Japan's government could run out of cash by October - Reuters - Calling Orya Maqbool Jan

AsifAmeer

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http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/07/06/us-japan-economy-azumi-idUSBRE86501O20120706

(Reuters) - Japan's government could run out of money by the end of October, halting all state spending including salaries, pensions and unemployment benefits, because of a standoff in parliament that has blocked a bill to finance the deficit.

The deficit financing bill, which would allow the government to sell bonds needed to fund almost half of the budget, has languished in parliament as the ruling Democratic Party tussles with opposition parties that can use their control of the upper house to reject legislation.

"Without this bill, the budget will collapse," Finance Minister Jun Azumi said on Friday, pleading for cooperation from the two largest opposition parties.
"It doesn't matter which party is in power. I really hope that we can get a multi-partisan agreement on the deficit bill."

If the bill is not passed, government spending would grind to a halt, the world's third-largest economy would be put in jeopardy and its standing among credit ratings agencies could suffer.

Japan is not the only developed nation that is staring at an imminent fiscal crisis. Greece's debt-strapped government could run out of money within weeks unless it secures a 31.8 billion euro tranche of bailout funds from the European Union.

The U.S. economy is facing $4 trillion worth of expiring tax cuts and automatic government spending reductions at the end of the year, and a standoff in Congress makes the chance of a compromise over the so-called "fiscal cliff" look dim.

The impasse in Japan however comes just after Prime Minister Yoshihiko Noda won over the opposition to pass an increase in sales tax in the lower house of parliament. However, a section of his party quit over the vote, and is poised to form a new party.

Noda's Democrats still control a majority in the lower house of parliament, but are outnumbered by the opposition in the upper house. Many analysts say mid-term elections could be called.

"There's so much uncertainty over the political outlook that it's hard to say how big the risk is of the government running out of cash," said Naoki Iizuka, senior economist at Mizuho Securities in Tokyo.

"The key would be the timing of any snap election and who would be leading the Democratic Party at the time."

Opposition parties have threatened to delay Japan's deficit financing bill in the past but have eventually yielded and voted in favor. This time, however, the opposition may be more emboldened because of the row over the sales tax hike.



JAPAN'S FISCAL CLIFF
Japan's budget for the current fiscal year that started in April totals 90.3 trillion yen.

The deficit financing bill allows Japan to sell 38.3 trillion yen in government bonds to fund the budget. The remainder is funded by tax revenue, non-tax revenue and income from bonds earmarked for public works projects.

Government expenditure is forecast to reach 43.9 trillion yen by the end of September, Azumi said.

Assuming that the deficit financing bill does not pass, the government would have only 46.1 trillion yen on hand, Azumi said. This means the government is sure to run out of money by the end of October, he said.

The first in line to take a hit if Japan starts running out of money would be regional governments, which rely on tax grants from the national government for much of their spending.

The Finance Ministry could start cutting tax grants to local governments in September if there is no sign that the deficit financing bill will pass, Azumi said.

The government would try to prioritize pension and unemployment payments, but once the money runs out, there is not much the government can do, finance ministry bureaucrats have said.

Prime Minister Noda could reach an agreement with opposition parties to provide some temporary funding. However, Noda does not have the right to override parliament on the voting of the deficit funding bill.

Japan already has the world's largest debt burden at nearly twice the size of its $5 trillion economy, and a breakdown in fiscal spending could increase skepticism that politicians are losing their grip on public finances.

(Editing by Joseph Radford and Eric Meijer)



Commentary: Calling ORYA Jaan.. Calling ORYA JAAN... I heard him once speak of the Japanese Economic Miracle due to Japan's ZERO INTEREST RATE POLICY (ZIRP). Mr Orya Jaan, here's your Japanese miracle. There's a saying in the Fixed Income Traders that if you havent lost money on shorting Japanese debt, you arent a mature trader yet. Its been this bad since the mid-80s.. Folks, these folks are so fascinated with ZIRP that they fail to understand the reasons behind ZIRP. ZIRP is implemented to avoid a default on the existing debt. Some how this twisted economic policy becomes "Islamic". Na na.. ZIRP is worse than a high interest rate policy! Now the US has embarked on it. The whole world will pay a very heavy price for this policy. And there is NOTHING we can do about it.
 

