Iraq: A Mirror for Afghanistans Future


Minister (2k+ posts)
If anyone wants to know what Afghanistan will look like whenever the United States finally gives up its meaningless occupation, take one look at Iraq. After 24 years of perpetual American war in Iraq – an invasion, a decade long no-fly zone, international sanctions, a second invasion, an occupation, the overthrow of a dictator and the installation of a puppet democracy – Iraq is anything but stable. Is this really any surprise? Over the past few months the international community has watched a group of Islamic thugs (ISIS) completely overrun the artificial Baghdad government, take possession of millions of dollars’ worth of American-made war material, and stage a number of gruesome public executions. The fact that there are people in the world who behave in such ways is a disgusting tragedy, but the chain of events that has led to such an outcome got a running start with the perpetual meddling in the region. The same recipe has been brewing in Afghanistan for the last 13 years and I expect that whenever the United States finally turns over the country to its inhabitants, parallel chaos will not be far behind it.

When you step off the plane at Bagram Air Base in Northern Afghanistan the first thing you notice (besides the mountains) are the sheer numbers of permanent structures, the hundreds of tons of concrete, and the immense inventory of Mine Resistant Ambush Protected (MRAP) vehicles that now litter the ground. Tent city and many of the plywood basic huts have long been replaced by rows of three-story steel buildings and permanent structures – what a difference a decade makes! Without question, the present situation is night and day from that of the horse soldiers whose original intent was at least morally justifiable – capture the man allegedly behind September 11[SUP]th[/SUP] – Osama Bin Laden. Although the second invasion of Iraq sidelined the search for half a decade, it has now been more than three years since Bin Laden was executed and the continued American presence makes one wonder when the referendum on making Afghanistan the 51[SUP]st[/SUP] state will be. So why hasn’t the United States left and what happens if the United States government ever does decide to come home?

Why hasn’t the United States left?
The United States hasn’t left Afghanistan for several reasons: first and foremost, the United States government recognizes that the Afghani government is in shambles. Had US forces left in 2011 after Bin Laden was killed, what government exists in Kabul would have been overrun by the Taliban the instant the Americans took off – possibly while they were on the way out. The fact is that nation-building in such a ridiculously remote and ethnically fractional territory was doomed from the start – it is still doomed and will continue to be doomed indefinitely. There’s a reason Afghanistan is called "the graveyard of empires." That said, now that the American government has publicly committed to stability in Afghanistan (which is irrelevant to American national security and has nothing to do with September 11[SUP]th[/SUP]), it would be embarrassing to miss the mark by too wide of a margin. Nobody in D.C. wants to lose face and even fewer wish to expose the emperor for what he is. Pride is the principal reason why the undeclared perpetual war against whomever rages on – more accurately termed imperial hubris. Having flown north of 500 hours in theater I can tell you from personal experience that the idea of preventing Afghanistan from becoming a terrorist safe haven is irreparably flawed – if anything, the American presence has emboldened terrorism, not rooted it out.

The second reason America hasn’t left is that American soldiers have built up legitimate relationships with many of the new Afghani soldiers and government officials (many of whom are decent people that want something better for their country). An American departure will leave these people extremely vulnerable in the absence of American protection. This is why so much time, money, blood, sweat, and tears have been expended trying to prop up the Afghan National Army (ANA) and Police (ANP) forces.

It is very understandable that many of the American soldiers and government officials would have reservations about simply abandoning these people, but equally hard to believe that such a sheltered force (the ANA and ANP), artificially propped up by American forces, could build up a sufficient immunity to survive the real world out there on their own.Unfortunately and inevitably, all of the effort is going to be wildly insufficient.

The central Afghani government is an experiment doomed to failure as American protection would be required for a century to sustain it. Simple economics rules this out as impossible. The Afghani government is artificial in that it lacks the organic support of an ethnically divided population and is hopelessly infected with sleeper Taliban agents. Very different from the average ANA, Taliban soldiers are ideologically driven, battle hardened, and relatively ruthless.

