Hindus, Sikhs may face worse times in future In Pakistan

IndiaGuy

Senator (1k+ posts)
Islamabad The previous year was a bad one for Pakistan's minority communities including Muslims of various sects, Sikhs and Hindus due to threat to their lives by militants, according to a new report which suggested even worse times ahead.
The Human Rights Commission of Pakistan's report said 418 Muslims of various sects were killed in terror attacks and about 25 per cent of Sikh families in the Orakzai tribal area were forced to leave their homes due to threats from Taliban.

It said 500 Hindu families from Balochistan province migrated to India due to threats to their lives and security.

The "State of Human Rights in 2010" report, which detailed attacks on the minorities, said: "All indications suggest that there are even worse times ahead."

The report said 418 people were killed in violence against different minority Muslim sects while suicide attacks on Muslims injured 628 people, including Shias.

Sikhs living in Pakistan's northwestern areas for centuries had to face trying times after the Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan asked them to pay 'jiziya' (a religious tax) or leave the area.

Around 25 of the 102 Sikh families living in Orakzai Agency were forced to flee their homes.

They were able to return after the military carried out an operation against the militants.

A total of 500 Hindu families from Balochistan in southwest Pakistan migrated to India because of threats to their lives and security, the report said.

According to Balochistan's director of the Federal Human Rights Ministry, at least 27 Hindu families from the province had sought asylum in India because of threats, It added.

The minority Ahmedi sect, which was declared non-Muslim through a constitutional amendment in 1974, lost 99 members to faith-based violence, the report said.

The report further said 64 people were charged under the controversial blasphemy law in 2010 and many of them were imprisoned.

A Muslim and two Christian men accused of blasphemy were killed in police custody, it said.

Highlighting the abuses of the rights of minority communities, the report said there had been few positive developments with regard to freedom of thought, conscience and religion.

"Extremist views grew more vociferous as voices for basic human rights and tolerance became more isolated in face of violence and intimidation," the report noted.

It said police were not doing enough to protect minorities from attacks and had even been accused of harassing or being complicit in framing false charges against them.

Presenting the report, HRCP chairman Mehdi Hassan claimed most human rights abuses were being conducted by government functionaries, including police.

"Under such conditions, who will ensure that the laws are being implemented?" he asked.

The report said prejudices of law enforcement personnel were believed to be a hurdle in effective protection of religious minorities in serious danger from the Taliban and sectarian militant groups.

HRCP secretary general I A Rehman said in most religion-based killings, the federal and provincial governments failed to even express sympathy with victims.

The report also highlighted the growing spread of hate literature and said even mainstream Urdu newspapers featured 1,468 news articles and editorials that promoted hate, intolerance and discrimination against Ahmedis.

Rehman contended that political parties had failed to contribute towards improving human rights conditions.

"They cannot even speak clearly on the issue because they are not true political parties, these are just brokers and rubber-stamps," he alleged.

The report further highlighted the government's weak response to misuse of the controversial blasphemy law and its flipflop on calls to reform the law to prevent its misuse.

Observers have said that the PPP-led government had apparently shelved plans to review the law following the assassination this year of Punjab Governor Salmaan Taseer and Minority Affairs Minister Shahbaz Bhatti, who were gunned down for challenging the law.

The report also detailed the law and order situation, saying about 12,580 people were murdered and 581 kidnapped for ransom in 2010.

A total of 16,977 cases of kidnapping were reported.

The HRCP held US drones strikes responsible for 957 extra-legal killings and said another 338 people were killed in police "encounters" or fake shootouts.

A total of 1,159 people, included 1,041 civilians, were killed in 67 suicide attacks, the report said. Overall, a total of 2,542 people were killed and 5,062 injured in terrorist attacks.

Target killings in Karachi claimed the lives of 237 political activists and 301 civilians, the report said.

Another 118 people were killed and 40 injured in 117 incidents of target killing in Balochistan. The figures included 29 non-Baloch settlers and 17 members of the Shia

Hazara community.

The bodies of 59 "missing persons"- people detained without charge by security and intelligence agencies - were found in Balochistan.

The report said there were 163 attacks on educational institutions while militants killed 22 teachers in Balochistan between January 2008 and October 2010.

A total of 791 women were killed in the name of honour while 2,903 were sexually assaulted, with the maximum number of cases reported from Punjab province.

Source:
http://www.expressindia.com/latest-news/Hindus-Sikhs-may-face-worse-times-in-future-report/776632/
 

hans

Banned
Need more proof of how badly Hindus are treated in Taliban loving Pakistan... ?
Its a shameful slap on my Muslim Pakistani ..... Read below

How we collectively as Pakistani stand and answer this allegation....

