Kia Pervez Mushrraf Ne Ishaq Dar Se Zabardasti Half Naame Par Sign Karwaye?

[Kashif Rafiq]

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[mrk123]

this guy is such an idiot. Laid all the blame on democracy and the period after his rule was over.

Saying that all of this Panama crap happened after he was gone. Such a liar and ill informed guy or purposely trying to
deflect. The money laundering happened in the 90s as the flats in London were purchased during the mid 90s.

The fact is that this dictator became a poodle of Saudis because the king threw a bone at him. Thats all he needed to let Sharifs go free.
Basically he admitted that he was bribed by the king to go easy on Sharifs.

 

[abdlsy]

this guy is such an idiot. Laid all the blame on democracy and the period after his rule was over.

Saying that all of this Panama crap happened after he was gone. Such a liar and ill informed guy or purposely trying to
deflect. The money laundering happened in the 90s as the flats in London were purchased during the mid 90s.

The fact is that this dictator became a poodle of Saudis because the king threw a bone at him. Thats all he needed to let Sharifs go free.
Basically he admitted that he was bribed by the king to go easy on Sharifs.

Chuloe yae butaoe phirr humm PMLN ORR PPP koe keeyon select kurtae hein barr barr why.

 

[mrk123]

Chuloe yae butaoe phirr humm PMLN ORR PPP koe keeyon select kurtae hein barr barr why.

because dimwit military dictators like ayub, zia, yahya, musharraf and their equally brain dead cronies pick who they like and install them as "our democratic" leaders. From Bhutto to SHarifs to Junejo to Chaudries to Zardari are all a gift of military dictators.

Military dictators threw away accountability and purposely and willfully destroyed institutions that could bring corrupt to justice.

I know that you are blind lover of Musharraf but don't take the criticism of Musharraf to heart as this rot was started before him and his general brothers (who were as stupid and senseless) are responsible. Mostly it was Zia who destroyed whatever we had in terms of a functioning government.

With what Zia gave us we dealt with in the 90s and then Musharraf's gift to us was Chaudhries or Gujrat and people like Marvi Memon, Daniyal aziz and the total control of that psychopath Altaf in Karachi and eventually imposed Zardari on our head with the most asinine piece of ordinance - NRO.

 

[abdlsy]

because dimwit military dictators like ayub, zia, yahya, musharraf and their equally brain dead cronies pick who they like and install them as "our democratic" leaders. From Bhutto to SHarifs to Junejo to Chaudries to Zardari are all a gift of military dictators.

Military dictators threw away accountability and purposely and willfully destroyed institutions that could bring corrupt to justice.

I know that you are blind lover of Musharraf but don't take the criticism of Musharraf to heart as this rot was started before him and his general brothers (who were as stupid and senseless) are responsible. Mostly it was Zia who destroyed whatever we had in terms of a functioning government.

With what Zia gave us we dealt with in the 90s and then Musharraf's gift to us was Chaudhries or Gujrat and people like Marvi Memon, Daniyal aziz and the total control of that psychopath Altaf in Karachi and eventually imposed Zardari on our head with the most asinine piece of ordinance - NRO.

Sarae pakistani musalman leaders hein. Democratic unpatriotic big chore. Military patriotic chotae munnae chore. Awam mixed chat. Amaal stinky. Solution butaoe. Khalee Analysis criticism sae koiee faeda nahee. Ubh kiss koe select kurrae gee awam yae butaoe past is past.

 

[dingdong]

Mai pervez musharaff kaa bohat bara mukhalif hon maggarr Ishaq Daar jaisay ghatia zaleel aur badd zaat nassal ke chore fraudiay aur haraam khore parr koi aatbaar nahi kiya jaa sakta yeh woh nassal kaa ghatia aur zaleel khandaan hai jo awam ke paisa chura karr aur bharva geeri karr ke arab patti bana iski assal auqat cycle ke puncture laganay ki hai

 

[Dawood Magsi]

Yeh Haramee hi agar Nawaz Khhandan ko Baday Miyan Saab k Paas pohancha deta to aaj hum yahan par pohanchtay hi na

 

[Farooq Ahmad]

 

[Farooq Ahmad]

Ishaq Dar Jo k basically munhi hay aj ye billionaire loot mar say issay Oulado khandano darbarion hawarion Smait phansee hone chaheye

 

[mrk123]

Sarae pakistani musalman leaders hein. Democratic unpatriotic big chore. Military patriotic chotae munnae chore. Awam mixed chat. Amaal stinky. Solution butaoe. Khalee Analysis criticism sae koiee faeda nahee. Ubh kiss koe select kurrae gee awam yae butaoe past is past.

