Iranian scientist Kidnapped by CIA turns up at Pak mission in US

Nawazish

Minister (2k+ posts)
WASHINGTON/TEHRAN: An Iranian nuclear scientist who vanished more than a year ago mysteriously turned up in Washington on Tuesday, saying he had been kidnapped but the United States denied that he was held against his will.

Iran, which is locked in a standoff with the West over its suspected pursuit of nuclear weapons, has repeatedly accused the US Central Intelligence Agency of abducting Shahram Amiri, who worked for Irans Atomic Energy Organisation.

Amiri, who went missing during a pilgrimage to Saudi Arabia more than a year ago, appeared at the Iranian interests section of the Pakistani Embassy, which represents Iran because Tehran and Washington have no diplomatic relations.

A man identifying himself as Amiri has variously said in recent videos that he was kidnapped and tortured; that he was studying in the United States; and that he had fled the US agents and wanted human rights groups to help him return to Iran.

Amiri was quoted by Iranian state TV on Tuesday as saying my kidnapping was a disgraceful act for America. The mystery surrounding him fueled speculation that he may have had valuable intelligence about the Iranian nuclear programme.

In March, ABC News reported he defected and was helping the CIA. The US officials on Tuesday said Amiri had decided to return to Iran of his own volition.

My kidnapping was a disgraceful act for America ... I was under enormous psychological pressure and supervision of armed agents in the past 14 months, Amiri, who is in his thirties, was quoted as telling Irans state TV in a phone interview.

Amiri has been escorted by American forces to Irans interests section in Washington, Irans Press TV said. In June, the State Department said the United States had not kidnapped Amiri but did not address whether another country might have abducted the man and turned him over.

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton told reporters: Amiri has been in the United States of his own free will and he is free to go. She contrasted his situation with that of three US hikers in Iranian custody.

While the US officials denied they were looking to swap Amiri for the three Americans arrested near the Iraq border about a year ago, raising their case in connection with the nuclear scientist suggested they might be interested in an exchange.

In Tehran, Iranian foreign ministry spokesman Ramin Mehmanparast said: We do not think it is the right thing to discuss swapping Shahram Amiri for three Americans who illegally entered Iranian territory.

Shane Bauer, 27, Sarah Shourd, 31, and Josh Fattal, 27, say they strayed over the border while hiking in the mountains of northern Iraq. State Department spokesman PJ Crowley said Amiri was due to leave on Monday but was unable to make the necessary arrangements. Crowley said he had no information to suggest Amiri had been mistreated while in the United States. He did not address the possibility of Amiris mistreatment elsewhere.

http://thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=30031
 

gazoomartian

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Amiri has been escorted by American forces to Irans interests section in Washington, Irans Press TV said. In June, the State Department said the United States had not kidnapped Amiri but did not address whether another country might have abducted the man and turned him over.

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton told reporters: Amiri has been in the United States of his own free will and he is free to go. She contrasted his situation with that of three US hikers in Iranian custody."


Brother Ahmedinjad

Watch out!

This guy may not be the real Amiri. May be an Iranian American with face altered by plastic surgeons. :)
 

Night-Hawk

Senator (1k+ posts)
“Amiri has been escorted by American forces to Iran’s interests section in Washington,” Iran’s Press TV said. In June, the State Department said the United States had not kidnapped Amiri but did not address whether another country might have abducted the man and turned him over.

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton told reporters: “Amiri has been in the United States of his own free will and he is free to go.” She contrasted his situation with that of three US hikers in Iranian custody."


Brother Ahmedinjad

Watch out!

This guy may not be the real Amiri. May be an Iranian American with face altered by plastic surgeons. :)

Gazoo Brother ! There is question here that why Amiri came to Pakistani Embassy ? Don't you smell something fishy ? Is this a conspiracy like Ganga plane hijacking back in 1971 ? Can we trust Iranians particularly when we have bitter history in the past on many strategic issues.
 

digitalzygot

Senator (1k+ posts)
NH never trust anyone you are right, there's something big going on. US and Israel are upto something big.
 

