Is Democracy good for Pakistan

[sarbakaf]

Need reply from all respected members.

We have had democratic governments few times starting from 1950 - 2011
and few Martial laws but each time we end up in even deeper disaster.

Is democracy really for pakistan .which means Dr Abdul Qadir khan and an illetrate person has equal voting right ?

What system should we have and more importantly how will we have that system?

 

[famamdani]

ONLY ONE REASON BRO::::::::::::::::WE HAVE DONE MUNAFIQAT WITH ALMIGHTY ALLAH:::::::::::::::::::
AND WE REAPET AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN::::::::::::::::::WHAT U AWAITING ........................u put a tree of babool and u think come Appel.............forgated.......................start self revolated................make a practical muslim.............then see u 100% around u this change............can u chalange..................then take a chance.......................and chalange your self.......................its very hard or ...................????????

 

[saint]

Is there any other system you can think of ? BTW, having just elections is not called democracy and that's what exactly we have in Pakistan .. just elections .. it is more appropriate to call this system donkey-cracy rather democracy

 

[rajakhanmd]

The present form of democracy practiced in Pakistan has many flaws. But I still believe that this flawed system can also deliver if we have honest representatives on the driving seats.

 

[mistehbab]

Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

I want Khilafat system. It is our! system. System of governance of Muslims.

We'v seen democracy for the last 64 years in Pakistan, as well as all throughout the world in this last 110 years. I don't want more of it.

 

[saint]

how do we have honest representatives ? representatives are direct out come of the system ... I find it totally illogical to keep running the severely flawed system and hoping one day honest and competent people will surface. In fact it is other way round .. longer you run this system more and more corrupt and incompetent people we would have

 

[rolnrol]

First of all as being a muslim we don't need any other system, we already have a way of life or agar kisi ko shak hay then you should reconsider your faith. Second Is Democracy good for Pakistan ? thats out of question as Democracy is not good for any body as it is nothing but an illusion cause people will only vote for some one they know and they will only know the person who can promot himself . Example there were three candidates in usa elections and 80% of USA population did not know about the third one " Ron paul " as media blacklisted him cause media is owned by corporations and the corporations will promote the person who is good for them and not for the people.for me Democracy is nothing more then a stage show it is imperialim shared amongst few families. asan alfaz Jagirdari or wadera system simple. Cause you don't have many option either be a slave of Allah or be a slave of a man.

 

[molvirpg]

Any system will work, as long as those who are entrusted, or who usurp, are sincere, honest, dedicated and fully committed to the cause of a nation and its goals.


Any cracy, ism, torship or religion for that matter is as good as those who practice and run it.

 

[LeftBrain]

how many systems have you reviewed? what are the pros and cons of other systems? what exactly democracy has to do with any problem in Pakistan?

 

[mrcritic]

Pakistan's democracy is as good as TOILET PAPER.

We need Khilafat model. Care taker government.

 

[greywolf]

I might sound off-base here but I stand by my opinion ... try any system, Presidential, Parliamentary, Martial Law, Democracy, National Government (Technocrats) or whatever ... but first and foremost ... try and stop foreign invasion and dictation when taking decisions for your own country ... till then, even Khilafah won't work.

 

[rajakhanmd]

@saint

I do not know the answer that how we can have honest representatives? How changing from democracy to any other system will give us honest representatives ? I believe that the masses will still elect the same people, though the name may change from MNA's, MPA's, PM, CM or President to Khadim, or XYZ.

In my humble opinion, rule of law and justice can ensure the optimum performance from anyone and this can make any system work.

 

[leboheme]

Hello All,

Great topic, by the way. Many of you have given different comments on democracy. Some have said that the Islamic system is waht we need. I think for a good discussion on any system, perhps teh most important question is defining that system. So here are some of my questions from all of you:

1) What do you think is democracy?
2) What in your opinion would be the features of an ideal democratic state?
3) What is the Islamic sytem of governance?
4) What feature do you think a good ISlanic government should have?

I think the answers to the above should be begining of this discussion.

So can anybody enlighten me?

 

[Wadaich]

Good Question.

Hello All,

Great topic, by the way. Many of you have given different comments on democracy. Some have said that the Islamic system is waht we need. I think for a good discussion on any system, perhps teh most important question is defining that system. So here are some of my questions from all of you:

1) What do you think is democracy?
2) What in your opinion would be the features of an ideal democratic state?
3) What is the Islamic sytem of governance?
4) What feature do you think a good ISlanic government should have?

I think the answers to the above should be begining of this discussion.

So can anybody enlighten me?