What you have right now is the moral decay in the society. Even the rot had started earlier it was Zia who completely destroyed whatever that was holding us together. He destroyed institutions, got rid of accountability (this NAB and other crap was introduced because he rendered the judiciary and other institutions useless) and what we see as Panama drama is a direct result of Zia's actions.

Zia also introduced false sense of nationalism and religiosity. He allowed Saudi funded half baked mullahs to roam free spreading their message of hate and intolerance and changed how people used to practice religion and basically their outlook on life.

The solution starts with the realization that something went terribly wrong in pakistan beginning in the 80s.

I know that its very very hard in Pakistan to admit our mistakes and do serious introspection. Heck we believe that we are the best and the whole world is after us. We don't want to admit that we went off course and got stuck in this mess.

But look at countries like Rwanda, which was hit by one of the worst genocidal war in the recent history where a million people were killed in a short span of a few years - realized what went wrong and they addressed the issues head on and are back.
https://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/09/opinion/after-rwandas-genocide.html?_r=0 (a quick read).

We have to make hard choices. One is to realize who has contributed to and who has been responsible for our decline into chaos.

In my opinion Politicians, Military, Judiciary, Religious leaders, bureaucrats all have contributed to the mess to some extent.

Military and politicians bear the biggest burden. We need to institute reforms in the military and the way political governments are run.
We need to make sure that military interference in civilian affairs is minimal but given the propensity of the politicians to commit corruption there should be true accountability in place. this could be done by making the law enforcement, prosecution and judiciary completely independent - yes completely! not some sham

Election reforms need to be introduced and also election commission needs to be a completely independent body.

These are just a few things that could put us on the right track. I am sure that there are thousand other things that could be done.

The process may be slow and painful but the current democratic system as we know it will prevail after a couple of cycles if true checks and balances are placed.

Ah, one other thing - I think that Pakistan needs to have a presidential form of government with strict 4 year term and a maximum of two terms with the stipulation that if you served as the president then no member of your immediate family member can hold the position of President or minister for at least one or two terms or some number of years.

 

[abdlsy]

What you have right now is the moral decay in the society. Even the rot had started earlier it was Zia who completely destroyed whatever that was holding us together. He destroyed institutions, got rid of accountability (this NAB and other crap was introduced because he rendered the judiciary and other institutions useless) and what we see as Panama drama is a direct result of Zia's actions.

Zia also introduced false sense of nationalism and religiosity. He allowed Saudi funded half baked mullahs to roam free spreading their message of hate and intolerance and changed how people used to practice religion and basically their outlook on life.

The solution starts with the realization that something went terribly wrong in pakistan beginning in the 80s.

I know that its very very hard in Pakistan to admit our mistakes and do serious introspection. Heck we believe that we are the best and the whole world is after us. We don't want to admit that we went off course and got stuck in this mess.

But look at countries like Rwanda, which was hit by one of the worst genocidal war in the recent history where a million people were killed in a short span of a few years - realized what went wrong and they addressed the issues head on and are back.
https://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/09/opinion/after-rwandas-genocide.html?_r=0 (a quick read).

We have to make hard choices. One is to realize who has contributed to and who has been responsible for our decline into chaos.

In my opinion Politicians, Military, Judiciary, Religious leaders, bureaucrats all have contributed to the mess to some extent.

Military and politicians bear the biggest burden. We need to institute reforms in the military and the way political governments are run.
We need to make sure that military interference in civilian affairs is minimal but given the propensity of the politicians to commit corruption there should be true accountability in place. this could be done by making the law enforcement, prosecution and judiciary completely independent - yes completely! not some sham

Election reforms need to be introduced and also election commission needs to be a completely independent body.

These are just a few things that could put us on the right track. I am sure that there are thousand other things that could be done.

The process may be slow and painful but the current democratic system as we know it will prevail after a couple of cycles if true checks and balances are placed.

Ah, one other thing - I think that Pakistan needs to have a presidential form of government with strict 4 year term and a maximum of two terms with the stipulation that if you served as the president then no member of your immediate family member can hold the position of President or minister for at least one or two terms or some number of years.

THanks for your input makes perfect sense. Who you will vote next election.