Night-Hawk

Senator (1k+ posts)
NH never trust anyone you are right, there's something big going on. US and Israel are upto something big.


@digitalzygot
Yes brother ! Iran and Libya both revealed Pakistani involvement in their nuclear programmes ---- much to the dismay of Pakistanis, while North Koreans being non-Muslims stood their ground and never attributed to Pakistani involvement in their nuclear programme despite the international accusations.
 

gazoomartian

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Gazoo Brother ! There is question here that why Amiri came to Pakistani Embassy ? Don't you smell something fishy ? Is this a conspiracy like Ganga plane hijacking back in 1971 ? Can we trust Iranians particularly when we have bitter history in the past on many strategic issues.


YES I do smell a RAT here, thats what I meant in my original reply
 

gazoomartian

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
NH never trust anyone you are right, there's something big going on. US and Israel are upto something big.

It will be interesting to see if Iranians can grasp the possible conspiracy or not. Hollywood and/or CIA lab is quiet capable of reconstructing a face.

If I had money I would ask them to reconstruct MY face too. I want to look 27 years old :lol:
 

Star Gazer

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
What is of interest to me also is the fact that once again it is Pakistan coming to help Iran and Iranians in US and it is not india, in the light of this information I expect a whole lot better attitude from Iran, stop india from it's heinous activities in Pakistan,or, maybe even break diplomatic ties with india.
Protect our border in Baluchistan with Iran, and do not let it be abused by the indians and other enemies of the people of Pakistan.
They must be beholden to Pakistan for the help in times of difficulty. I am not saying this like a demand but do expect it from the muslim brother to reciprocate in same kind.
 
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bons

Minister (2k+ posts)
“Amiri has been escorted by American forces to Iran’s interests section in Washington,” Iran’s Press TV said. In June, the State Department said the United States had not kidnapped Amiri but did not address whether another country might have abducted the man and turned him over.

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton told reporters: “Amiri has been in the United States of his own free will and he is free to go.” She contrasted his situation with that of three US hikers in Iranian custody."


Brother Ahmedinjad

Watch out!

This guy may not be the real Amiri. May be an Iranian American with face altered by plastic surgeons. :)

It is also possible that he is the real scientist but Americans have brainwashed/hypnotized/reprogrammed him. They have dedicated departments working on mind sciences and there are many advanced techniques for controlling human brain. The secrets are revealed by one of their ex-psychic spy in his book "The Seventh Sense"
http://www.amazon.com/Seventh-Sense-Secrets-Viewing-Military/dp/0743462688#reader_0743462688
 

gazoomartian

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
It is also possible that he is the real scientist but Americans have brainwashed/hypnotized/reprogrammed him. They have dedicated departments working on mind sciences and there are many advanced techniques for controlling human brain. The secrets are revealed by one of their ex-psychic spy in his book "The Seventh Sense"
http://www.amazon.com/Seventh-Sense-Secrets-Viewing-Military/dp/0743462688#reader_0743462688

YES its quiet possible that he is the real one with 'new' brain. Also, CIA does have chemical substance that can alter one's mind by administering in food or such. They tested in 1954 in McGil University Quebec Canada. Then experimented 'live' on Iran (installed Shah) in 1953, installed Ayub Khan (1958 or 59). With these two successful experiments they expanded their project to places like Marcos of Phillipines, but most notable Mikhael Gorbachav that helped brought down the Soviet Union. Yes you folks might object this, but fact is, Gorbachav made few visits to white house then suddenly softened up on the US, started talking about end of cold war etc. Suddenly Lech valensa of Poland appeared, you know the rest.

Anyway, yes I agree with you, this 'Amiri' could be a real one.

Star gazer: the reason he showed up at the Paki mission because Pak is handling Iran's interest because Iran/US do not have any diplomatic relations.
 

