Imran's desperate remarks about Previous APC and his possible new stand on Talks with Taliban issue

[shaikh]

　
Imran khan has apparently called for a New APC (All parties conference) on the issue of insurgency while simultaneously casting doubt on intentions of organizers of the previous APC by saying that it appeared as if the previous one was meant to create atmosphere for a new military offensive.


This statement in essence means that what Imran khan is saying is several fold :

a) There are forces who plot against talks with Taliban.

b) There was no substance in the previous APC and it was to create stage for superficially announcing peace moves and but was infact all
set to get them rejected by "Taliban" to show to public that war cannot end.

c) The murder of a senior army man could have been arranged by the threatrics.

d) Political parties if they serious in ending this "War on Terror" should now speak openly for it in a new APC and indirectly directly challenge "Perpetual war" lobby.

e) He is casting doubt on the integrity of PMLN and Kiani

f) He is distancing himself from utter committment to peace moves with Taliban .

g) He is taking on Kiani's , start-stop-reverse endlessly approach to talks issue .

Imran khan was put in a tight position , JI is talking double on peace issue , JUI ideologically is on same wavelength on Talks issue as Imran but its local objectives and culture is different.

PHC is making decisions about army deployment at behest of God knows whom , army or whoever. Most Pakistanis support peaceful negotiation and my own impression is that only POWER raw and Naked works and Nisar ali Khan's strategy chose (Full) War or chose (Full) peace is correct.

Imran should avoid going to courts on local bodies election issue unless other parties accompany PTI. Leaving a lot to judges is no good , they too like Maulvis are supposed to know all but know little as being not really field workers but page surfers.

 

[Star Gazer]

IK and PTI are a threat to status quo and THAT is always a serious thing to contend with,not only serious but can be catastrophic.
May Allah guide and help those who are seeking HIS approval,Ameen.

 

[gre8nation]

The lesson of history you cannot tame a beast.

 

[Politcs]

I dont know what IK and Munawar Hasan want from government. When government was begging Taliban for talk then they were planning to kill general. Munawar Hasan wants army to anounce cease fire but askinh Taliban to continue attacking becuase Taliban have no reason to stop attacking.

Now Taliban attacked Pesawar church but why they attack? There are no drone attacks and what these poor has to do with anything.

 

[RANA Sana'a]

confused leader confused nation

 

[shaikh]

The "War Lobby" takes things differently. Their interest is that if war finishes there will neither be any personal importance left for them or any money for them left. While the Patriotic Pakistanis and sane elements of the army are fearful that if US leaves Afghanistan, inimical forces will fund hordes of fighters across the border and border war can escalate to nearly a true war, but "war lobby"or "Khao lobby" feels differently, for them contracts and more important. It would be totally believable that in continuation of war all , be they US contractors , Pakistani beneficiaries or be they even Taliban leadership , all seem united. Before the Syrian war even our allies like Saudis were not much interested I having fighters come back from Waziristan to Yemen on their own heads local rivals like India and Iran would be quite content with war to continue on border as this is a sure formula for country not to grow and for its armed forces not have sufficient funds for expansion and rely on foreign funding and accede to their demands. Under forced power loadshedding not much exports can be expected too and finally Pakistan will accede to western hope of placing its nukes under joint NATO command , an apparent endpoint of all this effort. the army leadership is not intellectual type and politicians are fake degree holders , the technocrats have no say under current worth to be abrogated constitution and Mullah parties were always backward and even innocent. The country revolves on village origin clerks , the overseas Pakistani money and so called Aid and allies. Things are not looking good , where is the wisdom to come from. Perhaps the best effort is coming from Imran, Nawaz, Shehbaz,Nisar and may be Dar to stabilize things in perpetual war atmosphere. There is a chance of success as strategy is not bad. There is no place for erection of Multiple power centres at this time be it CJ Iftikhar Chaudry or some agency. Three provinces are looking towards centre to stabilization , a divided centre will be death knell for Pakistan. Situation might improve after CJ and Kiani resign or go or are sent home or retire as less confusion will remain. This election especially the poor forced results in Punjab and weakening of grip of Altaf has left one sect relatively representative less when compared to good time they had in Musharaf and Zardari era , which will be a source of instability too.

 

[shaikh]

The bomb blasts of Peshawar church , whatever else that means , sure will make it difficult for Nawaz to seek to make a case for talks with Taliban in the UN or USA as he leaves , it was probably meant for that purpose . So serious is this "perpetual war lobby"that even those who dared say that Ladin is dead long ago like Benazir was killed.

 

[Bani Adam]

I said so on Sep 16 in this Forum (http://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthre...ed-who-belonged-to-NA71&p=1876222#post1876222) that there's more to this IED attack on the General from NA-71 than what meets the eye (now we hear that his bro is also a president of one of the local PTI chapters in Mianwali) - does any one know who killed General Bilal and the military officers' children in Parade Lane? --- High profile killings of top military officers don't and can't happen randomly, otherwise an army which can't protect its own top brass or families should just pack up and go home.