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Sindh Hindu MPA flees to India

A Hindu member of Sindh Assembly has resigned from his seat after receiving life threats, reported a private TV channel on Saturday.
Ram Singh Sodho was elected a member of the Sindh assembly on a reserved seat for minorities on PML-F ticket in the 2008 general elections.
Sodho received some security threats and shifted base to India, from where he sent his resignation to Sindh Assembly Speaker Nisar Ahmad Khoro, the report said.

The resignation has been accepted with immediate effect. The PML-F is an ally of the ruling Pakistan People’s Party (PPP) in Sindh. The law and order situation in Karachi has been deteriorating for quite some time now. Incidents of kidnapping for ransom have seen an alarming rise during the last few months, forcing many families to abandon their homes and shift to India or other countries.
 
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Baba jee

Councller (250+ posts)
When Muslims are not safe in Pakistan, who can give guarantee of non-Muslim's safety! (serious)

 

shamsheer

Senator (1k+ posts)
Pakistan has made a lot of advancement in the last few years, specially during Musharaf era in terms of communication and media coverage. Now in most of Pakistan every human rights violation gets noticed and this will keep this carnage on leash in future. However, thousands more cases like these go unnoticed in India due to state control of media, bias of media towards majority and lack of infracstructure in many many parts of India, specially in the states, Tamil Nadu, Madhiya Pardesh, Bihar, Rajhistan, and more. Also international media has a bias towards muslims countries and even ones nose hair is picked it makes front page news. However, similar worse things happen in non muslims countries specially in India and they go unnotice.

Finally, the report was made by an Indian newspaper. I can bring more horrendous accounts from other news paper from around the world not just Pakistan, about brutality of Indians as a tit for tat. Next time if you have some news to share, share unbiased media, and specially not the Joker india media.

Having said that, I do not condone any of this. Even if the whole world is brutal, human life should be precious in muslim world as dictated by Islam. Even if a single such incident happens in our country in the whole year, it should be noticed and justice should be provided. Life should be honored and so the human rights. Unfrotunately, this is not the case today.
 
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United4Pak

Minister (2k+ posts)
IndianGuy, hans,

Isn't it enough proof of Pakistani big hearts that you guys are allowed to say whatever you like to say and see that Pakistan Human Rights commission freely report these things in a so called 'Talibani' Pakistan? I have been on many Indian forums and the moment anyone tried to say anything against India were banned. You should take a lesson from us guys.

As far as the above stats are concerned I will only say that stats are like a bikini which hides the important parts and if we take a look at the above report it is evident that unfortunate cases have increased not only for minorities but for muslims too which is not a good sign but we are resilient nation and we will control it.
 

United4Pak

Minister (2k+ posts)
And by the way, you might as well read about the plight of minorities in India first. You can ignore Muslims as they might be treated worst than the Dalits but could do something about these Christians

India: tens of thousands of Christians to protest persecution
April 14, 2011




Tens of thousands of Christians will take to the streets of Mumbai, Delhi, Calcutta, and Bangalore on Good Friday in silent protest of the persecution of Christians in India.
“Anti-Christian attacks by Hindu extremist groups are on the rise: in 2011 there is one attack a day on average,” said lay activist Joseph Dias, head of the Catholic Secular Forum. “Sometimes the attacks are concentrated in some areas, such as Orissa or Karnataka, but we can't say that any state in India is immune.”
“Often the excuse is a false accusation of proselytism and forced conversions,” he added. “The real issue is that Hindu extremists do not tolerate the social commitment of Christians in schools and hospitals, and above all their valuable work in promoting the human, economic and social situation of Dalits and tribals, who are downtrodden and discriminated against in society on the basis of caste, and as a result they often ask to embrace the Christian faith.”

http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=9988
 

shamsheer

Senator (1k+ posts)
Moral of the story is: Na Hinduon ke na Musalmano ke, Ye dunia hai Dilwalon ke.

and remember kay yeh jhagra bhi hindu musalman ka nahin hai, na christian aur musalman ka. The reality is an attempt of one system to control the whole world and it can only be done if we keep fighting with each other. This religious furvor and hatred is orchestracted. Think for a second if India and Pakistan become friends of each other, then who will be the biggest looser, ofcourse not the people of both countries. If muslims were the worst enemies of hindus, then they had 1000 enough years to wipe or convert each of them.
 

Maryam.

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
When Muslims are not safe in Pakistan, who can give guarantee of non-Muslim's safety! (serious)


Exactly! Not even Muslims are safe in Pakistan right now, how can someone bring up an argument about minorities? They are being treated the same way that Muslims are being treated. The only people who are safe from all this discrimination and other negative factors are the upper class, those people who have $$$. Other than that, pretty much everyone is suffering regardless of what religion they follow.
 