Night-Hawk

Senator (1k+ posts)
What is of interest to me also is the fact that once again it is Pakistan coming to help Iran and Iranians in US and it is not india, in the light of this information I expect a whole lot better attitude from Iran, stop india from it's heinous activities in Pakistan,or, maybe even break diplomatic ties with india.
Protect our border in Baluchistan with Iran, and do not let it be abused by the indians and other enemies of the people of Pakistan.
They must be beholden to Pakistan for the help in times of difficulty. I am not saying this like a demand but do expect it from the muslim brother to reciprocate in same kind.

Sadly what is going on is quite opposite to what you have said. We can boastfully say that Iran used to be our good friend but we saw a paradigm shift in Pak-Iran relations after April 1979. Pakistan had strong relations with Shah but our then president committed a faux pas by visiting Iran while revolutionaries were about to seize power. This left doubts in the minds of new regime and they saw us as collaborators of America. December 25, 1979 changed the dimensions altogether, as USSR invaded Afghanistan (Zia famously called it Brezhnev's Christmas Present). Our government supported Afghans whose larger chunk was followers of hard-line sunni ideology. Iranian revolutionaries thought on the other hand that their revolution was a gift to export (to the neighboring countries like Pakistan). This led to proxy wars between agencies backed by Iran, Saudi Arabia and UAE, with Pakistan becoming the battleground. Shia and Sunni violence of 80s not only killed Pakistani youth on either sides but strained Pak-Iran relations further. In the following year (1980) Iraq invaded Iran over Shatt-ul-Arab dispute and our government failed to adopt clear policy over it. Although covertly we supported Iran but diplomatically no clear cut stance was announced. This further complicated our controversy prone relationship.

The fall of Kabul, civil war and then advent of Taliban were the incidents in which we see Pakistan and Iran standing poles apart. This was the time when relationship entered from controversial phase to hostile phase. This was the time when we see Iranian tilt towards India and collaboration with Russians and Indians in northern Afghanistan. Although after the fall of Taliban regime there is some sort of reconciliation between two countries but pace remains slow. Arrest of Abdul Malek Regi and some others can be regarded as confidence building measures but you cannot feel the warmth of relationship. The positive signs from Pakistani perspective are strained Indo-Iranian relationship after Indian withdrawl from IPI gas pipeline and Indian vote against Iran in UNSC.

Iranian interest in Balochistan (Pakistani Balochistan) is from Shah's era. Shah once said, "If it is free for all, I would take Balochistan". So desire is there, and that is obviously for long term strategic interests. Iran considers us rivals in regional warm waters. Iran has developed a deep sea port Chah-bahar to compete with Gawader. Iran also wishes to compete with us in race towards Oxus. They like us want to give corridor to the landlocked Central Asians. They have outpaced us and have linked Turkmenistan with Bandar Abbas and Chah Bahar by rail. Thriving Gawader and Balochistan on Pakistani side is not in Iranian vested interests. This is also coupled with historical sense of beleaguering in Shiite Iran. A Shiite country having long history of wars with Sunni Ottomans and then hostile relationship with Sunni Arabs states gives us an insight into Irani psyche. Initially threat was felt from Arab countries and whole Iranian defence was meant for Iraq and Saudi Arabia. But after Pakistani nuclear tests a school of thought has emerged in Iran which considers more potent threat from Pakistan (sunni pakistan in their psyche).

Getting down to brass-tacks, I would say that Iranians have exploited on American weakness in this war on terror , both in Iraq and Afghanistan. And it is my personal opinion that Iran is a major bully in this region. Disturbance in Pakistani Balochistan is backed by both Iran and USA. You can say that this bond is a "marriage of convenience". While Indians are playing their own game sometimes alone and sometimes in collaboration with aforementioned countries. Their sole aim is to stir the pot to such an extent that international community recognizes the analogy of Balochistan vis-a-vis Kashmir. Pakistanis are trying their best to neutralize Iranians in this great game but no one can predict the future.
 