Please consider the following with an Allah fearing mind:

1) Democracy as devised by its proponents is worst form of the government devised by the Capitalists to hide their crimes under the cover of the slogan "Government of the people, by the people, for the people"

i. Under this system a nation can never get united into one nation (As there are multiple parties and difference of opinion is the soul of it).
ii. The legislative and governance power lies with people not with Allah (the results are legislation about gay marriages, prostitution and so on).
iii. Look at the most successful democratic countries on the earth, and calculate the %age of poor and downtrodden in the parliaments. It would not be more than 5 to 6%.
iv. See the so called welfare states. The only good things are borrowed from Khilafat-e-Rashida. Even then, the common man is used like the animals to fill the bank accounts of the few hundrad rich person.
v. Every party's goal is to get into the power it does not matter how. In the race of this game parties are exploited. These are only the few of the "Barakat of DEMOCRACY".

2) Exploitation of the common man, keeping him on the ventilator of bare minimum through state support with the help of which he can serve the DEMOCRACY ELITE, the capitalists. Morality, and social values must die.

3) Islamic system is based on SHOORA under the one AMEER who is most righteous among the people assisted the by the best of the people who are authority in their relevant field of life (Fiqh, Sciences, Health, Administration, Justice etc.) The legislation is according to Quraan & Sunnah, and then through Ijtihad. Today the nearest match is Chinees Government, just add Quraan & Sunnah it.

4) Look at the reign of Umar-Ibn-Khitab and Umar-Ibn-Abdul Aziz.

 

[Rana Tahir Mahmood]

The crux of the matter is that "No System can work if the implementing machinery is not Sincere with their targets."

 

[Ammar isb]

I am simply amazed by the logic is democracy well suited for Pakistan as per you logic Abdul Qadeer Khan and an illiterate man would have the same voting rights. So what you are advocating is that the poor and marginalized should not have any voice just because you think they can make an informed choice, illiteracy exists on a similar level in India and they have functioned well as democratic state. Also please do offer an alternative system of governance some on here suggested Khilafat but that’s like an pie in sky, no other state is following it at least democracy is well-tested and we know the merits and demerits such as it is due to democracy that we have a unanimous public support for the war against terror.

 

[leboheme]

Please consider the following with an Allah fearing mind:

1) Democracy as devised by its proponents is worst form of the government devised by the Capitalists to hide their crimes under the cover of the slogan "Government of the people, by the people, for the people"

i. Under this system a nation can never get united into one nation (As there are multiple parties and difference of opinion is the soul of it).
ii. The legislative and governance power lies with people not with Allah (the results are legislation about gay marriages, prostitution and so on).
iii. Look at the most successful democratic countries on the earth, and calculate the %age of poor and downtrodden in the parliaments. It would not be more than 5 to 6%.
iv. See the so called welfare states. The only good things are borrowed from Khilafat-e-Rashida. Even then, the common man is used like the animals to fill the bank accounts of the few hundrad rich person.
v. Every party's goal is to get into the power it does not matter how. In the race of this game parties are exploited. These are only the few of the "Barakat of DEMOCRACY".

2) Exploitation of the common man, keeping him on the ventilator of bare minimum through state support with the help of which he can serve the DEMOCRACY ELITE, the capitalists. Morality, and social values must die.

3) Islamic system is based on SHOORA under the one AMEER who is most righteous among the people assisted the by the best of the people who are authority in their relevant field of life (Fiqh, Sciences, Health, Administration, Justice etc.) The legislation is according to Quraan & Sunnah, and then through Ijtihad. Today the nearest match is Chinees Government, just add Quraan & Sunnah it.

4) Look at the reign of Umar-Ibn-Khitab and Umar-Ibn-Abdul Aziz.

I want to begin by saying that your assumption is unfair. What I understand from your first line is that if I don’t agree with you then I am not a God fearing muslim, which is not true.
Coming to your reply on democracy, you have only pointed out demerits in democracy as it is practiced, without commenting on the point that what is democracy. Even the best of concepts and ideologies can be perverted by its practitioners. As muslims we believe that Islam is provides us with the best system but haven’t people practiced Islam and applied its governance systems in the wrong way?
My question still remains: what is democracy, what are its assumptions, and what are its tenets? And this we need to discuss irrespective of the fact that who practices it, and where the actual system was developed.
As for your points on Islamic system of governance, I have two more questions:
1) When we do not have a Prophet, who gets Divine guidance, then how do we select the most righteous person as our caliph? I mean who decides that which person is fit to be a Caliph?
2) You talked about Shoora, what is the purpose of shoora and how does one get to be a member of the shoora?