UKPakistani

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Japan ? Run out of money ?

Um where has it all gone ? :):)

There is a big whole in the world somewhere which is eating away at billions again and again, where does all this money keep going to Spain, Italy Greece Portugal Ireland.................... oh and where does it all come from ?
 

AsifAmeer

Siasat.pk - Blogger
Today' money is a promissory note i.e. its self-dissolving.

Money vanishes when you either pay off your loan to the bank or when you default on your debt.

We are see credit destruction via default here.

You'll ask - "Wheres the default?" . Default hides in the books of MP Morgan Chase, the ECB, Citi, Bank of America.. and so on. Market realizes this and is discounting those loans on the banks balance sheet accordingly, causing money destruction.

Japan ? Run out of money ?

Um where has it all gone ? :):)

There is a big whole in the world somewhere which is eating away at billions again and again, where does all this money keep going to Spain, Italy Greece Portugal Ireland.................... oh and where does it all come from ?
 

UKPakistani

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Today' money is a promissory note i.e. its self-dissolving.

Money vanishes when you either pay off your loan to the bank or when you default on your debt.

We are see credit destruction via default here.

You'll ask - "Wheres the default?" . Default hides in the books of MP Morgan Chase, the ECB, Citi, Bank of America.. and so on. Market realizes this and is discounting those loans on the banks balance sheet accordingly, causing money destruction.


As far as I know most notes have the standard bullshit

"I promise to pay the bearer the sum of ........"
Except is means nothing,
because that peice of paper is the payment or am I way off
 

Temojin

Minister (2k+ posts)
so finally things for a new age are getting shaped up. Couldn't get the chance to meet Wadelo and Jaan yesterday as my electricity generator's governor messed up and had to fix it which took more than enough time.

[MENTION=24375]AsifAmeer[/MENTION] Will call Orya on Friday and see if I can fix a meeting up after all, any suggestion for meeting if it at all happens or anything you want me to discuss with Mr. Wadelo? Pray that meeting happens as I don't have a car now a days and its a two hour journey to any place I want to go in Lahore from my place.
 

AsifAmeer

Siasat.pk - Blogger
Yaar if you see Mr Vadillo, give my salam with reference of Asif Shirazi. Ask him this
"Suppose gold becomes the new currency tomorrow. And suppose Banks go out of business completely. No more fractional reserve lending. What happens when people start to hoard gold? Wouldnt that cause commerce to slow down or even come to a grinding halt? How do you see Gold in the light of this money velocity issue?"

And about Orya Jaan. Remind him that language doesnt stop humans from knowledge. English, urdu, french, Russian.. it doesnt matter.. Knowledge is knowledge. God chose Arabic, but that didnt stop the Malaysians from adopting Islam.

Also share with him his false infatuation with ZIRP. I think Vadillo himself will clear those matters with Orya if you just bring up the ZIRP issue.

Aur mujhe batana what Vadillo said.

Thanks mate!

so finally things for a new age are getting shaped up. Couldn't get the chance to meet Wadelo and Jaan yesterday as my electricity generator's governor messed up and had to fix it which took more than enough time.

@AsifAmeer Will call Orya on Friday and see if I can fix a meeting up after all, any suggestion for meeting if it at all happens or anything you want me to discuss with Mr. Wadelo? Pray that meeting happens as I don't have a car now a days and its a two hour journey to any place I want to go in Lahore from my place.
 

AsifAmeer

Siasat.pk - Blogger
its a bit abstract. Lekin lemme give it a try. There are many types of money out there. Did you know PAPER currency is not the same as the money in your bank? Money in your bank has less value than the paper currency.

