Isnt this ridiculous??? Isnt this barbarian??? What you say

masadi1980

MPA (400+ posts)
Is this ridiculous??? Is this barbarian??? What you say


(CNN) -- A veteran Iranian human rights activist has warned that Sakineh Mohammadie Ashtiani, a mother of two, could be stoned to death at any moment under the terms of a death sentence handed down by Iranian authorities.

Only an international campaign designed to pressure the regime in Tehran can save her life, according to Mina Ahadi, head of the International Committee Against Stoning and the Death Penalty.

"Legally it's all over," Ahadi said Sunday. "It's a done deal. Sakineh can be stoned at any minute."
"That is why we have decided to start a very broad, international public movement. Only that can help."

Ashtiani, 42, will be buried up to her chest, according to an Amnesty International report citing the Iranian penal code. The stones that will be hurled at her will be large enough to cause pain but not so large as to kill her immediately.

Ashtiani, who is from the northern city of Tabriz, was convicted of adultery in 2006.
She was forced to confess after being subjected to 99 lashes, human rights lawyer Mohammad Mostafaei said Thursday in a telephone interview from Tehran.

She later retracted that confession and has denied wrongdoing. Her conviction was based not on evidence but on the determination of three out of five judges, Mostafaei said. She has asked forgiveness from the court but the judges refused to grant clemency.

Iran's supreme court upheld the conviction in 2007.

The majority of those sentenced to death by stoning are women
--Amnesty International
Why are women, where men go?? its so so so stupid thing. I'll harshly condemn this if both are equaly accused then why only women to bear punishment.


Mostafaei believes a language barrier prevented his client from fully comprehending court proceedings. Ashtiani is of Azerbaijani descent and speaks Turkish, not Farsi.


The circumstances of Ashtiani's case make it not an exception but the rule in Iran, according to
Amnesty International, which tracks death penalty cases around the world.

"The majority of those sentenced to death by stoning are women, who suffer disproportionately from such punishment," the human rights group said in a 2008 report.

On Wednesday, Amnesty made a new call to the Iranian government to immediately halt all executions and commute all death sentences. The group has recorded 126 executions in Iran from the start of this year to June 6.

"The organization is also urging the authorities to review and repeal death penalty laws, to disclose full details of all death sentences and executions and to join the growing international trend towards abolition," the statement said.

Ahadi, who fled Iran in the early 1980s, told CNN that pressure from Amnesty and other organizations and individuals is likely the only way to save Ashtiani.

"Experience shows (that) ... when the pressure gets very high, the Islamic government starts to say something different," she said.

In Washington, the State Department has criticized the scheduled stoning, saying it raised serious concerns about human rights violations by the Iranian government.

"We have grave concerns that the punishment does not fit the alleged crime, " Assistant Secretary of State P.J. Crowley said Thursday. "For a modern society such as Iran, we think this raises significant human rights concerns."

Calling Iran's judicial system "disproportionate" in its treatment of women, Crowley said, "From the United States' standpoint, we don't think putting women to death for adultery is an appropriate punishment."

Human rights activists have been pushing the Islamic government to abolish stoning, arguing that women are not treated equally before the law in Iran and are especially vulnerable in the judicial system. A woman's testimony is worth half that of a man, they say.

Article 74 of the Iranian penal code requires at least four witnesses -- four men or three men and two women -- for an adulterer to receive a stoning sentence, said Ahadi, of the International Committee Against Stoning. But there were no witnesses in Ashtiani's case. Often, said Ahadi, husbands turn wives in to get out of a marriage.

Mostafaei said he could not understand how such a savage method of death could exist in the year 2010 or how an innocent woman could be taken from her son and daughter, who have written to the court pleading for their mother's life.

The public won't be allowed to witness the stoning, Mostafaei said, for fear of condemnation of such a brutal method. He is hoping there won't be an execution.

Mostafaei, who himself did jail time in the aftermath of the disputed presidential elections in June 2009, said he realizes the risk of speaking out for Ashtiani, for fighting for human rights. But he doesn't let that deter him.

He last saw Ashtiani five months ago behind bars in Tabriz. Since then, he said, he has been searching for a way to save her from the stones.

CNN's Moni Basu, Ben Brumfield, Bobby Afshar, Gena Somra, Mitra Mobasherat and Elise Labott contributed to this report.


i've just read this news on CNN and commented as well.
I know western prospect regarding this news, but want to know how the people of an ISLAMIC STATE will take this.
What i think is, Laws regarding these punishments need to be revise, dont they???

Please go on with some informative comments, i'll do appreciate those.
 