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karachiwala

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Pakistan has made a lot of advancement in the last few years, specially during Musharaf era in terms of communication and media coverage. Now in most of Pakistan every human rights violation gets noticed and this will keep this carnage on leash in future. However, thousands more cases like these go unnoticed in India due to state control of media, bias of media towards majority and lack of infracstructure in many many parts of India, specially in the states, Tamil Nadu, Madhiya Pardesh, Bihar, Rajhistan, and more. Also international media has a bias towards muslims countries and even ones nose hair is picked it makes front line news. However, similar worse things happen in non muslims countries specially in India and they go unnotice.

Finally, the report was made by an Indian newspaper. I can bring more horrendous accounts from other news paper from around the world not just Pakistan, about brutality of Indians as a tit for tat. Next time if you have some news to share, share unbiased media, and specially not the Joker india media.

Having said that, I do not condone any of this. Even if the whole world is brutal, human life should be precious in muslim world as dictated by Islam. Even if a single such incident happens in our country in the whole year, it should be noticed and justice should be provided. Life should be honored and so the human rights. Unfrotunately, this is not the case today.

Well said. I also second you. We do not condone any of this but look at the situation in Pakistan. Many many more Muslim die every year in violence then minorities. If you take the ratio it is still much better than many countries where minorities are facing harassment.

I would like to request the idiot named hans to go find a home for himself as he is a lost soul (by that I mean he is a badrooh/shaitan) who seems to think this is his home. I would like to request all Pakistan loving members of this forum to help throw out the munafiq who is quoting Quranic verses to show that he is muslim.
 
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AhmedTauseef

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
hindus n sikh goina live they way they r living with peace and protection..... state might not av done much for them cuz state is doing no thing fa its people.
 

PkRevolution

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Indiaguy and Hans:

We know very well who is behind Balochistan anarchy and funding terrorist against Pakistan.

Hans : we don't need such weak person in Pakistan in our Parliment who flies to India and then sends his resign. Keep him in India. He has indian qualities.

Better care Muslims matter in India. Give them their rights. Stop tortouring and killing them.
 

Star Gazer

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
To all the indian members:

People who live in glass houses should not throw stones at others! kabhi sunaa hai!
Why do you want me to repeat:
1--450 million untouchables who are hindus, are living under inhumane conditions, worse than the dogs of the rich people in india.
2--2000 Muslims murdered in Gujarat.
3--60 Pakistanis burned alive in Samjhota express by a uniformed colonel of the indian army.
4--Australian priest and his two sons burnt alive in india.
5--Highest rate of female fetocide in the world.

These are the stats that are just from the top of my head, imagine what will we discover if we start to research!
 

Unicorn

Banned
To all the indian members:

People who live in glass houses should not throw stones at others! kabhi sunaa hai!
Why do you want me to repeat:
1--450 million untouchables who are hindus, are living under inhumane conditions, worse than the dogs of the rich people in india.
2--2000 Muslims murdered in Gujarat.
3--60 Pakistanis burned alive in Samjhota express by a uniformed colonel of the indian army.
4--Australian priest and his two sons burnt alive in india.
5--Highest rate of female fetocide in the world.

These are the stats that are just from the top of my head, imagine what will we discover if we start to research!

Thats not bad at all.
 

Muhammad Tauseef A. Bajwa

Senator (1k+ posts)
Islamabad The previous year was a bad one for Pakistan's minority communities including Muslims of various sects, Sikhs and Hindus due to threat to their lives by militants, according to a new report which suggested even worse times ahead.
The Human Rights Commission of Pakistan's report said 418 Muslims of various sects were killed in terror attacks and about 25 per cent of Sikh families in the Orakzai tribal area were forced to leave their homes due to threats from Taliban.

It said 500 Hindu families from Balochistan province migrated to India due to threats to their lives and security.

The "State of Human Rights in 2010" report, which detailed attacks on the minorities, said: "All indications suggest that there are even worse times ahead."

The report said 418 people were killed in violence against different minority Muslim sects while suicide attacks on Muslims injured 628 people, including Shias.

Sikhs living in Pakistan's northwestern areas for centuries had to face trying times after the Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan asked them to pay 'jiziya' (a religious tax) or leave the area.

Around 25 of the 102 Sikh families living in Orakzai Agency were forced to flee their homes.

They were able to return after the military carried out an operation against the militants.

A total of 500 Hindu families from Balochistan in southwest Pakistan migrated to India because of threats to their lives and security, the report said.