When you write a check to someone, or when someone sends you electronic funds, its a promise that you will be paid in paper currency when u demand. The bank makes whole to that promise and its the bank that picks the tab on the price difference of paper cash and electronic cash. I know all this defies real life experience lekin since our cash transactions are so small that it doesnt make a difference. Mujhe yaad hai once I needed $50,000 cash 1 morning. I do to the bank, and try to cash that money and boy was that fun! I mean I had that money in my account lekin the bank took such a long time to give me the cash. like about 2 hours. Us par bhi manager kehti hai k i should have called them in advance and bla bla. They get the corporate regional office on the line. Then I realized they were waiting for the cash truck to arrive before i walk away with the money. I will be posting a thread on this Bank Deposit vs paper money issue. I'll tag you on it. Stay tuned.

As far as I know most notes have the standard bullshit

"I promise to pay the bearer the sum of ........"
Except is means nothing,
because that peice of paper is the payment or am I way off
 

ejunooni

MPA (400+ posts)
chorya maqboool ko pata wata nahi hota but paadta phirta hai... magar soongney waley bhee to bahut miljaatey hein us choorooo ko....

Yeah i agree. He may be a good guy but thats no qualification for speaking on a subject. He talks on issues like he is a subject matter expert but just throws out random stats.

i once watched a program on domestic violence where he was proposing that making laws against violence is not a solution but we should educate our people. Obviously we need to educate the people about it but laws are made so people dont slip through the cracks. People wont become angels through education. Pretty lame argument he had.
 

indigo

Siasat.pk - Blogger
"ZIRP is worse than a high interest rate policy! Now the US has embarked on it. The whole world will pay a very heavy price for this policy. And there is NOTHING we can do about it."

Asif bhai does this statement support my argument in your previous thread ? (bigsmile)
 

AsifAmeer

Siasat.pk - Blogger
Yaar this issue is very complicated. And with all the complications in sight, I maintain an INTEREST based system creates moral hazard in the system. I promise you this is NOT an emotional statement.

There's this guy Karl Denninger who argues that paper debt-currency should be converted to paper currency, get rid of this whole Govt borrowing from central banks and Govts should print their own money. ANd the amount of money be tied to population headcount. No Govts be allowed to borrow money

Try to understand this... Science predicts things very well.. but science deals in NON-living subjects that do not have a conscious. Economics deals with human.. you cannot predict how someone/something will react when they have a conscious.. You can only guess.. Not only that but if more and more people try to predict when they are a part of the same system, their predictions dont work out because they have infected the results with their predictions.

Its hard to explain this issue.. this is the key complexity in financial markets and Quantum Mechanics too...
[MENTION=23831]UKPakistani[/MENTION]
Asif bhai does this statement support my argument in your previous thread ? (bigsmile)
 

UKPakistani

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Yaar this issue is very complicated. And with all the complications in sight, I maintain an INTEREST based system creates moral hazard in the system. I promise you this is NOT an emotional statement.

There's this guy Karl Denninger who argues that paper debt-currency should be converted to paper currency, get rid of this whole Govt borrowing from central banks and Govts should print their own money. ANd the amount of money be tied to population headcount. No Govts be allowed to borrow money

Try to understand this... Science predicts things very well.. but science deals in NON-living subjects that do not have a conscious. Economics deals with human.. you cannot predict how someone/something will react when they have a conscious.. You can only guess.. Not only that but if more and more people try to predict when they are a part of the same system, their predictions dont work out because they have infected the results with their predictions.

Its hard to explain this issue.. this is the key complexity in financial markets and Quantum Mechanics too...
@UKPakistani


Isnt that what we pay you for

Isnt that what the money on your education was spent on

Isnt that Your job ?
To explain to the old fools like me the young and the naive

Do your job soldier Pakistan needs You

(lol :P)


PS

We choose to do these things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard” — John F. Kennedy, 12. September 1962 .