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mistehbab

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

You haven't put up full information with respect to this news/incident. Which means this is either half or wrong information. Why should members, scholars, comment on it ?

Giving judgements, citing position taking statements can only be done when full as well as correct information is present. Otherwise, its just another time when we engage in 'idle speculation'.

'Idle speculation' is worthless. Judgements based on wrong or half information are also worthless. Engaging in 'idle speculation' has destroyed Muslim UMMAH at various levels. We need to avoid 'Idle speculation' as much as we can.
 

sarbakaf

Siasat.pk - Blogger
Execution for what ? whats her crime ?

if the stoning is for adultery well its an islamic punishment and there is no excuse.

western media should respect our laws,

why does CNN not mention killing of 1000 palestinians but they are promoting against islamic law in iran
 

masadi1980

MPA (400+ posts)
Execution for what ? whats her crime ?

if the stoning is for adultery well its an islamic punishment and there is no excuse.

western media should respect our laws,

why does CNN not mention killing of 1000 palestinians but they are promoting against islamic law in iran

Brother ofcourse its islamic law, and we should obey and respect them, and we do obviously, but one thing which is also there, mean revival, ijtihaad if m not wrong. If you apply this law in Pakistan what you think?? Will it be feasible???
 

patriot

Minister (2k+ posts)
Stoning to death is a barbaric punishment and has no base in the Quran.
It is an un-Islamic biblical law.
Quran prescribes 100 lashes to each convicted of adultery.
 
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aqeel813

Minister (2k+ posts)
Execution for what ? whats her crime ?

if the stoning is for adultery well its an islamic punishment and there is no excuse.

western media should respect our laws,

why does CNN not mention killing of 1000 palestinians but they are promoting against islamic law in iran

I fully agree with you. But I object the way of implementation. If this is done only with the lady, where is the man who was involved with her. Why he is not getting punished? If you want to implement islamic laws (which you must implement), they should be implemented equally to every individual in the society, rich and poor, powerful and weak equally.

Chori per hath katnay ki saza zror honi chahiay. lekin agr ye ghareeb per implement ho skti ho lekin Asifa zardari ya bilawal zardari per nahin, then you better should not implement it.

And secondly, I have doubt about the authenticity of the news.
 

gazoomartian

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
I am not sure if this news is correct. American writers, broadcasters are known to receive instructions everyday during Press Briefing at the White House. This is the first time of the day that media are told what to say or what to withhold on that day. US has more restricted media than Iran. The propaganda that you see on American, and hence the world, TV, webs, is actually the design and instruction of these Press Briefings.

I would not be surprised at all if this news has been created or altered to suit US by the boys at the White house. They have done millions of times before. They have shown fals election fraud videos on youtube to shape the American opinions that Iran is not a democratic state because the Islamic system of justice of Iran is a thorny issue for the west. They see Iran as a threat to their awakening of masses and hence endanger the Jewish system.

The human rights commission(s) are also a nexus of Jews to politically attack Islamic system of countries because they too are afraid of true justice system that would destroy their domination.

Human rights group is a sweet poison that would kill an Islamic society in slow but sure motion. We are already seeing signs in Pakistan. Fohashi, uryaniat is or already has become common specially through TV commercials. And this is called HUMAN RIGHTS

What the Human Rights means that all criminals should be kept behind bars for years at the expense of over $100,000/year like in the US and Canada. In certain province of Canada, the inmates receives $25/week as living expense, WTF!!!!

Quran says very clearly to punish an adulterer burried and stoned as described in the report. All these non sense of not being able to interpret because of language barrier is nothing but trash to make their case strong. I hope Iran will not cave in to the Jewish propaganda, Ameen
 

gazoomartian

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
I fully agree with you. But I object the way of implementation. If this is done only with the lady, where is the man who was involved with her. Why he is not getting punished? If you want to implement islamic laws (which you must implement), they should be implemented equally to every individual in the society, rich and poor, powerful and weak equally.

Chori per hath katnay ki saza zror honi chahiay. lekin agr ye ghareeb per implement ho skti ho lekin Asifa zardari ya bilawal zardari per nahin, then you better should not implement it.

And secondly, I have doubt about the authenticity of the news.

There are two type of adultery:
1. Mutually agreed for pleasure
2. sex offered for earning money.

the third definition is a forced sex which is defined as RAPE or zana-bil-jabr, carries the same sentence.

