ISI Connection - PTI or PML(N)

khalilqureshi

Senator (1k+ posts)
ISI Connection - PTI or PML(N)

PTI is being accused of gaining popularity making connections with Army and or ISI since its Lahore Rally 0f 30[SUP]th[/SUP] October which changed the canvas of Pakistani politics dramatically, the politics which was earlier revolving around two parties i.e. PPP and PML(N). Lets look at this accusation on merit.

The first speech in which Chaudri Nisar accused of PTI having connections with ISI was soon after that rally and soon after a barrage of same accusation came from all PML(N) members. Interestingly they also blamed PTI to be B team of PPP forgetting the fact that double accusation makes their stand weak either Army or PPP.

But even more interesting fact that PML(N) never countered their own relationship with Army and ISI. It is known that Chaudri Nisar has a military background and he was instrumental in getting Genral Perwez Musharaf appointed as COAS. Nawaz Sharif only could blame himself for his own down fall in the hands of Perwez Musharaf. Presently PML(N) has two retired Army Generals in their rank and file.

Even more interestingly since October 2011 and now Nisar Ali Khan and Shehbaz Sharif their self kept meeting General Kiyani and now with General Sharif and kept blaming IK for links with Army and ISI. But IK himself only met with General Kyani once on his request in the presence of others and once with General Raheel Sharif again on the request of General Raheel and Nawaz Sharif in the presence of otherS, whereas both Chaudri Nisar and Shehbaz Sharif met with both generals in camera.

Thirdly IK and PTI on the surface have no links with Army or ISI. This link if only can be proved is by statements of Chaudri Nisar, Shareef brothers and their aides.

Another question is status quo. It is evident that status quo supports all such as PML(N), PPP, other parties except PTI, Army and Supreme judiciary. It is said that Judiciary supports Status quo more than any other party and seemingly courts are doing the same. Judges of higher and highest courts not only sided with forces of status quo before and during elections, still these courts are providing support to present status quo using delaying tactics to prolong the proceedings on matters of high importance. Interestingly NS requested Army Chief to play the arbitrator role thinking that Army Chief would threaten his adversaries and Army Chiefs threat would be enough to force both IK and TUQ to pull-out. To his surprise that tactics gave more momentum to IK and TUQ and people started thinking that no ISI is not siding with PTI or PAT but with PML(N) and that propaganda started losing ground and after completion of one month of sit-in has given more force to the fact that ISI is siding with PML(N).

In this background if one can ponder then only one thing comes to mind that PML(N) has come into power with the blessing of Army or ISI and Judiciary and still these two powers are covertly assisting PML(N) in resisting status quo forces. Saying that PTI is working on the behest of Army / ISI would be idiotic.
 

desan

President (40k+ posts)
Chor machaaye shor....

Casting aspersions on others, while secretly meeting with them in the dark of night!!!!
 
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Moula

MPA (400+ posts)
chekko chilao nobody would take this crap now. in batoon ko sirf nooray ab pertay haan
 
I am not sure if you deliberately overlooked the following or it was an honest over look....but here are couple of FACTS which are very fresh in every ones mind...

1. All news papers were filled with news and claims of then PMLq's Shujaat and Pervez Ilahi who actually went all the way up to General Kiyani (then COAS) and complained about General Pasha that ISI was calling PMLq mna/mpas to join PTI....

2. Secondly just this past week YOUR PTI President has with extreme details has mentioned that IK, Sheikh Rasheed and many who pointed to not ONLY ISI but to judiciary aswell...

So brother PTI IS a tool of ISI and being used as one to RUIN our country just as they have done in past
 

khalilqureshi

Senator (1k+ posts)
I am not sure if you deliberately overlooked the following or it was an honest over look....but here are couple of FACTS which are very fresh in every ones mind...

