Heated debate between Fawad Ch and Orya Maqbool Jan over proposal to close Facebook

[Adeelsaleem]

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[insaf-seeker]

Fawad Chaudhry should have avoided confrontation with Orya Maqbool Jan. The matter is sensitive and people will not listen to any rational although we all know PMLN wants to ban Facebook for panama case.

 

[atensari]

ڈبل سواری پر بین لگانا، فیس بک بند کرنا عارضی علاج ہو سکتا ہے مسئلے کا مستقل حل نہیں ہے. جو لوگ جان بوجھ کر ایسی حرکتیں کرتیں ہیں ان کا سراغ لگا کر ان کے گھروں میں گھس کر سمجھایا جائے
وہ ہزار کون تھے؟​

 

[ts_rana]

Pro Talban , 100% right word used by Fawad ch for Orya ..

 

[I Love Muhammad (PBUH)]

This is the best weapon . These idiots use emotional black mailing to exploit the love for prophet Muhammad pbuh.

This world will not change as per the desires of Muslims , Opponents will attack islam , they will use filthy language against Islam , so what is the solution ?
Shall we just close our doors and shut our eyes or we preach them with the examples of Prophet's noble life .

We have seen there are thousands of people who defend PMLN and Pti on social media , so why cant we defend Islam against such baseless accusations . what is new which was not done before ? Was the same language not used during the time of Prophet Muhammad pbuh, so what the Prophet did ? He changed the hearts of people with his teachings and his life . He did not cut the throats of those who abused him in Ta'if valley .

Lastly , why its always the muslims living in pakistan whose sentiments get hurts so quickly , what about other 1 billion muslims , what they have to do ?
Millions of muslims live in west , what about their sentiments ?

pakistan should remove such material from social media and should bring those responsible to courts but you cant dictate the whole world so its better to learn Islam and answer those people who ask tough questions .

 

[patriot]

This is the best weapon . These idiots use emotional black mailing to exploit the love for prophet Muhammad pbuh.

This world will not change as per the desires of Muslims , Opponents will attack islam , they will use filthy language against Islam , so what is the solution ?
Shall we just close our doors and shut our eyes or we preach them with the examples of Prophet's noble life .

We have seen there are thousands of people who defend PMLN and Pti on social media , so why cant we defend Islam against such baseless accusations . what is new which was not done before ? Was the same language not used during the time of Prophet Muhammad pbuh, so what the Prophet did ? He changed the hearts of people with his teachings and his life . He did not cut the throats of those who abused him in Ta'if valley .

Lastly , why its always the muslims living in pakistan whose sentiments get hurts so quickly , what about other 1 billion muslims , what they have to do ?
Millions of muslims live in west , what about their sentiments ?

pakistan should remove such material from social media and should bring those responsible to courts but you cant dictate the whole world so its better to learn Islam and answer those people who ask tough questions .

The problem is you can't defend if they are quoting our own sources,Hadith books and history . And mostly that is exactly what they do.
But if they quote The Quran then surely we can defend it.

 

[SachGoee]

This is the best weapon . These idiots use emotional black mailing to exploit the love for prophet Muhammad pbuh.

This world will not change as per the desires of Muslims , Opponents will attack islam , they will use filthy language against Islam , so what is the solution ?
Shall we just close our doors and shut our eyes or we preach them with the examples of Prophet's noble life .

We have seen there are thousands of people who defend PMLN and Pti on social media , so why cant we defend Islam against such baseless accusations . what is new which was not done before ? Was the same language not used during the time of Prophet Muhammad pbuh, so what the Prophet did ? He changed the hearts of people with his teachings and his life . He did not cut the throats of those who abused him in Ta'if valley .

Lastly , why its always the muslims living in pakistan whose sentiments get hurts so quickly , what about other 1 billion muslims , what they have to do ?
Millions of muslims live in west , what about their sentiments ?

pakistan should remove such material from social media and should bring those responsible to courts but you cant dictate the whole world so its better to learn Islam and answer those people who ask tough questions .

Ideology and belief issues. When the Ideology and belief is unislamic ie ripping heads of people than who will bother defending ?


When You give examples of murderers, anti state traitors like Taliban being given death penalties and say that they were given death sentences because of apostasy or blasphemy offences than what do you expect ? In Religion its all about ideology. When the Mullah will present Barbarian Image of Islam than the reaction of their students will be barbaric aswell. Look at Ka'b bin Ashraf who was Anti State who Conspired with anti State Elements and caused killings of Islamic State residents. A Criminal. Is it unimaginable that a Criminal can do blasphemy too ? He was punished for his Anti State acts and for the blood shed and Naqs e Aman he caused but Mullah will say No he was punished for blasphemy.


Prophet of Islam Pbuh forgave dozens of Blasphemers but they ll so No and will present examples which are totally contrary to the nature of Hazur Pbuh to justify their stance.


They expect an Athiest to give Holy Figures Respect and Honour like believers. The Aethiests don't even bare Allah in blasphemy since for them there is No Allah but an imagination. For them its a Lie.



Yes the State must Block pages which hurt religious sentiments of majority residents of State but how far will they go ? Those people will make new pages. Than there are thousands of videos of Apostate Ex Muslims on Internet where they commit blasphemy and degrade Islam. Is it possible to block all of them ? With Every Day Aethiests number is growing so is it possible for State to filter millions of posts, tweets, videos, images daily ? Is it possible ? No. So will we Shut Down Internet altogether ? Is this the remedy ?


First we have to come back to real Mohammadi Pbuh ideology of the way He Pbuh treated Apostates and Blasphemers as you mentioned. Than We will either leave them alone or re-integrate them back to Islam by the real impactful teachings of Islam.


Shaan e Mustafa Pbuh isn't weak and neither it needs beautiful praise worthy words from Aethiests, Apostates or Blasphemers. It will Last forever.

 

[I Love Muhammad (PBUH)]

The problem is you can't defend if they are quoting our own sources,Hadith books and history . And mostly that is exactly what they do.
But if they quote The Quran then surely we can defend it.

Its true , they do bring some fake / zaeef ahadith to put their points across but you can always confront with the right teachings of Quran .

 

[patriot]

Its true , they do bring some fake / zaeef ahadith to put their points across but you can always confront with the right teachings of Quran .

Brother those fake/zaeef ahadith are not fake or zaeef for some of us. Every sect has its own favorite that's why there are so many sects in Islam today.
If we all consider them fake and zaeef why preserve them at all? Why not get rid of them?
And as you might know that some mullahs hold view that if there is a clash between the Quran and a Hadith you may discard the Quran therefore you can not confront with the true teachings of the Quran if the argument is based on the Hadith or history.

we can only defend if they're criticizing quranic verses.

 

[fawad ali]

Tomorow they will say ban internet, then ban computers and mobiles. What illogical to deal with this issue. Kal ko electricity pai bhe Ban laga dein gai.