I believe the case reported in this post might be of type #2. Still we dont know the true whole story.
 

masadi1980

MPA (400+ posts)
I am not sure if this news is correct. American writers, broadcasters are known to receive instructions everyday during Press Briefing at the White House. This is the first time of the day that media are told what to say or what to withhold on that day. US has more restricted media than Iran. The propaganda that you see on American, and hence the world, TV, webs, is actually the design and instruction of these Press Briefings.

I would not be surprised at all if this news has been created or altered to suit US by the boys at the White house. They have done millions of times before. They have shown fals election fraud videos on youtube to shape the American opinions that Iran is not a democratic state because the Islamic system of justice of Iran is a thorny issue for the west. They see Iran as a threat to their awakening of masses and hence endanger the Jewish system.

The human rights commission(s) are also a nexus of Jews to politically attack Islamic system of countries because they too are afraid of true justice system that would destroy their domination.

Human rights group is a sweet poison that would kill an Islamic society in slow but sure motion. We are already seeing signs in Pakistan. Fohashi, uryaniat is or already has become common specially through TV commercials. And this is called HUMAN RIGHTS

What the Human Rights means that all criminals should be kept behind bars for years at the expense of over $100,000/year like in the US and Canada. In certain province of Canada, the inmates receives $25/week as living expense, WTF!!!!

Quran says very clearly to punish an adulterer burried and stoned as described in the report. All these non sense of not being able to interpret because of language barrier is nothing but trash to make their case strong. I hope Iran will not cave in to the Jewish propaganda, Ameen

Yeh you are right, authenticity of this news is doubted, and i noticed most of the time they raise an issue that this is going to be happen and then .......... no update nothing else. And almost all of the news from different sources like FOx, BBC, CNN and even Times of India also nicks all stories. So this is true what you said about Media Marsh which is sucking each and every voice favouring Islam.

But in remote areas of Karachi and interior Sindh, these things are still very common, people are doing this barbaric activities like honor killing, stoning, child marriages, selling daughters and other things. We need to educate our people this what the only reason of prosperous Pakistan, anyway.
 

gazoomartian

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Stonong to death is a barbaric punishment and has no base in the Quran.
It is an un-Islamic biblicle law.
Quran prescribes 100 lashes to each convicted of adultery.

Oh Boy!!!

I suppose youhve read the entire Quran with tarjuma and tafseer? (cry)
 

gazoomartian

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Yeh you are right, authenticity of this news is doubted, and i noticed most of the time they raise an issue that this is going to be happen and then .......... no update nothing else. And almost all of the news from different sources like FOx, BBC, CNN and even Times of India also nicks all stories. So this is true what you said about Media Marsh which is sucking each and every voice favouring Islam.

But in remote areas of Karachi and interior Sindh, these things are still very common, people are doing this barbaric activities like honor killing, stoning, child marriages, selling daughters and other things. We need to educate our people this what the only reason of prosperous Pakistan, anyway.

You have inadvertently mixed things together. Honor killing is a crime and so is selling kids. Child marriages is NOT crime but depends on the age of the child. In US/Canada, a person is a minor until the day (s)he turns 18. I could be wrong but its 16 I think in Islam. Even today Americans marry off their children at the age of 16 (minimum) provided the parents sign a permission. Signing of permission is just a legal crap.

Stoning an adulterer to death is prescribed in the holy Quran. You should not call it wrong or barbaric. This is our value and we have a right to stick to it just like Christians have a value of promoting crimes by not properly punishing the criminals and house them and feed them at $100K a year expense.
 

masadi1980

MPA (400+ posts)
You have inadvertently mixed things together. Honor killing is a crime and so is selling kids. Child marriages is NOT crime but depends on the age of the child. In US/Canada, a person is a minor until the day (s)he turns 18. I could be wrong but its 16 I think in Islam. Even today Americans marry off their children at the age of 16 (minimum) provided the parents sign a permission. Signing of permission is just a legal crap.

Stoning an adulterer to death is prescribed in the holy Quran. You should not call it wrong or barbaric. This is our value and we have a right to stick to it just like Christians have a value of promoting crimes by not properly punishing the criminals and house them and feed them at $100K a year expense.

Its good you automatically come around the real issue, :)
i was just putting light on these kind of activities happening in Pakistan, as you know anyway.
As i mentioned earlier that ofcourse being a muslim we have to and we should obey and respect our values.
But as far as this law, Dont you think its evitable in this era??
 

bons

Minister (2k+ posts)
Stonong to death is a barbaric punishment and has no base in the Quran.
It is an un-Islamic biblicle law.
Quran prescribes 100 lashes to each convicted of adultery.

