalalaallalaallaalla..... my account is pure fiction and your tota mena is real..well i would have answer you but since it seems you have no clue what you are saying .. just read it again ..tipu the last samourai last to british in 1799 and nalwa was british general in 1822 to 37 .lalalalalalalalalalllalalaallaallalalalalaallallalalalallallalalalalala because you will not understand .

Fool read history first before making such kind of stupid comments

Punjabi Sikhs rose to power in the wars against Abdali . Abdali invaded Punjab in 1747 , Punjabi Sikh villagers rose in revolt against Afghans for the defense of their homeland Punjab with the help of their Punjabi Muslim brothers (read the poetry of Punjab of that time mostly by Punjabi Muslims )

The war of Punjab independence continued from 1747 to 1767, in 20 years Abdali himself invaded Punjab for 9 times to quell the Punjabi revolt and every time he failed. In his last campaign against Punjab, Abdali was defeated and when he was returning back to Afghanistan he declared his pledge "I will return back to teach you a lesson Punjabis"

Oooops he never returned back

After Abdali, Punjab was divided into 12 Misals confederations each confederation was a small state . Later Ranjit Singh united all these Misals and entered Lahore. Hence born a united Punjab!

Now it was Punjabi turn to teach Abdali descendants a lesson. One by one , the Lahore Dardar defeated Afghanistan in all wars and razed the Punjabi flag over Kashmir, Gilgit and KPK upto Khyber pass.

Afghanistan's king himself came to Lahore as a beggar and surrendered Koh e Noor diamond to Ranjit Singh.

Later on the Pathans of KPK rose to revolt against Lahore Darbar with the support of Afghanistan. Ranjit Singh appointed Hari Singh Nalva a general from Gujjranwala to quell the revolt. Hari Singh Nalva successfully quelled the revolt with barbarity and terror and won KPK for Lahore Darbar.

The last war between Sikhs and Afghanistan was fought at Jamrud Khyber Agency. The Afghanistan's Army attacked Punjab to liberate KPK but failed being defeated and chased run back to Kabul but Sikhs despite being victorious lost their famous general Hari Sing Nalwa who was struck by a arrow during war died

In 1837or39 Ranjit Singh died in Lahore and subsequent succession conspiracies weakened Punjab In 1849 British captured Punjab after Anglo Sikh Wars of 1845-46 and 1848-49.
 
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Porus

MPA (400+ posts)

اگر ہری سنگھ نلوہ برطانوی جرنیل تھا تو اس حساب سے جارج بش غالبآ نائجیریا کا صدر ہوا ہو گا؟
 

There is only 1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
ناصبی کے اقوال ملہذا کریں تو بندہ اس حدیث کا قائل ہو جاتا ہے کہ ناصبی لوگ ولد الزنا ہیں




پتہ نہیں ان ناصبی لوگوں کو بار بار اپنی ولدیت بارے صفائی دینے کا خبط کیوں ہوتا ہے ، چور کی داڑھی میں تنکا شاید انہی کے لئے کہا گیا تھا
 
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Liberal 000

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
​yes there are people who are sorry to be born Muslim and I also feel sorry for them

We are proud Muslims and at the same time proud of our great Hindu-Sikh ancestors our blood line. Our ancestors founded the world ancient civilization the Indian civilization a still living civilization while all the other ancient civilizations died and became the part of history

As our great ancestor Alama Iqbal (a Muslim Brahmn) declared

Yunan-o-Misr-o-Roma sab mit gaye jahan se

ab tak magar
Hai baki naam-o-nishan hamara,

Kuchh baat hai ke hasti mitti nahin hamari


Sadiyon raha hai dushman daur-e-zaman hamara


We are Muslims and Pakistanis now all of us Pakistanis are brothers now and times have changed also ethnic, linguistic and even religious boundaries are crumbling and humanity and human race is winning all over


 

kambohguy

Councller (250+ posts)
Sikh religion is only few hundred years old...u cant be sikh first and turn to muslim afterwards....may be hindu first and then a muslim.....
 

jani1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
We are proud Muslims and at the same time proud of our great Hindu-Sikh ancestors our blood line. Our ancestors founded the world ancient civilization the Indian civilization a still living civilization while all the other ancient civilizations died and became the part of history

As our great ancestor Alama Iqbal (a Muslim Brahmn) declared

Yunan-o-Misr-o-Roma sab mit gaye jahan se

ab tak magar
Hai baki naam-o-nishan hamara,

Kuchh baat hai ke hasti mitti nahin hamari


Sadiyon raha hai dushman daur-e-zaman hamara


We are Muslims and Pakistanis now all of us Pakistanis are brothers now and times have changed also ethnic, linguistic and even religious boundaries are crumbling and humanity and human race is winning all over



ur ancstrs r sikhs or hindus...decide first...
 

Talwar Gujjar

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
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lallalallalalalallalalallaalalalallalaallaallalallalalalalalaallalaallaalla..... my account is pure fiction and your tota mena is real..well i would have answer you but since it seems you have no clue what you are saying .. just read it again ..tipu the last samourai last to british in 1799 and nalwa was british general in 1822 to 37 .lalalalalalalalalalllalalaallaallalalalalaallallalalalallallalalalalala because you will not understand .

Ranjit Sigh died in 1839, his successors were always in some sort of infighting until their final defeat by British in 1849.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punjab_Province_(British_India)
wiki says:
"On 21 February 1849, the British defeated the Sikhs at the Battle of Gujrat. Following the victory, the British East India Company (EIC) annexed Punjab on 2 April 1849 and it was made part of the British Raj, at that time administered by the EIC."

 

Liberal 000

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Sikh religion is only few hundred years old...u cant be sikh first and turn to muslim afterwards....may be hindu first and then a muslim.....