They have fought the Soviet Union and the United States for a combined 20 years and they will eventually take over whenever the United States departs the country. The unfortunate fact is that trying to perpetuate an unsustainable political situation in Kabul only makes the fall that much more devastating whenever it comes. The present Afghani government would be wise to sue for peace with the Taliban. That is exactly what they are doing behind the scenes and it is a reality worth explaining honestly to the American people – the sooner the better.

The third reason America hasn’t left is that Afghanistan has strategic utility to anyone with hegemonic ambition in Washington DC Along with the American blue-water Navy and American bases in Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Djibouti, Oman, the UAE, Qatar, Bahrain, Iraq, Kuwait, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgystan, Tajikstan, and Pakistan, Afghanistan provides a significant staging point for "American" "interests" in the region.

The American presence in Afghanistan is easier to sell under the pretense of terrorism than the American presence in Iraq. More to the point, Iraq and Afghanistan bracket Iran and as such serve as a logistical staging ground to influence policy in Tehran. Iranian policy is important for two reasons: first, it is the world’s largest, yet to be exploited, owner of natural gas and a geographically important thoroughfare via land to Europe and via the Persian Gulf to the rest of the world. American, European, Russian, and Chinese oil companies are competing for access to Iranian reserves. Second, and less credibly, the danger to further proliferate nuclear weapons should be a legitimate concern to everyone inasmuch as it is actually real.

Nuclear weapons in general are a danger to humanity. It is dangerous for the American government to have nuclear weapons just as much as it is dangerous for any other government to have them and a good starting point to dissolve any such Iranian ambition would be to lead by example and disarm. As a side note, this would be much more effective than bombing Iran.

What happens if the United States ever does decide to come home?
In short, the day the American military leaves Afghanistan is the day the Taliban and their ideological allies start to officially take over the government of Afghanistan. At this point the situation will start to look eerily similar to what we are seeing in present day Iraq. The sequence of future events should look something like this:

  1. Behind the scenes the United States will broker a handshake deal with the Taliban in vain hopes that they do not simply overrun the country again and uproot the Kabul government. This has been going on for years. It is also the primary motivation behind the recent Bergdahl prisoner exchange.
  2. An Active Duty military drawdown from theater will be followed by the eventual announcement that the "last" American boots are off the ground in Afghanistan. Instead of conventional active duty troops the United States will keep a small contingent of extra-governmental and special operations operators (CIA, private military contractors, JSOC personnel) in theater. Sorties will still be flown in country but all active duty airmen will launch from one of the permanent bases in theater (e.g. Al-Udeid Air Base in Qatar). American aviators will drop bombs with "civilian" controllers (in very limited areas) but will be hesitant to do so with exclusively Afghani personnel on the mic (the vast majority of the country).
  3. Some of the military gear is being shipped home as part of the military’s retrograde equipment program but the much of it "in theater" is likely to stay exactly where it is. From a financial perspective it would be more efficient to let it sit in the Afghan dust forever because the cost of transportation far outweighs the value of the equipment. Eventually I suspect much of it will be turned over to the supervision of an inept Afghani government or sold to other foreign nations somewhere along the silk-road (sound familiar?). This is a real-world example of how the military industrial complex works.
  4. To "compensate" the United States government, Kabul is likely to "buy" some military gear at a greatly discounted rate. Considering the fact that the entire GDP of Afghanistan is less than $35 billion (much of which comes from US service-members shopping at the base bazaar), it should be obvious that Afghanistan can’t actually pay for the equipment itself. Therefore the United States is likely to "help" them through the provision of foreign aid and a fiat money loan presumably coordinated by the IMF (which of course does not expect to actually be paid back except through further fiat loans). The net effect will be an attempt by the United States to buy soft power in yet another foreign administration and to justify government spending (despite the obvious losses) as a statistical contribution to American GDP.
  5. A little bit of time will pass – say, for example, one or two years after the removal of ground troops. There will be small news stories along the way about a skirmish here or there. Most incidents will go unreported as most news agencies will be evacuated from large portions of the country.

  6. The Kabul government’s deal with the Taliban will eventually fall apart. The Afghani military (that is entirely infiltrated by Taliban) will fall apart, and the United States government will be faced with the question of whether or not they want to ramp up bombing in Afghanistan again (sound familiar?).

