Imran Khan misattributes a quote to Kahlil Gibran, but did media also get it wrong?

عمر

Minister (2k+ posts)
On June 19, Pakistani Prime Minister Imran Khan ascribed a quote to Lebanese-American writer and poet, Kahlil Gibran – “I slept and dreamed that life was joy. I woke and I saw that life is all service. I served and I saw that service was joy.”
Khan’s tweet drew over 19,000 likes and more than 4,700 retweets at the time of writing.

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Subsequently, mainstream media outlets carried reports claiming that Khan made a faux-pas as the quote was not Gibran’s but Indian poet Rabindranath Tagore’s. India Today, DNA, ABP News, Mid-day, Economic Times, News18, NDTV, ANI, Zee News, Times Now, Hindustan Timesand Republic were some of the news organisations that called-out Khan.
Several Pakistani media outlets – Pakistan Today, Express Tribune, The News also carried similar reports.

Tagore, Gibran…or neither?

Alt News discovered that several websites had attributed the quote to both Gibran (1883 – 1931) and Tagore (1861 – 1941). However, none of these were either credible literary sources nor did they provide details such as the date of publication or where the lines first appeared.

Ellen Sturgis Hooper (1812 – 1848)

Another name that often comes up during a Google search of the quote is Ellen Sturgis Hooper, a 19th century American Transcendentalist. But the difference between the attributions to her and the ones made to Tagore and Gibran are specific details like the year of publication and the source of the verse.
The lines were a part of a poem by Hooper which was published in the 19th-20th-century American Transcendentalist magazine The Dial, according to several literary sources,
Hooper was born in 1812 and died in 1848, before the birth of both Tagore (1861) and Gibran (1883).
Here’s how her poem goes:
“I slept, and dreamed that life was Beauty;
I woke, and found that life was Duty.
Was thy dream then a shadowy lie?
Toil on, sad heart, courageously,
And thou shalt find thy dream to be
A noonday light and truth to thee.”
In an 1885 journal article, a historical and biographical introduction to The Dial, author George Willis Cooke wrote that Hooper’s poem was published in the first volume (1840) of The Dial. It was later translated into Italian and attributed to the German philosopher Immanuel Kant.

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The poem was published in The Dial sans Hooper’s name. This could be why it was misattributed to Kant.

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Per multiple sources, Hooper had contributed 11 anonymous poems to The Dial.

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The journey of an anonymous poem

A poem that was written by American poet Ellen Sturgis Hooper, published anonymously in a magazine in 1840, was misattributed to German philosopher Immanuel Kant. Through the years, different versions of the same poem were ascribed to Lebanese-American writer Kahlil Gibran and Indian poet Rabindranath Tagore. Incidentally, similar verses have also been pushed in the name of Mother Teresa.

Same quote, multiple variations attributed to Tagore

Several versions of the quote tweeted by Imran Khan have been ascribed to Tagore. As the lines moved through time, their form kept changing while the essence remained intact.
A psychology book ‘Being Alive: Human Structure and Functions‘, published in 1942, carries a version of the quote with just the first two lines. This was the earliest reference published in Tagore’s name that we were able to locate on Google books.

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In a 1986 publication for UCSF volunteers, we found that the words were altered even further. The quote was attributed to the Bengali poet, but instead of “life was joy”, it said, “life was happiness”. Instead of “I served and I saw that service was joy”, it said, “I served and I found that in service happiness is found.”
There are several such examples where the form of the poem was altered. The quote does not have proper attributions to Tagore, and even Wikipedia lists it under ‘disputed’. While Imran Khan got the attribution wrong, both Indian and Pakistani media rushed to call him out without any literary backing.
 

عمر

Minister (2k+ posts)
Get a life man. You jiyala patwaris still losing your minds over this !?!

Just reporting a fact. To learn, how real research is conducted. Hundreds of thousands of people across the world started mocking a person without verifying that they too were incorrect in attributing it to Tagore.
 

Citizen X

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
Just reporting a fact. To learn, how real research is conducted. Hundreds of thousands of people across the world started mocking a person without verifying that they too were incorrect in attributing it to Tagore.
A bit too late to the party this has already been done here to death.
 

Cyber_Security

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
You have made a very good point that whatever Imran Khan says eventually is proven correct. This parwari make fun of Imran Khan without doing any research.
They will see that eventually it will be proven that
It was Imran Khan photo not Tendulkar photo.
They will see that China is making a train faster than speed of light.
They will see that in the world war2 Japan fought against Germany.
Time will prove IK right and will make Patwaries embarrassed.
 

عمر

Minister (2k+ posts)
You have made a very good point that whatever Imran Khan says eventually is proven correct. This parwari make fun of Imran Khan without doing any research.
They will see that eventually it will be proven that
It was Imran Khan photo not Tendulkar photo.
They will see that China is making a train faster than speed of light.
They will see that in the world war2 Japan fought against Germany.
Time will prove IK right and will make Patwaries embarrassed.

If you actually read the article, it proves that IK was WRONG. However, the people criticizing him were wrong as well.
So the actual point is that instead of jumping to conclusions quickly & mocking others, one should research & look at their own fallacies as well. Plus, it shows that people are generally interested in proving others wrong & making fun of them, instead of finding the truth & actually following the message.
Lastly, the mistake we attribute to others, it is equally probable that we are capable of making the same mistake. We are all humans after all.
 