1. All news papers were filled with news and claims of then PMLq's Shujaat and Pervez Ilahi who actually went all the way up to General Kiyani (then COAS) and complained about General Pasha that ISI was calling PMLq mna/mpas to join PTI....

2. Secondly just this past week YOUR PTI President has with extreme details has mentioned that IK, Sheikh Rasheed and many who pointed to not ONLY ISI but to judiciary aswell...

So brother PTI IS a tool of ISI and being used as one to RUIN our country just as they have done in past

Dear PakZidaBad1. I respect your views but there is famous Urdu saying "Hain Kawakb aur Nazar atey hain aur" and thats what I tried to prove that actually there is a nexus between ISI and PMLN. Now come to points raised by you. First thing what Chaudri brothers said is very unknown thing but actually how many PMLQ members joined PMLN is a big fact almost 95 % joined PMLN and rest joind either PPPP or PTI. This facts says itself what is the reality behind the curtains. So far Jawed Hashmi is concerned his timings are very suspicious. He was President of PTI and effectively He knew every thing abou PTI, its Chairman and its affiliations and I would only say this one is no less than Brutus act. I believe He joined PTI sincerely, as what is commonly being said against him that he was planted the reason why he did this to PTI was Shah Mehmood Qureshi. Every one knows they have been rivals for over two decades and only Imran managed to make them work together but that rivalry came to fore again during this long march and sit in. Imran Khan despite the fact that Jawed Hashmi was President PTI gave opportunity to SMQ due to his being effective in bargaining talks and this was purely a decision that was serving interest of PTI but JH took it personal and made it Ego issue and in most of the case ego let people down like it is letting JH and NS down.
 
Dear PakZidaBad1. I respect your views but there is famous Urdu saying "Hain Kawakb aur Nazar atey hain aur" and thats what I tried to prove that actually there is a nexus between ISI and PMLN. Now come to points raised by you. First thing what Chaudri brothers said is very unknown thing but actually how many PMLQ members joined PMLN is a big fact almost 95 % joined PMLN and rest joind either PPPP or PTI. This facts says itself what is the reality behind the curtains. So far Jawed Hashmi is concerned his timings are very suspicious. He was President of PTI and effectively He knew every thing abou PTI, its Chairman and its affiliations and I would only say this one is no less than Brutus act. I believe He joined PTI sincerely, as what is commonly being said against him that he was planted the reason why he did this to PTI was Shah Mehmood Qureshi. Every one knows they have been rivals for over two decades and only Imran managed to make them work together but that rivalry came to fore again during this long march and sit in. Imran Khan despite the fact that Jawed Hashmi was President PTI gave opportunity to SMQ due to his being effective in bargaining talks and this was purely a decision that was serving interest of PTI but JH took it personal and made it Ego issue and in most of the case ego let people down like it is letting JH and NS down.

PMLn did have the ISI connection, but they are the worst critics of army in past decade....secondly you mention yourself that JH was part of the elite group in PTI therefore, it is obvious that what he has said is very dangerous and serious that IK has mentioned in many gatherings that he was part of a conspiracy by army where current CJ is involved as well....oh well information is out there, believing or not is individuals preference. Have a good day
 

khalilqureshi

Senator (1k+ posts)
PMLn did have the ISI connection, but they are the worst critics of army in past decade....secondly you mention yourself that JH was part of the elite group in PTI therefore, it is obvious that what he has said is very dangerous and serious that IK has mentioned in many gatherings that he was part of a conspiracy by army where current CJ is involved as well....oh well information is out there, believing or not is individuals preference. Have a good day
No Dear you took it wrong again. When I said he was elite member, that means he should have resigned very early, if he is really honest. His choice of time reflects that he had bed relations with SMQ and after leaving party he could not say that. To live in political life he has to say something and again his choice of accusation is wrong and it would make him a political liability to every party. He actually have committed political suicide. I am going to sleep. I am very much clear, You just think again what I said "Hain Kawakb aur Nazar atey hain aur".