Anyone can do the easy stuff here is an example 2+2=4
(bigsmile)

You are here because you want to be heard, so say things worth reading to the masses
:)
 
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Unicorn

Banned
Yaar this issue is very complicated. And with all the complications in sight, I maintain an INTEREST based system creates moral hazard in the system. I promise you this is NOT an emotional statement.

There's this guy Karl Denninger who argues that paper debt-currency should be converted to paper currency, get rid of this whole Govt borrowing from central banks and Govts should print their own money. ANd the amount of money be tied to population headcount. No Govts be allowed to borrow money

Try to understand this... Science predicts things very well.. but science deals in NON-living subjects that do not have a conscious. Economics deals with human.. you cannot predict how someone/something will react when they have a conscious.. You can only guess.. Not only that but if more and more people try to predict when they are a part of the same system, their predictions dont work out because they have infected the results with their predictions.

Its hard to explain this issue.. this is the key complexity in financial markets and Quantum Mechanics too...
@UKPakistani


Traders that if you havent lost money on shorting Japanese debt, you arent a mature trader yet.

This one is in my book along with other STOLEN quotes from you. I might make some money from the book and I am not sharing:lol:
 

modern.fakir

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Thats why we want a COMPLETE ISLAMIC system- not bits and pieces. With Zakat you can stop hoarding and get people to re-invest in the economy.

Now people CHEAT because they lack "Ihsan" or spiritual development. Thats why Hazrat Jibraeel As came down one day to teach us muslims 3 things which were of Paramount importance ! (bigsmile)

When you dont have "IHSAN" or spiritual development in a nation ...no matter WHAT YOU DO ...they will never be sincere to either themselves or anything for that matter !...This was the biggest achievement and difference amongst the muslims of today and compared to any muslims civilization which excelled !

This is where a Khalifa can enforce Islam.and Ihsan will come with proper knowledge of Islam being dicipated with..people will begin paying zakat but because the moral ethics will eventually become so high that ...no one will be left to take zakat ;)....their will be many paying into but no one to take ...as is evident several authentic ahadith ...





O Muhammed, tell me about Islam.

The Messenger of Allah (may the blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: Islam is to testify that there is no god but Allah and Muhammed is the Messenger of Allah, to perform the prayers, to pay the Zakat[SUP]2 [/SUP]to fast in Ramadhan, and to make the pilgrimage to the House[SUP]3[/SUP] if you are able to do so.


He said: You have spoken rightly, and we were amazed at him asking him (the Prophet bpuh) and saying that he had spoken rightly.


He said: Then, tell me about Iman.[SUP]4[/SUP]

He (the Prophet) said: It is to believe in Allah, His angels, His books, His messengers, the Last Day, and to believe in divine destiny, both the good and the evil thereof.

He said: You have spoken rightly.

He said: Then, tell me about I'hsan.[SUP]5[/SUP]

He (the Prophet bpuh) said: It is to worship Allah as if you are seeing him, and while you see Him not yet truly He sees you.

Pakistan needs a MORAL or Ihsan uplift ...just like during the early days of Islam and in the subcontinent it was the SUFI sheikhs who won hearts based on IHSAN even today ...On the Darbar of Sultan-e-HIND in ajmer sharif millions get fed ..it is such an attitude which is required !


Yaar this issue is very complicated. And with all the complications in sight, I maintain an INTEREST based system creates moral hazard in the system. I promise you this is NOT an emotional statement.

There's this guy Karl Denninger who argues that paper debt-currency should be converted to paper currency, get rid of this whole Govt borrowing from central banks and Govts should print their own money. ANd the amount of money be tied to population headcount. No Govts be allowed to borrow money

Try to understand this... Science predicts things very well.. but science deals in NON-living subjects that do not have a conscious. Economics deals with human.. you cannot predict how someone/something will react when they have a conscious.. You can only guess.. Not only that but if more and more people try to predict when they are a part of the same system, their predictions dont work out because they have infected the results with their predictions.