I agree - there're host of other reasons to argue that there're powerful elements within Pakistan who don't really want a peaceful solution -- less said the better -- but I have ABSOLUTELY ZERO TRUST in Kiani's wisdom and leadership.

 

[gazoomartian]

Its amazing how one son of 2000 fathers, Gen Mush, can put the entire Ummah in such a mess

fa la natullah-i-alal-munafeqeen



note: zardari is son of 1000 fathers

 

[seekers]

 

[adamfani]

I dont know what IK and Munawar Hasan want from government. When government was begging Taliban for talk then they were planning to kill general. Munawar Hasan wants army to anounce cease fire but askinh Taliban to continue attacking becuase Taliban have no reason to stop attacking.

Now Taliban attacked Pesawar church but why they attack? There are no drone attacks and what these poor has to do with anything.

 

[seekers]

 

[shaikh]

I said so on Sep 16 in this Forum (http://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthre...ed-who-belonged-to-NA71&p=1876222#post1876222) that there's more to this IED attack on the General from NA-71 than what meets the eye (now we hear that his bro is also a president of one of the local PTI chapters in Mianwali) - does any one know who killed General Bilal and the military officers' children in Parade Lane? --- High profile killings of top military officers don't and can't happen randomly, otherwise an army which can't protect its own top brass or families should just pack up and go home.

I agree - there're host of other reasons to argue that there're powerful elements within Pakistan who don't really want a peaceful solution -- less said the better -- but I have ABSOLUTELY ZERO TRUST in Kiani's wisdom and leadership.

Insider hands is completely plausible , the GHQ attack was thought by army to be too sophisticated for Taliban , it was put on blackwater but is it so!

 

[MunchyMike]

Terrorism will continue as long as the Americans and Indians are in Afghanistan. Only
way Pakistan to stop terrorism is to kick US/Indians out of Afghanistan. First thing
the government needs to do is stop US supply routes and close the airspace. This
will speed up their withdrawal. This government is too weak and needs to be removed
for this to happen.

 

[Bani Adam]

Insider hands is completely plausible , the GHQ attack was thought by army to be too sophisticated for Taliban , it was put on blackwater but is it so!

Blackwater or Whitewater... I guess that's always an easy scapegoat, cuz when the Blackwater got caught in Chauburji our geniuses struck a deal for their own sake - ACM Mushaf Mir's death, GHQ attack, Parade Lane attack, GOC Swat death - I'm coming to this view that it's not just the middle-tier of the Invisibles that has been infilterated but the "top" is also seriously compromised; at least there's one common factor very visible since 2004...

A thorough cleansing of the stables is in order....

 

[aneeskhan]

Terrorism will continue as long as the Americans and Indians are in Afghanistan. Only
way Pakistan to stop terrorism is to kick US/Indians out of Afghanistan. First thing
the government needs to do is stop US supply routes and close the airspace. This
will speed up their withdrawal. This government is too weak and needs to be removed
for this to happen.

Very easy to put our own incompetency on others, CIA and RAW will never work for Pakistan,Where is your Highly Paid powerful COAS,ISI chief ,IB Chief, FIA Chief, CJP ,PM And CP KPK? You can also blame Musharraf like Zardari and Nawaz says we are failing due to Musharraf,he took away all keys otherwise we are the best democrats?

 

[aneeskhan]

Highly incompetents are Ruling Pakistan after 2007,Nara Wahi Hai,"Riasat Maan Jaisy Ho Gii aur Usski Shakal Somalia Jaisy Ho Gii Kuch Kuch ARsalan Se Milty Ho Gii".JUst Think Pakistan was very peaceful from 1999-2007 what was the reason ?Analyse honestly-One answer obvious Competent Leadership inspite ongoing war 98% Pakistanis were safe, those not involved in War themselves. Business was going smooth in Pakistan.

 

[Jazaheer]

Hey Seeker! Why don't you ask the govt. of Pakistan about that? 10 years since military operation still this blood bath is going on! Ask them where these terrorists come from? Did people of FATA caught a virus and they have started to behave like zombies in 10 years? Where terrorists in Karachi come from? They hail from political parties like PPP, MQM, ST, ANP everybody knows that but why no action on it? Ask your prime minister! Why is he shut up? Didn't army put us up in this situation?

 

[aneeskhan]

What is the Difference between Nawaz Sharif and Zardari same Apologitic Attitude,What is Difference between Rahman Mallick and Chaudry Nisar possibly Nisar worse than Rahman.What is the Difference between Imran Khan And Wali Khan ?What is difference between HOTI and Khattak both are worst administrators.Overall incompetents grab Pakistanafter 2007 including COAS,CJP.Pakistan on way of Satyanas.

 

[saifsaif]

Imran khan and Munawwar Hasan are the real problema of Pakistan, because of these two men Pakistanies are very very divided against Talibans, these two men never learn nothing and never change their stance, they two are just good for nothing, even they never condemn talibans.