India has lost Kashmir

Geek

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Whether Kashmir gets freedom or not, India, for sure, is going to lose its ground completely from the valley

Mehdi Siddique

After achieving freedom from the colonial British rule in 1947, India declared itself a democratic country. A country where none shall be oppressed and all will be given equal chances to grow economically, socially and morally regardless of their language, colour, creed, and religion etc.
Accordingly a constitution was framed which gave these opportunities to its citizens and all were directly obliged to adhere to the constitution.Nevertheless, the citizens of India were given some basic and important rights, which aimed to uplift a common citizen and help him to come out of the major problems. These rights came to be known as Fundamental Rights. The seven fundamental rights recognised by the constitution are right to equality, right to freedom, right to freedom from exploitation, right to freedom of religion, cultural and educational rights, right to constitutional remedies and right to education.

And now, after 63 years of Independent India, we witness a new India, which it never was supposed to be. People of India never fought to see a day like this, when their own made government would have no respect for the sentiments, and feelings for the people which they claim to be their own very part. We now witness a so called big democracy in a big crisis.

Kashmir- the so called integral part of India has lost 100 thousand lives just to attain something which is very much democratic, constitutional, and just in nature. Fundamentally, people of Kashmir want peace. What does the Indian constitution say about those who want to live in peace, those who dont want to see their kith and kin killed by the CRPF bullets?

But, as already mentioned, the present day India is not the India it was supposed to be. The government of India is afraid to address the vexed issue of Kashmir and solve the dispute in accordance to the wishes and aspirations of Kashmiri people.

On one hand the government of India claims Kashmir to be its integral part and on the other it is detaining the people of Kashmir of the fundamental rights which it should grant to Kashmiris if its claim is true. If Kashmir is really an integral part of India then why:

1. More then 52 civilians were killed by the Paramilitary forces in last twos months unrest, more than 60 killed since June, 11, 2010 and more than 100 thousand people were killed in last two decades. To this the government both at centre and state replies that- these civilians are not civilians at all, they carry stones in their hands and provoke the Paramilitary forces. If this is the case then why- in Mumbai, Delhi etc water tanks are used to disperse the protestors (who carry the same stones) while here no other option is found but to open fire at the angry mobs. And it is even more ironical to see that out of the 31 patients with the bullet injuries, admitted in SKIMS on Aug 2, 2010, 15 have been shot above the legs with 14 on head. Protection of life and personal liberty is mentioned in the Article 21 of Indian constitution which the Indian government is itself defying in Kashmir.

2. Local population is being harassed for peaceful protest; even those protesting over FACEBOOK are not spared. And FIR is being hammered on all of them. What has happened to the freedom of speech which is supposed to be the fundamental right of every citizen of India, are the commoners not even allowed to raise their voices over the unending blood bath?

3. Kashmiris, specifically, when outside state are harassed in hotels, motels etc and are often wrongly convicted as terrorists etc. They are always looked upon with suspicion and doubt. Hence Kashmiris are even deprived of the first fundamental right which Indian constitution grants to its citizens, that is the right to equality.

4. 7 lakh troopers have been deployed and many of the battalions are stationed in populated areas. The total population of Kashmir is around 80 lakh which means the troops-civilian ratio is 1:10 which is highest in the entire world.

These points are enough to prove that the claim of India that Kashmir is their integral part if hollow in totality. How can it be an integral part of India when the basic rights which are enjoyed by each and every Indian citizen are not granted to Kashmiris? In reality, the so called one of the biggest democracies of the world is at war with the people of Kashmir.

Moreover, the government of India seems to be least concerned in even addressing the issue of Kashmir in a proper way. They wait until the situation goes from bad to worse. There were seldom any serious talks before the August, 2008 protests in Kashmir which was originally triggered by Amarnath land issue. For the time being talks continued under the banner of Quiet diplomacy which no one has ever explained and no one ever understood. Similarly, the seriousness and concern of India rose only after the killings in June, 11 this year.