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Night-Hawk

Senator (1k+ posts)
YES its quiet possible that he is the real one with 'new' brain. Also, CIA does have chemical substance that can alter one's mind by administering in food or such. They tested in 1954 in McGil University Quebec Canada. Then experimented 'live' on Iran (installed Shah) in 1953, installed Ayub Khan (1958 or 59). With these two successful experiments they expanded their project to places like Marcos of Phillipines, but most notable Mikhael Gorbachav that helped brought down the Soviet Union. Yes you folks might object this, but fact is, Gorbachav made few visits to white house then suddenly softened up on the US, started talking about end of cold war etc. Suddenly Lech valensa of Poland appeared, you know the rest.

Anyway, yes I agree with you, this 'Amiri' could be a real one.

Star gazer: the reason he showed up at the Paki mission because Pak is handling Iran's interest because Iran/US do not have any diplomatic relations.

Then why they didn't use it in 1959 when Nikita Khrushchev toured USA. After all he was the one who said , " We will bury you". :)
 

digitalzygot

Senator (1k+ posts)
Iranian scientist claims he suffered extreme mental and physical torture at the hands of US interrogators

TEHRAN: An Iranian nuclear scientist who surfaced in Washington after disappearing since June last year amid allegations that he was abducted by US spies arrived in Tehran Thursday, an AFP correspondent said.
Shahram Amiri arrived at Tehrans Imam Khomeini airport at around 5:30 am local time and was welcomed by his wife and other family members and deputy foreign minister Hassan Ghashghavi. He was continuously flashing victory sign as he met his family.

Amiri had gone missing from Saudi Arabia in June 2009 while on a pilgrimage and surfaced in Irans Interests Section in Washington on Tuesday.Iranian officials claim he was kidnapped by the Central Intelligence Agency of the United States. On Tuesday, Amiri took refuge in Irans Interests Section office in Washington and gave interviews to Iranian television, claiming he had been abducted and saying he wanted to go home as soon as possible.

Amiri said in an interview broadcast on Iranian state television he had been abducted at gunpoint in Saudi Arabia. He said he had been approached by besuited Farsi-speaking men in a car in the Saudi city of Medina and offered a ride to the mosque. As I opened the door, one of the passengers pulled out a gun and told me to be quiet. They gave me an injection and when I came around I was in a big plane. I was blindfolded. It was likely a military plane, he said. Amiri said he had been under intense mental torture during the past 14 months and vowed to reveal full details of his ordeal when he returns home.
 

gazoomartian

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Then why they didn't use it in 1959 when Nikita Khrushchev toured USA. After all he was the one who said , " We will bury you". :)

Because it was not perfected then yet. Also, USSR would have been a wrong country to keep experimenting. But they did when they perfected the drug
 

Night-Hawk

Senator (1k+ posts)
TEHRAN: An Iranian nuclear scientist who surfaced in Washington after disappearing since June last year amid allegations that he was “abducted” by US spies arrived in Tehran Thursday, an AFP correspondent said.
Shahram Amiri arrived at Tehran’s Imam Khomeini airport at around 5:30 am local time and was welcomed by his wife and other family members and deputy foreign minister Hassan Ghashghavi. He was continuously flashing victory sign as he met his family.

Amiri had gone missing from Saudi Arabia in June 2009 while on a pilgrimage and surfaced in Iran’s Interests Section in Washington on Tuesday.Iranian officials claim he was kidnapped by the Central Intelligence Agency of the United States. On Tuesday, Amiri took refuge in Iran’s Interests Section office in Washington and gave interviews to Iranian television, claiming he had been abducted and saying he wanted to go home as soon as possible.