  7. Some Talibani soldier will execute a former Kabul government loyalist and will publish their video on the Internet. People will justifiably be outraged by the cruelty of such an act. There will be calls by the press for the "international community" to do something. Women are also highly likely to be oppressed in some form or another. Despite the utterly disastrous and counterproductive occupation of Afghanistan, it is a credit to the United States’ effort that the situation for women in the country has been much improved. This will not last and unfortunately, this situation creates a lot of potential danger for women in the absence of American imperial protection.

  8. The Taliban will take over a portion of the country – likely in the largely Pashtun areas surrounding Kandahar. They will focus their efforts on remote outposts and will start to take command of former American outposts and military weaponry (just like they did with Soviet weaponry). The ANA and/or ANP in that area will completely fold – they will either run away or surrender (sound familiar?).

  9. The Taliban, although presently weakened, will eventually start to gain momentum in the country. They will also garner support from foreign fighters who will flood the country. At this point the neo-conservative and neo-liberal war maniacs in D.C. will start to bang the drums for more American intervention in the region (sound familiar?). Eventually the president, whoever it is at the time, will concede. An increased bombing campaign will be authorized and the president will claim that it’s a limited action in that no "boots are on the ground." This of course means no conventional active duty soldiers. The Special Forces and paramilitary types will have never left but they will be ill-equipped to fight the larger Taliban on their own. The war authorization will not be debated and the new war will not be declared. The president will act unilaterally using either the War Powers Resolution or a United Nations declaration and international consensus (which has no legal relevance) to lawfully protect him or herself. Congress will ignore the situation (being conveniently relieved of their responsibility to commit to a "yea" or "nay" vote and thus subject themselves to public scrutiny). Moral authority for such action will remain vague and most people will refuse to take any responsibility for their individual actions.
  10. Soldiers will pretend they’re defending the Constitution or will be entirely ignorant to the fact that such a document holds zero legal authority with regards to war in the modern American government. As such they will do exactly as they are ordered or they will be sent to prison.

  11. The Supreme Court will ignore any cases brought before it. Any alleged standing in court will be dismissed as irrelevant under the "political question" doctrine.

  12. The increased war spending will be monetized as required by the Federal Reserve System.
  13. Most Americans will continue to vote for their local zombie. They will be entirely unsatisfied with the Congress but will support their district’s incumbent nonetheless – it is the other ones that are the problem after all. Those who care enough to speak out will largely continue to pay their taxes because the IRS backlash will be individually devastating if they try to withhold their finances from perpetual war. Feeding their children will understandably take precedence in their mind and the war machine will carry on.

If the future looks anything like the past, that’s what I would expect. History is a prolific teacher.
Justin Pavoni is a former Air Force officer and F-15E evaluator pilot. Pavoni has deployed twice to Afghanistan, served as a Special Operations liaison, and has flown 550 combat hours.
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MPA (400+ posts)
I can feel a looser in this article ! Good observation though . " I would like to add something, India and Pakistan will infilitrate their rats into Afghanistan to keep thier arses safe, India will support ANP and army While Pakistani will support taliban to keep equilibrium. Pakistani Govt will push america into war on borders to still recieve funds and taxes from supply.


Minister (2k+ posts)
القاعدہ کے عناصر مشرق وسطی میں کتنے سالوں سے سرگرم عمل ہیں اس کا اندازہ آج عراق کے حالات سے ہوتا ہے ۔ القاعدہ نے فرقہ وارانہ تعصب اور استحصال کا فائدہ اٹھاتے ہوئے کچھ کامیابیاں حاصل کرلی ہیں تو اس کا مطلب یہ نہیں کہ افغانستان میں بھی القاعدہ اور طالبان کو ایسی ہی کامیابی حاصل ہوگی کیونکہ افغان فرقہ واریت میں بٹے ہوئے نہیں اور سب نے یک سو ہو کر انتخابات میں حصہ لے کر طالبانی نظریئے کو مسترد کر دیا ہے۔