Please don't comment if you are not aware of the Islamic law.
 

gazoomartian

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Its good you automatically come around the real issue, :)
i was just putting light on these kind of activities happening in Pakistan, as you know anyway.
As i mentioned earlier that ofcourse being a muslim we have to and we should obey and respect our values.
But as far as this law, Dont you think its evitable in this era??

YES I think it is applicable and it should be applied specially in this era. We as a Muslim do not, and have no reason to, object to the ahkam, and the sunnah of Mohammad (s.a.w.). Its a fact that after the injeel was voided, Quran was revealed and its a perfect book from over 1438 years ago till the day of qyamah.

to answer your question: YES this era needs even more sentencing like that. Imagine, if only 5 criminals are shot/hanged in public and shown on TV, 50 % of the target killings will cease. Just 5, but publicised.

But the problem is that our hukmran don't even know how to read surah Akhlas, much less know the penal codes of Islam.

Patriots would administer the penal code of islam ........... wa lau karehal kaferoon
 

masadi1980

MPA (400+ posts)
YES I think it is applicable and it should be applied specially in this era. We as a Muslim do not, and have no reason to, object to the ahkam, and the sunnah of Mohammad (s.a.w.). Its a fact that after the injeel was voided, Quran was revealed and its a perfect book from over 1438 years ago till the day of qyamah.

to answer your question: YES this era needs even more sentencing like that. Imagine, if only 5 criminals are shot/hanged in public and shown on TV, 50 % of the target killings will cease. Just 5, but publicised.

But the problem is that our hukmran don't even know how to read surah Akhlas, much less know the penal codes of Islam.

Patriots would administer the penal code of islam ........... wa lau karehal kaferoon

i know, you said absloutely right .......... but the matter of fact is this law wouldnt be carried out in our country and intresting most all muslims would repel.
Anyway nice talk to you and m fully agreed.
 

foqia khan

MPA (400+ posts)
This can be an incomplete news but to me without any doubt Saudi Arabia, Iran ,Pakistan and Afghanistan are the top most countries who are contributing in the damage of Islamic impression through their incomplete Shariah law all over the world.
 

QADIANITRUTH

Senator (1k+ posts)
SO ALL OF YOU TRUST CNN NOW !!!! WOW

Lok at the propeganda against Iran for last many years... Do you know that Iran agreed to move his Uranium enrichment outside Iran ( Brazil or Turkey) to calm 'UN's fears..... But still US and co sancioened Iran.....

Remember that story where wold tells a ram " why are you making the ater muddy" ?? Please stop following CNN and BBC blindly.. use your analytical skills that Allah Tala has blessed you with....
 

gazoomartian

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
SO ALL OF YOU TRUST CNN NOW !!!! WOW

Lok at the propeganda against Iran for last many years... Do you know that Iran agreed to move his Uranium enrichment outside Iran ( Brazil or Turkey) to calm 'UN's fears..... But still US and co sancioened Iran.....

Remember that story where wold tells a ram " why are you making the ater muddy" ?? Please stop following CNN and BBC blindly.. use your analytical skills that Allah Tala has blessed you with....

you got it all wrong pal. I never believe CNN. I call it Crap news network. Its a 100% Jewish media network and came into existence in perhaps 1989 then two years later Iraq was terrorized. And guess who had the sole rights to air the war event from Baghdad?

You guessed it right, the CNN
 

patriot

Minister (2k+ posts)
You have inadvertently mixed things together. Honor killing is a crime and so is selling kids. Child marriages is NOT crime but depends on the age of the child. In US/Canada, a person is a minor until the day (s)he turns 18. I could be wrong but its 16 I think in Islam. Even today Americans marry off their children at the age of 16 (minimum) provided the parents sign a permission. Signing of permission is just a legal crap.

Stoning an adulterer to death is prescribed in the holy Quran. You should not call it wrong or barbaric. This is our value and we have a right to stick to it just like Christians have a value of promoting crimes by not properly punishing the criminals and house them and feed them at $100K a year expense.


I can not find a single aiyet throughout the Quran which prescribes stoning to death for adultery and fornication.
If you know one, tell us please.
The Quran in Sura Noor (24) verse 3 says:

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Let no man guilty of adultery or fornication marry any but a woman similarly guilty or an Unbeliever nor let any but such a man or an Unbeliever marry such a woman: to the Believers such a thing is forbidden.
If DEATH was the Divine Penalty for men and women guilty of adultery or fornication, then Allah (s.w.t.) would not have Revealed the above verse which speaks of having sexual relationships within the guilty parties.
In other words the guilty parties be allowed to live and marry among them.
 
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