India has lost Kashmir because of its own faults. The Indian government has never accepted their faults where they should have. Had Indian government been more sincere in approach, maybe, the situation would not have been worse as it is today. Had it employed democratic tools which it claims to abide by, may be the situation would not have been so disastrous.

At the top of it, New Delhi is using the wrong tactics to tackle the Kashmir issue. This is what it has become, more of a tackling nature than resolving one. Where Kashmiris are demanding revocation of the draconic laws like AFSPA and troop reduction and demilitarisation in public areas, state government supported by the centre is keen in pumping in even army, more units of CRPF and now Rapid Action Force (RAF) is all set to find its stake in the valley too. This clearly shows that Indian government is miscalculating the facts somewhere. They are not reaching out to the people of Kashmir and are not interested in knowing as to what the demands of the people are. This is where India as a democratic country has landed just after 63 year of its independence.

It should be noted that the spirit of azadi amongst the masses is very strong at the grass roots level. It will be an utter non-sense to term that it is being fostered by Pakistan, ISI or any separatist group.

All this depicts that the government of India is purely lacking the fundaments of Kashmir issue and in some way or other lack of seriousness in resolving the Kashmir issue can be widely seen now on their part.

At this point it is not only Kashmiri people who are undergoing turmoil but the Indias image as a big democracy in the world is at stake too. The way India is operating in Kashmir right now might make it the clone of Israel in the eyes of the Muslims and other humanely people of the whole world. And who knows this might even lead to the boycott of Indian products and services across the world. Boycotting upcoming Common Wealth Games scheduled at New Delhi is already the talk of the town now. Whether Kashmir gets freedom or not India is for sure going to lose its ground completely from the valley. And now the sincerity of India towards resolving Kashmir issue is at real test, if it is sincere then revoking AFSPA, demilitarisation from the public and market areas will be a first step forward. Let India weigh its democratic image in the real scale.

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rana14801

Senator (1k+ posts)
well there is no doubt about this fact that the day will come when Kashmir will be an indep state,but for the moment India will not vacate Kasmir. there has to be a war if Pakistan want its SHAH RAG to be released out of their hands.our govt has not been feeding the case properly to get the favor of rest of the world. main water sources for Indian Punjab and for Pakistan run through Kashmir. Indian Punjab is feeding almost to whole India through its growth.Indians may ammend their constitution for a sort of loose federation of Kashmir or we have to fight a war may be a neuc war only then Kashmir could be free but cost would be devastating and heavier.
 

gazoomartian

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
my take:

With the development that India has and the death of Soviets, a bed partner of India, India does not need Kashmir anymore. As a matter of fact Kashmir has become a liability for India, in that, they have lost 1000's of soldiers, accomplished bad image of so called fake democracy, and loss peace in the region.

India needed the Kashmir region for trade with Soviets, the only entry portal between her and her socialist master, Soviets. Now that Tajikistan is independent and India is a slave of the US, the US will protect India in case of any unforeseen events.

Indian should seriously consider turning over Kashmir to Pakistan, the sole deserving of the region. Otherwise, and Indian Generals admit it, they Indian army will be dragged for ever and suicide will become even more prevalent. Also, they have to tend to insurgencies in other provinces, such northeast, Assam, Mizoram, Maoland, etc.

And very soon, insurgency will begin in East Punjab and Rajhistan for independent homelands.

Mr. Singh should consider this seriously. Doing the right thing for your nation and already fatigued army is not a cowardly thing to do, comig generation will remember you as a hero who saved 1000's of lives by turning over Kashmir to Pakistan. Choice is your Mr Singh, save lives NOW or be prepared to loose many many more in the coming years.