Amiri said in an interview broadcast on Iranian state television he had been abducted at gunpoint in Saudi Arabia. He said he had been approached by besuited Farsi-speaking men in a car in the Saudi city of Medina and offered a ride to the mosque. “As I opened the door, one of the passengers pulled out a gun and told me to be quiet. They gave me an injection and when I came around I was in a big plane. I was blindfolded. It was likely a military plane,” he said. Amiri said he had been under “intense mental torture” during the past 14 months and vowed to reveal full details of his ordeal when he returns home.

U.S. paid Iranian nuclear scientist $5 million: report
http://ca.reuters.com/article/topNews/idCALDE66D04E20100715

To me this whole drama seems like a false flag operation.
 

Night-Hawk

Senator (1k+ posts)
Because it was not perfected then yet. Also, USSR would have been a wrong country to keep experimenting. But they did when they perfected the drug

Yes it was the same USSR, which threatened to intervene in Ramadan war of 1973, and saved Egyptians from total annihilation at the hands of American backed Israel. Americans didn't take them for granted.
 

desicad

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
What is of interest to me also is the fact that once again it is Pakistan coming to help Iran and Iranians in US and it is not india, in the light of this information I expect a whole lot better attitude from Iran, stop india from it's heinous activities in Pakistan,or, maybe even break diplomatic ties with india.
Protect our border in Baluchistan with Iran, and do not let it be abused by the indians and other enemies of the people of Pakistan.
They must be beholden to Pakistan for the help in times of difficulty. I am not saying this like a demand but do expect it from the muslim brother to reciprocate in same kind.
Can you please explain what you mean by 'once again'?
'.....it is not India'......This story involves Iran, US and pakistan and India is nowhere in the picture. When you think you will be able to get over your India obsession? ;)
You are advising Iran to break diplomatic ties with India for so called Indian sponsored troubles inside pakistan, but what about pakistan having diplomatic relations. May be you first want to convince your govt. to severe ties with India. Charity begins at home.
There is no such thing as muslim brotherhood, it is just a big myth!!!!
BTW do you even have a little bit of knowledge about current geo political situation? '......even break diplomatic ties with India'.....this is one of the most absurd statement I have come across. Wonder you ever think before posting anything. :)
 

shaheedchoudry

Minister (2k+ posts)
desicad wrote;
There is no such thing as muslim brotherhood, it is just a big myth!!!!

Caliph Abu Bakr and his son were talking to each other about the previous war they had fought against each other. Remember in that war son had not converted to Islam yet and was fighting from the other end. During the fight son had a chance to kill his father but he had spared his father. Now son was telling to his father that he spared his life. Now Hazrat abu bakr said to his son was,"oh my son if you had been on my target, you would be dead for sure"...........Yes muslim brotherhood is a big myth and I believe you can decode this myth very easily..repeat after me...."la ila ha illalah ho , muhammad ur rasoool ullah"
 

Night-Hawk

Senator (1k+ posts)
desicad wrote;
There is no such thing as muslim brotherhood, it is just a big myth!!!!

Caliph Abu Bakr and his son were talking to each other about the previous war they had fought against each other. Remember in that war son had not converted to Islam yet and was fighting from the other end. During the fight son had a chance to kill his father but he had spared his father. Now son was telling to his father that he spared his life. Now Hazrat abu bakr said to his son was,"oh my son if you had been on my target, you would be dead for sure"...........Yes muslim brotherhood is a big myth and I believe you can decode this myth very easily..repeat after me...."la ila ha illalah ho , muhammad ur rasoool ullah"

What a great reply !!!! Mr. Desicad --- Aazmaish shart hai.....
 

Hammad1

New Member
Reply of Iranian scientist kidnapping

It is indeed a very sad incident and very shameful on the part of American govt to kidnap an Iranian Scientist.It is one of the worst forms of human rights violation.They kept him in custody and tortured him as well.It is even more disgracing that the American govt is denying any involvement in it.It should be ashamed of it`s conduct and seek forgiveness from the Iranian government.