You are right

but in Pakistan we Muslim Punjabis often claim descent from Sikhs while in reality in our entirety we are converts from Hindus. Only a few big Sikh landlords converted to Islam during partition to save their lands and properties like Nakai and Mokal Sindhu Jatt Sardars of Kasur. These guys later on rose to Top positions in Pakistan like Chief Minister of Punjab, Speaker of National Assembly of Pakistan, Governors etc

The claim of Sikh ancestry is due to the fact that Punjabi Sikhs and Muslims share the same tribal names of Hindus and above all Sikhs are considered brave in Pakistani psyche.
 

jani1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
about five hundred years ago all sikhs were hindus. Sikhism was founded by guru nanak a born hindu
my ancestors were hindus


our great Hindu-Sikh ancestors our blood line. Our ancestors founded the world ancient civilization

ok sir...

I was just confused ...as this story is regarding a sikh ruler/ general..

N u r proud of hindu culture...

Any way ...every one has the right to be proud of their ancstr/ culture etc..

Cheers...

 
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khan_sultan

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khan_sultan

Banned
ok sir...

I was just confused ...as this story is regarding a sikh ruler/ general..

N u r proud of hindu culture...

Any way ...every one has the right to be proud of their ancstr etc..

Cheers...





جانی بھائی چاہےکوئی پنجابی ہویاسندھی یا پشتون ہوں یا افغان اسلام کےآنےسےپہلےسب غیرمسلم ہی تھے خود عرب بت پرست تھے اور اگر افغانوں کو بنی اسرائیل سے ماں بھی لیا جاے تو کیا وہ بت پرست نہیں تھے ؟ سوال یہ ہے کے جب آپ نے اسلام قبول کر لیا تو اس پر فخر ہونا چاہیے ہے
 

loser24x7

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Ranjit Sigh died in 1839, his successors were always in some sort of infighting until their final defeat by British in 1849.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punjab_Province_(British_India)
wiki says:
"On 21February 1849, the British defeated the Sikhs at the Battle of Gujrat. Following the victory, the British East India Company (EIC) annexed Punjab on 2April 1849 and it was made part of the British Raj, at that time administered by the EIC."




Shalwar Gobar Wiki Expert Tareeh-daan Nikla....:lol:
 

atensari

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تم سارےت تکفیری بہت ہی بددیانت ہو اس ٹاپک پر تم لوگوں کو اتنی بار مار پڑی ہے کے بس کچھ نہ ہی پوچھو اور حوالہ کس کا دے رہی ہوو اپنے ہی عالم کا اگر کہو تو لگاؤں ان کے حوالے باقی بھی ادھر ؟ اگر تم میں سے کوئی بھی ایسا ہے جو کے مباہلے میں جب رسول خدا گئے تو باقیوں کو بھی لے کر گئے ہوں تو ثابت کرو ؟ آیت اتری کن کو چادر میں لیا کوئی اور ان پنجتن کے تھا تو ثابت کرو تم لوگ مر جاؤ گے پر کبھی بھی ثابت نہیں کر سکتے ہو مباہلے کا میدان وہ تھا جس میں پوری دنیا نے دیکھا کے کون اہلبیت تھے ان ہی مولانا کی بی بی پاک کی شہادت پر ویڈیو ہے جان سب کو پیاری ہوتی ہے سواے انکے جن کو معلوم ہے کے اگے جنت کے وارث انکے ہی امام ہیں نہ کے پسر شام کے
تم لوگ چودہ سو سال سے آدھا سچ اور پورا جھوٹ اتنا بولو کے وہی سچ لگے کرتے آئے ہو کرتے رہےگے. کہہ دو مولانا جھوٹ بول رہے ہیں غلط بیانی کر رہے ہیں. مگر اسے پہلے وہ پوسٹ ڈلیٹ کر دینا جس میں تم نے بڑا تیر مار کر ان کا حوالہ دیا تھا
 

khan_sultan

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تم لوگ چودہ سو سال سے آدھا سچ اور پورا جھوٹ اتنا بولو کے وہی سچ لگے کرتے آئے ہو کرتے رہےگے. کہہ دو مولانا جھوٹ بول رہے ہیں غلط بیانی کر رہے ہیں. مگر اسے پہلے وہ پوسٹ ڈلیٹ کر دینا جس میں تم نے بڑا تیر مار کر ان کا حوالہ دیا تھا
کسی نے بہت خوب کہا ہے کے وہابی کے دماغ میں بھوسا بھرا ہوتا ہے تم اسے جاہل ہو کے میںنے ایسا کوئی اور نہیں دیکھا ہے ادھر آج تک جتنی بھی پوسٹ کر کے حوالے دیے ہیں کسی کو جرأت ہوئی کے انکو ضعیف ثابت کرے ؟ تماری تو اتنی عقل ہی نہیں ہے کے اسناد پر بحث کر سکو
دوسری بات ہم چودہ سال سے وہی کہتے آ رہے ہیں جو حق ہے چولیں مارنےسے بہتر یہ تھا کے اس بات کو سوچتے کے مولانا اسحاق ہو یا تماری کتب وہ میرے لیے حجت نہیں اسی طرح میری کتابیں بھی تمارے لیے حجت نہیں ہینمقسد ان کو پیش کرنے کا صرف اور صرف یہی ہوتا ہے کے اپنے موقف کو درست ثابت کیا جاے جا جا کر اپنا علاج کر وہ لے اگر میری ضرورت ہو تو مجھ سے رابطہ کر لینا اہلبیت کون چل تجھے ایک اہلحدیث عالم کا حوالہ دیتا ہوں ایک اور
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