My honest opinion
 

JIJA_JI

Banned
Naxalites are the only solution for all the issues facing the whole region from Afghanistan to India, extremism, corruption, poverty and illiteracy. Support Maoism for a better south Asia, a greater social India.
 

dil-se-desi

MPA (400+ posts)
my take:

Mr. Singh should consider this seriously. Doing the right thing for your nation and already fatigued army is not a cowardly thing to do, comig generation will remember you as a hero who saved 1000's of lives by turning over Kashmir to Pakistan.

My honest opinion

so you now started begging to MR SINGH for Kashmir......hahaha
 

dil-se-desi

MPA (400+ posts)
well there is no doubt about this fact that the day will come when Kashmir will be an indep state,but for the moment India will not vacate Kasmir. there has to be a war if Pakistan want its SHAH RAG to be released out of their hands.our govt has not been feeding the case properly to get the favor of rest of the world. main water sources for Indian Punjab and for Pakistan run through Kashmir. Indian Punjab is feeding almost to whole India through its growth.Indians may ammend their constitution for a sort of loose federation of Kashmir or we have to fight a war may be a neuc war only then Kashmir could be free but cost would be devastating and heavier.



no body in the world......(yes...nobody in the world) has power to get kashmir out of indian union.pakistan has tried his best in last 63 years
and see where it stand today....collapsing with it own sins.

india has given kashmiris all the privileges and constitutional section 370 where no outsiders can go and settle in kashmir.
kashmiris are independent to govern themselves.

where you people have always taken kashmir (pak side) for guaranteed and exploited them like anything.no development at all compare to
indian side and in name kashmir council,you didn't even gave rights to sit in pakistan national assembly and raise their voice.

you changed the demography of pak kashmir by allowing outsiders to settle their (which indian never allowed in their part) so that they (kashmiri)
become minority one day in kashmir like you people did with sindhis.

(can u answer why non-punjabis were not allowed to settle in punjab after partition.it is not my version but this question was raised in one
of your talk shows.
punjabis with all the rods,sticks were standing on ways of refugee convoys and didn't let non punjabis to settle but leads all their convoy to

karachi and other part of sindh. and see sindhis are in minority in sindh)

you think chiana will side with pak for kashmir (don't worry india has DALAI LAMA.....china scares from his name only)



first fix your own home,give due rights to all states and stake holders then claim on anything else.
 

Imranpak

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
no body in the world......(yes...nobody in the world) has power to get kashmir out of indian union.pakistan has tried his best in last 63 years
and see where it stand today....collapsing with it own sins.

Actually Pakistan is not collapsing but going through a difficult period...you have enough insurgencies in India so need not worry about us.We have minority issues but i've never heard of a genocide on the scale of Gujarat or operation bluestar in 1984!

By the way ALLAH(swt) has the power to do anything so don't get so cocky unless you want your ass whipped!.In the 1930's your ancestors said that Pakistan will never be established but it was against their will!.Nehru also foretold the collapse of the new state within two years but again we proved him wrong and will do so again,inshallah!.
 

gazoomartian

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
no body in the world......(yes...nobody in the world) has power to get kashmir out of indian union.pakistan has tried his best in last 63 years
and see where it stand today....collapsing with it own sins.

Actually Pakistan is not collapsing but going through a difficult period...you have enough insurgencies in India so need not worry about us.We have minority issues but i've never heard of a genocide on the scale of Gujarat or operation bluestar in 1984!

By the way ALLAH(swt) has the power to do anything so don't get so cocky unless you want your ass whipped!.In the 1930's your ancestors said that Pakistan will never be established but it was against their will!.Nehru also foretold the collapse of the new state within two years but again we proved him wrong and will do so again,inshallah!.