Cyber_Security

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
If you actually read the article, it proves that IK was WRONG. However, the people criticizing him were wrong as well.
So the actual point is that instead of jumping to conclusions quickly & mocking others, one should research & look at their own fallacies as well. Plus, it shows that people are generally interested in proving others wrong & making fun of them, instead of finding the truth & actually following the message.
People usually don't do deep research as you have done to find the truth.
When you search the above you will see Tagore picture with it everywhere in Google.
Even Indian TV programs associated the quote with Tagore.
Pakistani society frequently quote Khalil Gibran quotes thinking as if he was a Muslim philosopher. They are not aware that he was not a Muslim.
 
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Liberal 000

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Just reporting a fact. To learn, how real research is conducted. Hundreds of thousands of people across the world started mocking a person without verifying that they too were incorrect in attributing it to Tagore.

Media was not wrong --- it is actually attributed to Tagore --- the thread post itself gave references of number of Books attributing it to Tagore ---- as the Thread starter says that there is a dispute! A disputed thing can be attributed to the parties concerned


Real question is---- does any reliable book says that it is attributed to Khalil Jibran ?
 

عمر

Minister (2k+ posts)
Media was not wrong --- it is actually attributed to Tagore --- the thread post itself gave references of number of Books attributing it to Tagore ---- as the Thread starter says that there is a dispute! A disputed thing can be attributed to the parties concerned


Real question is---- does any reliable book says that it is attributed to Khalil Jibran ?

Please read the article carefully. It clearly states that although it is attributed (without credible sources) to Tagore but wrongly. And there is not even one single Tagore version.
If a disputed thing can be attributed to parties concerned, then why is it wrong to attribute it to Jibran (as it has been attributed to him as well, of course without credible sources) ?
 

Liberal 000

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Please read the article carefully. It clearly states that although it is attributed (without credible sources) to Tagore but wrongly. And there is not even one single Tagore version.
If a disputed thing can be attributed to parties concerned, then why is it wrong to attribute it to Jibran (as it has been attributed to him as well, of course without credible sources) ?

You have given the references of reliable books attributing it to Tagore . Can you do the same in the case of Khalil Jabran any book attributing it to Khalil Jabran?

Do not forget the version quoted by Imran is attributed to Tagore
 

kingQ

Minister (2k+ posts)
اس الو کے پٹھے نیازی نے یہ چتیاپا کوئی پہلی بار کیا ہے جو آپ کو اتنی صفائیاں دینے کی ضرورت پیش آگئی؟
 

kingQ

Minister (2k+ posts)
Media was not wrong --- it is actually attributed to Tagore --- the thread post itself gave references of number of Books attributing it to Tagore ---- as the Thread starter says that there is a dispute! A disputed thing can be attributed to the parties concerned


Real question is---- does any reliable book says that it is attributed to Khalil Jibran ?
لبرل بھائی، یہ چوڑا نیازی جب سے وزیراعظم بنا ہے، پوری دنیا میں اپنا مذاق بنوا رہا ہے۔ پہلے جب یہ اپوزیشن میں تھا تو اتنی بے عزتی نہیں ہوتی تھی۔ اب چوں کہ وزیراعظم بن گیا ہے تو دنیا بھر کی توجہ اس پر ہوتی ہے کیوں کہ پاکستان کے وزیراعظم ہاؤس میں بیٹھا ہوا ہے۔
اکثر یا تو یہ نشے میں ہوتا ہے، اور جب نشے میں نہیں ہوتا تو اس کے خلل زدہ دماغ سے باتیں بھی الٹی سیدھی نکلتی ہیں، مثلاً اسپیڈ کی لائیٹ۔ تو اس چوتیے کا دماغ ٹھکانے ہوتا نہیں ہے، اور اسی لیے سوچے سمجھے بغیر ٹوئیٹ کر دیا۔
سالے کو کیڑا بھی تو بہت بڑا ہے۔ ٹوئیٹ نہیں کرتا تو اس کو واش روم نہیں آتا۔
 

Liberal 000

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
لبرل بھائی، یہ چوڑا نیازی جب سے وزیراعظم بنا ہے، پوری دنیا میں اپنا مذاق بنوا رہا ہے۔ پہلے جب یہ اپوزیشن میں تھا تو اتنی بے عزتی نہیں ہوتی تھی۔ اب چوں کہ وزیراعظم بن گیا ہے تو دنیا بھر کی توجہ اس پر ہوتی ہے کیوں کہ پاکستان کے وزیراعظم ہاؤس میں بیٹھا ہوا ہے۔
اکثر یا تو یہ نشے میں ہوتا ہے، اور جب نشے میں نہیں ہوتا تو اس کے خلل زدہ دماغ سے باتیں بھی الٹی سیدھی نکلتی ہیں، مثلاً اسپیڈ کی لائیٹ۔ تو اس چوتیے کا دماغ ٹھکانے ہوتا نہیں ہے، اور اسی لیے سوچے سمجھے بغیر ٹوئیٹ کر دیا۔
سالے کو کیڑا بھی تو بہت بڑا ہے۔ ٹوئیٹ نہیں کرتا تو اس کو واش روم نہیں آتا۔

He is our PM --- as long as He is PM , it is our duty to respect him but at the same time we can disagree with him as well as criticize him with civility
 

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