According to Balochistan's director of the Federal Human Rights Ministry, at least 27 Hindu families from the province had sought asylum in India because of threats, It added.

The minority Ahmedi sect, which was declared non-Muslim through a constitutional amendment in 1974, lost 99 members to faith-based violence, the report said.

The report further said 64 people were charged under the controversial blasphemy law in 2010 and many of them were imprisoned.

A Muslim and two Christian men accused of blasphemy were killed in police custody, it said.

Highlighting the abuses of the rights of minority communities, the report said there had been few positive developments with regard to freedom of thought, conscience and religion.

"Extremist views grew more vociferous as voices for basic human rights and tolerance became more isolated in face of violence and intimidation," the report noted.

It said police were not doing enough to protect minorities from attacks and had even been accused of harassing or being complicit in framing false charges against them.

Presenting the report, HRCP chairman Mehdi Hassan claimed most human rights abuses were being conducted by government functionaries, including police.

"Under such conditions, who will ensure that the laws are being implemented?" he asked.

The report said prejudices of law enforcement personnel were believed to be a hurdle in effective protection of religious minorities in serious danger from the Taliban and sectarian militant groups.

HRCP secretary general I A Rehman said in most religion-based killings, the federal and provincial governments failed to even express sympathy with victims.

The report also highlighted the growing spread of hate literature and said even mainstream Urdu newspapers featured 1,468 news articles and editorials that promoted hate, intolerance and discrimination against Ahmedis.

Rehman contended that political parties had failed to contribute towards improving human rights conditions.

"They cannot even speak clearly on the issue because they are not true political parties, these are just brokers and rubber-stamps," he alleged.

The report further highlighted the government's weak response to misuse of the controversial blasphemy law and its flipflop on calls to reform the law to prevent its misuse.

Observers have said that the PPP-led government had apparently shelved plans to review the law following the assassination this year of Punjab Governor Salmaan Taseer and Minority Affairs Minister Shahbaz Bhatti, who were gunned down for challenging the law.

The report also detailed the law and order situation, saying about 12,580 people were murdered and 581 kidnapped for ransom in 2010.

A total of 16,977 cases of kidnapping were reported.

The HRCP held US drones strikes responsible for 957 extra-legal killings and said another 338 people were killed in police "encounters" or fake shootouts.

A total of 1,159 people, included 1,041 civilians, were killed in 67 suicide attacks, the report said. Overall, a total of 2,542 people were killed and 5,062 injured in terrorist attacks.

Target killings in Karachi claimed the lives of 237 political activists and 301 civilians, the report said.

Another 118 people were killed and 40 injured in 117 incidents of target killing in Balochistan. The figures included 29 non-Baloch settlers and 17 members of the Shia

Hazara community.

The bodies of 59 "missing persons"- people detained without charge by security and intelligence agencies - were found in Balochistan.

The report said there were 163 attacks on educational institutions while militants killed 22 teachers in Balochistan between January 2008 and October 2010.

A total of 791 women were killed in the name of honour while 2,903 were sexually assaulted, with the maximum number of cases reported from Punjab province.

Source:
http://www.expressindia.com/latest-news/Hindus-Sikhs-may-face-worse-times-in-future-report/776632/
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Totally absurd! Pakistan ia a prod Nation and at times, gets emotional but 'we' are not religios fanatic like Hindus living in India! Why we should treat minorities living in Pakistan the way secular Indea treats minorities in their country. This is the significant proof of Two (2) Nations theory (Which India fails to despell). Give a single example when Muslims tormented their fellow country men though RAW tried the best to brew the difference by attacking few churches (No Hindu Mandar was burnt even after demolishing Babary Masgid in Gujrat-India).
 

Muhammad Tauseef A. Bajwa

Senator (1k+ posts)
Islamabad The previous year was a bad one for Pakistan's minority communities including Muslims of various sects, Sikhs and Hindus due to threat to their lives by militants, according to a new report which suggested even worse times ahead.
The Human Rights Commission of Pakistan's report said 418 Muslims of various sects were killed in terror attacks and about 25 per cent of Sikh families in the Orakzai tribal area were forced to leave their homes due to threats from Taliban.

It said 500 Hindu families from Balochistan province migrated to India due to threats to their lives and security.

The "State of Human Rights in 2010" report, which detailed attacks on the minorities, said: "All indications suggest that there are even worse times ahead."

The report said 418 people were killed in violence against different minority Muslim sects while suicide attacks on Muslims injured 628 people, including Shias.

Sikhs living in Pakistan's northwestern areas for centuries had to face trying times after the Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan asked them to pay 'jiziya' (a religious tax) or leave the area.