Its my sworn duty to start talking about Khalistan and Rajhistan after Patriots does reforms in Pakistan.
 

tips2lips

Citizen
kia yeh sailab ki tabah karian es leye tu nahi ho rahi k kashmir mein jis tarah sey hindu baneya kashmirion ko shaheed kar raha hai or pak gov and awam ney koi awaz nahi uthayi kia pakistani kashmirion k khon sey ghadari ker rahay hein ???
 

kashmiri

MPA (400+ posts)
no body in the world......(yes...nobody in the world) has power to get kashmir out of indian union.pakistan has tried his best in last 63 years
and see where it stand today....collapsing with it own sins.
Please keep yourself updated
Pakistan have defeated 2 superpowers in last few decades if u consider this their sin then we are proud to accept it.
They are still standing over LA ILLA HA ILLALLAH

india has given kashmiris all the privileges and constitutional section 370 where no outsiders can go and settle in kashmir.
kashmiris are independent to govern themselves.
and for your kind information same constitution is applied in Pakistan occupied Kashmir without 7 lack army please consider it

where you people have always taken kashmir (pak side) for guaranteed and exploited them like anything.no development at all compare to
indian side and in name kashmir council,you didn't even gave rights to sit in pakistan national assembly and raise their voice.
we are not looking for so called development like you pplz have by exposing your siszZZ and spoiling your way of life (Hinduism)
by the way what about ASSAM Fredom,TAMIL,SIKHs,Muslims and your own Shudra (i guess they are your brother) look at them how you are treating them

and stop conspiracies that is inherited by forefathers (read Chankia)
(can u answer why non-punjabis were not allowed to settle in punjab after partition.it is not my version but this question was raised in one
of your talk shows.
punjabis with all the rods,sticks were standing on ways of refugee convoys and didn't let non punjabis to settle but leads all their convoy to
Most of my family member are settled in Punjab there isn't any kind of restriction getting land or surviving their may be a punjabi better answer this.
But this clearly reflect mentality of Indian how they get weak points and highlighting them as they are doing in Afghan (16 consulates) what they are doing their publicity of Indian girls and Indian movies :D :D :D
 
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desicad

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Protestors in Kashmir face stones, their own bitter pill

Fed up with repeated strikes by separatists in Kashmir Valley, shopkeepers are up in arms against protestors, who are tasting their own bitter pill as locals are attacking them with stones. Clerics have also started making fervent appeals from mosques to open shops and restore normalcy in violence affected areas.

An incident of clash was recently reported from Peerbagh in Budgham district of Central Kashmir - the scene of violent protests during the last few weeks. As separatists and their goons reached the area to enforce the strike, they were greeted with stones.

Local shopowners showered stones on these rowdy elements who tried to force them to close down their establishments. The police could not do anything to quell the locals and shopkeepers as securitymen were outnumbered.

These shopkeepers and locals reached the police station later and filed an FIR against 10 people of neighbouring Nabir Gund village holding them responsible for spoiling peace and threatening the locals. Far away in Anantnag in South Kashmir, an appeal for opening of shops was made as people were facing lot of hardships on account of frequent strikes during the Holy month of Ramzan.

The separatists'' strike calls have hit the economy and at many a places people have been seen selling off their belongings at distress rates. The business of shopkeepers has suffered a lot as the turmoil not only brought tourism to an abrupt halt but also forced establishments to remain closed for nearly two months now.

In Ompura area in central Kashmir, there have been instances of exchange of hot words between locals and anti-social elements when businessmen were forced to shut down their shops. In Meehama Pulwama in South Kashmir, four men were beaten up by locals three days back when they were trying to enforce a strike in the area.

Senior police officials said people were voicing their concern and police was only intervening to prevent situation from turning worse. These issues are not limited to villages only.

In Natipora area of the city, anti-social elements ransacked a bakery shop. The owner''s only fault was to supply fresh traditional Kashmiri bread in his area.

The incident triggered resentment among the public against the separatist agenda. "It is heartening that people have started coming out to register their protest against the separatists though such protests are scattered," said a senior police official.
http://in.news.yahoo.com/20/20100823/1416/tnl-protestors-in-kashmir-face-stones-th.html