Leon Panetta: US will not apologize on Salala Attack - Pakistan Should move beyond Salala incident

Lodhi

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)

WASHINGTON: Defence Secretary Leon Panetta all but ruled out an apology over an air strike last year that killed 24 Pakistani soldiers and badly set back efforts to improve US-Pakistani ties, saying it was “time to move on.”


Pakistan banned trucks from carrying Nato supplies into neighboring Afghanistan after the air strike, a move that costs US taxpayers $100 million a month given the need to use more expensive, longer routes to the north.
To re-open the routes, Pakistan wants to impose high tariffs on Nato supplies and Foreign Minister Hina Rabbani Khar said last week that Islamabad is still seeking an unconditional apology.
But Panetta, in an interview with Reuters on Thursday, suggested that past expressions of regret and condolences were enough and held out hope that troubled talks on re-opening Pakistani supply routes for the Nato war effort could succeed anyway.
Asked whether he would oppose any further apology, Panetta said: “We’ve made clear what our position is, and I think it’s time to move on.”
“If we keep going back to the past, if we keep beating up each other based on past differences, we’ll never get anywhere,” he said.
“The time now is to move forward with this relationship, on the (supply routes), on the safe havens, on dealing with terrorism – on dealing with the issues that frankly both of us are concerned about,” Panetta said.
But the supply line negotiations have become wrapped in a larger debate within Pakistan about what it sees as US violations of its sovereignty, which includes everything from covert CIA drone strikes to the US incursion into Pakistan last year to kill al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden.
Meanwhile, US frustration about Pakistani safe havens being used by militants attacking Nato forces in Afghanistan has become more pronounced as the US military starts winding down the war effort in Afghanistan.
During a trip to Kabul, Panetta, using unusually harsh language, said the United States was reaching the limits of its patience with Pakistan because of the safe havens it offered to insurgents fighting in neighboring Afghanistan.
But in his interview with Reuters, he appeared to temper those remarks, saying: “It’s a complicated and frustrating relationship. But it’s a necessary relationship and one that we’ve got to continue to work at on both sides.”
At the same time, Panetta acknowledged pressures building in Congress to put conditions on aid to Pakistan.
“It’s not something that we’re pushing in the Congress. But the reality is that the more problems we have, the more difficult it’s going to be in the Congress to continue to provide assistance without conditions,” Panetta said.
He also acknowledged the likelihood that a protracted cut-off of the supply routes, costing Americans millions of dollars a day, would ultimately impact aid to Pakistan as well.
 
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funkymonk

Minister (2k+ posts)
Did Pakistan apologies for presence of Osama in Pakistan?

what are you ? mentally handicapped ?
How is that even comparable ?

In one case, an alleged terrorist sneaks into border and hides in a compound ..
and in other case a country crosses border illegally and kills innocent army officials when several warnings were given too ..

you must be out of your mind
 

biofilm

MPA (400+ posts)
Compound near pakistan army, and they don't know. Do you still believe army and ISI did not know and have the audacity to question my mind?
Sovereignty was violated by AlQuaida leader. Al qaida is a group like Taliban. Have we condemned this terrorist organization? instead the person who helped his demise is charged with treason. Too much of crying. Nations who are strong are the ones deserve sovereignty.
what are you ? mentally handicapped ?
How is that even comparable ?

In one case, an alleged terrorist sneaks into border and hides in a compound ..
and in other case a country crosses border illegally and kills innocent army officials when several warnings were given too ..

you must be out of your mind
 

funkymonk

Minister (2k+ posts)
Compound near pakistan army, and they don't know. Do you still believe army and ISI did not know and have the audacity to question my mind?
Sovereignty was violated by AlQuaida leader. Al qaida is a group like Taliban. Have we condemned this terrorist organization? instead the person who helped his demise is charged with treason. Too much of crying. Nations who are strong are the ones deserve sovereignty.

what are you talking about ? please be realistic
US, with such advance security and checks, are not able to capture hundreds of fugitive ....
e.g.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Andreas_San_Diego

he is in US and why he is not captured ?

In Osama case, leaving aside how doubtful that operation was, how hard it is to sneak one person across border ?
if army wants to hide it .. why would they hide it next to their base ? there are millions of other places .. what benefit they will get by hiding him ?
If you want to hide something from someone else will you hide it under your pillow ?