Around 25 of the 102 Sikh families living in Orakzai Agency were forced to flee their homes.

They were able to return after the military carried out an operation against the militants.

A total of 500 Hindu families from Balochistan in southwest Pakistan migrated to India because of threats to their lives and security, the report said.

According to Balochistan's director of the Federal Human Rights Ministry, at least 27 Hindu families from the province had sought asylum in India because of threats, It added.

The minority Ahmedi sect, which was declared non-Muslim through a constitutional amendment in 1974, lost 99 members to faith-based violence, the report said.

The report further said 64 people were charged under the controversial blasphemy law in 2010 and many of them were imprisoned.

A Muslim and two Christian men accused of blasphemy were killed in police custody, it said.

Highlighting the abuses of the rights of minority communities, the report said there had been few positive developments with regard to freedom of thought, conscience and religion.

"Extremist views grew more vociferous as voices for basic human rights and tolerance became more isolated in face of violence and intimidation," the report noted.

It said police were not doing enough to protect minorities from attacks and had even been accused of harassing or being complicit in framing false charges against them.

Presenting the report, HRCP chairman Mehdi Hassan claimed most human rights abuses were being conducted by government functionaries, including police.

"Under such conditions, who will ensure that the laws are being implemented?" he asked.

The report said prejudices of law enforcement personnel were believed to be a hurdle in effective protection of religious minorities in serious danger from the Taliban and sectarian militant groups.

HRCP secretary general I A Rehman said in most religion-based killings, the federal and provincial governments failed to even express sympathy with victims.

The report also highlighted the growing spread of hate literature and said even mainstream Urdu newspapers featured 1,468 news articles and editorials that promoted hate, intolerance and discrimination against Ahmedis.

Rehman contended that political parties had failed to contribute towards improving human rights conditions.

"They cannot even speak clearly on the issue because they are not true political parties, these are just brokers and rubber-stamps," he alleged.

The report further highlighted the government's weak response to misuse of the controversial blasphemy law and its flipflop on calls to reform the law to prevent its misuse.

Observers have said that the PPP-led government had apparently shelved plans to review the law following the assassination this year of Punjab Governor Salmaan Taseer and Minority Affairs Minister Shahbaz Bhatti, who were gunned down for challenging the law.

The report also detailed the law and order situation, saying about 12,580 people were murdered and 581 kidnapped for ransom in 2010.

A total of 16,977 cases of kidnapping were reported.

The HRCP held US drones strikes responsible for 957 extra-legal killings and said another 338 people were killed in police "encounters" or fake shootouts.

A total of 1,159 people, included 1,041 civilians, were killed in 67 suicide attacks, the report said. Overall, a total of 2,542 people were killed and 5,062 injured in terrorist attacks.

Target killings in Karachi claimed the lives of 237 political activists and 301 civilians, the report said.

Another 118 people were killed and 40 injured in 117 incidents of target killing in Balochistan. The figures included 29 non-Baloch settlers and 17 members of the Shia

Hazara community.

The bodies of 59 "missing persons"- people detained without charge by security and intelligence agencies - were found in Balochistan.

The report said there were 163 attacks on educational institutions while militants killed 22 teachers in Balochistan between January 2008 and October 2010.

A total of 791 women were killed in the name of honour while 2,903 were sexually assaulted, with the maximum number of cases reported from Punjab province.

Source:
http://www.expressindia.com/latest-news/Hindus-Sikhs-may-face-worse-times-in-future-report/776632/

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Totally absurd! Pakistan is a proud Nation and at times gets emotional but 'we' are not religious fanatic like Hindus living in India! Why we should treat minorities living in Pakistan the way secular Inda treats minorities in their country. This is the significant proof of Two (2) Nations theory (Which India fails to dispel). Give a single example when Muslims tormented their fellow country men though RAW tried the best to brew the difference by attacking few churches (No Hindu Mandar was burnt even after demolishing Barbary Masgid in Gujarat-India).
 

atensari

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
Muslims tolerated enough during last 60+ years, it’s time to reap what you sowed.
 

gazoomartian

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
and remember kay yeh jhagra bhi hindu musalman ka nahin hai, na christian aur musalman ka. The reality is an attempt of one system to control the whole world and it can only be done if we keep fighting with each other. This religious furvor and hatred is orchestracted. Think for a second if India and Pakistan become friends of each other, then who will be the biggest looser, ofcourse not the people of both countries. If muslims were the worst enemies of hindus, then they had 1000 enough years to wipe or convert each of them.

Well said and the biggest looser in case of Pakindia friendship would be the US and the US would never want us two to come up with any kinda treaty.