Its hard to explain this issue.. this is the key complexity in financial markets and Quantum Mechanics too...
@UKPakistani
 
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Ali raza babar

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Today' money is a promissory note i.e. its self-dissolving.

Money vanishes when you either pay off your loan to the bank or when you default on your debt.

We are see credit destruction via default here.

You'll ask - "Wheres the default?" . Default hides in the books of MP Morgan Chase, the ECB, Citi, Bank of America.. and so on. Market realizes this and is discounting those loans on the banks balance sheet accordingly, causing money destruction.

Essentially World is running on an illusion Called Paper money and the world is gonna Wake up soon and Wake up big time .
 

Ali raza babar

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Thats why we want a COMPLETE ISLAMIC system- not bits and pieces. With Zakat you can stop hoarding and get people to re-invest in the economy.

Now people CHEAT because they lack "Ihsan" or spiritual development. Thats why Hazrat Jibraeel As came down one day to teach us muslims 3 things which were of Paramount importance ! (bigsmile)

When you dont have "IHSAN" or spiritual development in a nation ...no matter WHAT YOU DO ...they will never be sincere to either themselves or anything for that matter !...This was the biggest achievement and difference amongst the muslims of today and compared to any muslims civilization which excelled !

This is where a Khalifa can enforce Islam.and Ihsan will come with proper knowledge of Islam being dicipated with..people will begin paying zakat but because the moral ethics will eventually become so high that ...no one will be left to take zakat ;)....their will be many paying into but no one to take ...as is evident several authentic ahadith ...





O Muhammed, tell me about Islam.

The Messenger of Allah (may the blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: Islam is to testify that there is no god but Allah and Muhammed is the Messenger of Allah, to perform the prayers, to pay the Zakat[SUP]2 [/SUP]to fast in Ramadhan, and to make the pilgrimage to the House[SUP]3[/SUP] if you are able to do so.


He said: You have spoken rightly, and we were amazed at him asking him (the Prophet bpuh) and saying that he had spoken rightly.


He said: Then, tell me about Iman.[SUP]4[/SUP]

He (the Prophet) said: It is to believe in Allah, His angels, His books, His messengers, the Last Day, and to believe in divine destiny, both the good and the evil thereof.

He said: You have spoken rightly.

He said: Then, tell me about I'hsan.[SUP]5[/SUP]

He (the Prophet bpuh) said: It is to worship Allah as if you are seeing him, and while you see Him not yet truly He sees you.

Pakistan needs a MORAL or Ihsan uplift ...just like during the early days of Islam and in the subcontinent it was the SUFI sheikhs who won hearts based on IHSAN even today ...On the Darbar of Sultan-e-HIND in ajmer sharif millions get fed ..it is such an attitude which is required !


Look at the beautiful Islamic Currency System . If it was in place there would have been no body starving .
Currency In islam . As there are notes in todays system . Islam Gives us its value in currency

1. Gold
2. Silver
3. Wheat
4. Barley
5. Salt
6. Dates

This is the Currency . Just imagine if it was in place . No body would starve like they are today
 

AsifAmeer

Siasat.pk - Blogger
There is this book I like to read once in a while (even though I have read it 3 times already) lekin every time i read it, I grasp it from a different angle. Its like my added experience help me interpret it in a different angle.

When I said its hard to explain because your comprehension to this philosophy is tied to YOUR experience.

Does that make sense?

btw, I m talking about "Alchemy of Finance" by Soros

Isnt that what we pay you for

Isnt that what the money on your education was spent on

Isnt that Your job ?
To explain to the old fools like me the young and the naive

Do your job soldier Pakistan needs You

(lol :P)


PS

We choose to do these things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard” — John F. Kennedy, 12. September 1962 .

Anyone can do the easy stuff here is an example 2+2=4
(bigsmile)

You are here because you want to be heard, so say things worth reading to the masses
:)