As for Dr Shakeel Afridi, I didn't imagine you would stoop so low by protecting him ..
he was nonetheless CIA agent ..
explain me why US gave life imprisonment to this guy ? several of Israel's PMs requested his release .. why US rejected it ? What did he do wrong against US ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Pollard

If US is prosecuting Jonathan Pollard, why Shakeel Afridi shouldnt ?
 

biofilm

MPA (400+ posts)
I will concerned with pakistan rather what US could not do. My question is still there. Do you still believe that ISI did not know about the compound and yet you question my mental state? heheh lol definitely you would hide it under your pillow. that human nature. I am not supporting Afridi. That shows the sincerity of establishment to end this war. the message it sends is that we did not like the killing of osama bin ladan,so we will punish the person who helped his killing.
Are you really serious in comparing US and Pakistan? Do you think their judicial and security system is comparable with pakistan. A country where you attack and rescue culprits from police station and where you can suspend a serving chief justice cannot stand with country like US where law is the ultimate factor. and Secondly you cannot compare on case to another just because it looks similar. Osama was not an ordinary person whereas others dont involved third country nationals.
what are you talking about ? please be realistic
US, with such advance security and checks, are not able to capture hundreds of fugitive ....
e.g.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Andreas_San_Diego

he is in US and why he is not captured ?

In Osama case, leaving aside how doubtful that operation was, how hard it is to sneak one person across border ?
if army wants to hide it .. why would they hide it next to their base ? there are millions of other places .. what benefit they will get by hiding him ?
If you want to hide something from someone else will you hide it under your pillow ?

As for Dr Shakeel Afridi, I didn't imagine you would stoop so low by protecting him ..
he was nonetheless CIA agent ..
explain me why US gave life imprisonment to this guy ? several of Israel's PMs requested his release .. why US rejected it ? What did he do wrong against US ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Pollard

If US is prosecuting Jonathan Pollard, why Shakeel Afridi shouldnt ?
 

Imranpak

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
The supply route would not be restored even if they apoligised due to the massive opposition against it, regardless. In USA election year any apology by the Obama regime will be seen as a weakness.
 

Imranpak

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Fear is no policy! The only new thing we should do is take an aggressive stance against America instead of being apologetic. They need us to exit Afghanistan far more then we do them, can't just forgive them for openly killing 24 soldiers because they'll do it again tomorrow.

Choke them, hurt them where it does most.
 

rehman1978

Senator (1k+ posts)
Compound near pakistan army, and they don't know. Do you still believe army and ISI did not know and have the audacity to question my mind?
Sovereignty was violated by AlQuaida leader. Al qaida is a group like Taliban. Have we condemned this terrorist organization? instead the person who helped his demise is charged with treason. Too much of crying. Nations who are strong are the ones deserve sovereignty.
Dude either you are totally dumb or five year old kid who has no idea what he is talking about. Talibans have nothing to do with with a Septemper 11 atacks: same way Iraq had nothing to do September 11 attacks. Mojority of terrorist belong to Suadi Arabia: which US's biggest ally. Talibans are mortal enemies of Northern Alliance which is in power Afganistan. Dude! get ur facts right!!! If Talibans are like Al-Qaida then why USA wants to negotitae with them!!! People like you have no clue about regional issues but want to open bigh mouth through empty brains!!!!!!!!!
 

rehman1978

Senator (1k+ posts)
I will concerned with pakistan rather what US could not do. My question is still there. Do you still believe that ISI did not know about the compound and yet you question my mental state? heheh lol definitely you would hide it under your pillow. that human nature. I am not supporting Afridi. That shows the sincerity of establishment to end this war. the message it sends is that we did not like the killing of osama bin ladan,so we will punish the person who helped his killing.
Are you really serious in comparing US and Pakistan? Do you think their judicial and security system is comparable with pakistan. A country where you attack and rescue culprits from police station and where you can suspend a serving chief justice cannot stand with country like US where law is the ultimate factor. and Secondly you cannot compare on case to another just because it looks similar. Osama was not an ordinary person whereas others dont involved third country nationals.
Let me apply the same logic here:
  • Where are the WMD's which were used as basis for attack on Iraq
  • What was CIA and FBI doing when Sept 11 terrorist raoming freely in USA.

Not knowing where Osama was a big fcuck up ISI but it was not intentional. If US is a country of law then why it violated international law. Go read US bill of rights: I believe which is greatest man made document and then comeback and we will discuss US violations in Pakistan
 

biofilm

MPA (400+ posts)
I would just say to you as well read some recent history. US did not attack taliban because they were involved with 911. but because they provide shelter to Osama. I hope you remember now. The reports of intelligence were wrong about the WMDs. and the terrorists from saudi were not armed. it was a unique attack where terrorists did not use and bombs. I can guarantee you that happens in pakistan no one will ever able to catch this before it is completed.
Dude either you are totally dumb or five year old kid who has no idea what he is talking about. Talibans have nothing to do with with a Septemper 11 atacks: same way Iraq had nothing to do September 11 attacks. Mojority of terrorist belong to Suadi Arabia: which US's biggest ally. Talibans are mortal enemies of Northern Alliance which is in power Afganistan. Dude! get ur facts right!!! If Talibans are like Al-Qaida then why USA wants to negotitae with them!!! People like you have no clue about regional issues but want to open bigh mouth through empty brains!!!!!!!!!
 

ambroxo

Minister (2k+ posts)
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