Hassan Nisar Gives Free Education To PM Yousuf Raza Gilani

Jury

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
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Star Gazer

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Some one has the decency to appreciate the truth and facts, we may yet be able to come out of our denial modes. Pleasent surprise is that this information has been diseminated by an mqm lover, whatever the motive.
 

small4780

Banned
Hassan Nissar, I Salute you

Hassan Nissar, I salute you.

But be ready for attack on you due to your outright truthfulness. You will be accused of being an agent of MQM or Pervez Musharraf.
These remenants of Jamatees, gunja force and fraudia PPP (bhatta khore not 10% may be 80% destructive maafia) will accuse you. So be ready and start wearing a helmet where ever you go brother.
I think, the way people of our country behave, their destinity is what happened on 16 th Dec, 1971, unless their eyes open.
 

Geek

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Imran Khan accepted that FREE MEDIA in Pakistan because of MUSHARRAF.


It shows he is man of principle,if he criticizes some one its for some valid reason not just for the sake of criticism. And when it comes to give credit he doesn't shy away from giving due credit.
 

Spartacus

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
It shows he is man of principle,if he criticizes some one its for some valid reason not just for the sake of criticism. And when it comes to give credit he doesn't shy away from giving due credit.

It is also showing that Great Musharraf was a victim of his own creation ( Media).
 

Geek

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
It is also showing that Great Musharraf was a victim of his own creation ( Media).

No, he was victim of his own blunders, free media is like a mirror, if you are good it will show you good, and if you are bad it will show you bad.
 

Spartacus

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
No, he was victim of his own blunders, free media is like a mirror, if you are good it will show you good, and if you are bad it will show you bad.

Most of Musharraf,s works was good but hater of Musharraf,s ( Most of the media ) showed only mistakes of MUSHARRAF and people of Pakistan did not realise and they voted against MUSHARRAF on 18 Feb. 2008.....Now the result of that wrong decision of voters we have to bear atleast till next Government.....



 

forzeb

Minister (2k+ posts)
nice article by hassan nisar but i am unable to understand why cannot he speaks all these in front of them when he invite all these so called stupid politicians on his programe
 

Spartacus

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Why I miss Musharraf
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Part I

Tuesday, January 06, 2009
Salman K Chima

When General Musharraf seized power, I was not among those who welcomed him although with Justice Tarrar as the President and Shariat Amendment Bill to the Constitution awaiting approval by the Senate, Pakistan was on the verge of being a theocratic state. Why did I oppose Musharraf? Because his rule was undemocratic and unconstitutional.

Yet, today I willingly acknowledge Musharraf. The choice of his successor in the Presidency is reason enough to remember him. But I praise him for the freedom Pakistan breathed under him; for the fact that he did not feel entitled to extra reward for his services. Even his worst detractors do not accuse him of personal corruption. This in a country where rulers have chosen to place their hard earned money in Swiss accounts.

Despite my initial opposition, I would have set the following agenda for the general: 1 . Cleanse the army of the jihadi elements inducted by General Zia. 2. Free the media. 3. Initiate meaningful steps to emancipate women. 4. Bring the minorities into the mainstream of politics. 5. Implement balanced and across the board accountability.

Before we address whether the general delivered, there is an important preliminary matter that needs to be sorted out.

My initial opposition to Musharraf was based on his takeover being unconstitutional and undemocratic. These are of course compelling arguments to oppose a regime, but one must not forget that even Adolph Hitler was popularly elected and had a constitution of sorts. So there is surely a higher principle by which to judge a government - constitution and democracy cannot be the decisive benchmarks.

The decisive benchmark to me is the freedom a regime is prepared to extend to its subjects. Constitutions and democracies represent good forms of government only insofar as they are able to preserve the inherent right of all citizens to be free.

It is against this yardstick that 19th century America fails; as does Hitler's Third Reich - despite being blessed with constitutional and democratic rule. Paradoxically, it is against this higher principle that Musharraf wins.

Reverting to his performance, my first agenda point was the cleansing of the Pakistan Army of jihadi elements. While the 'war on terror' was not visible in 1999, however Pakistanis were acutely aware of the growing Talibanisation around them. The Taliban were ruling Afghanistan and one could predict that a war would have to be fought with their way of thinking within Pakistan.

This war against Talibanisation could scarcely be fought without Pakistan Army. It is also axiomatic that the Pakistan Army inherited from General Zia and his successors was ill equipped to fight this war. So, the first agenda item: to rinse out the Taliban elements from the institution. This may sound an easy task, but remember that the generals who brought Musharraf to power were differently inclined.

Was the task accomplished? Consider: From the first day of Musharraf's rule, General Hameed Gul has been his most vocal critic. Could this be attributed to Gul's love for democracy and constitution or simply resentment at the restructuring of Pakistan Army -- contrary to Gul's desire? Could the present fighting in Bajaur and elsewhere have been possible without deep structural changes in the army? Do not the terrorist attacks afflicting Pakistan indicate the Taliban elements are no longer reacting to Musharraf but to the restructuring put in place by him? The profile of the Pakistan Army's top leadership has been reformed in the last nine years but, the restructuring has virtually gone unappreciated since it took shape away from public eye.

Moving on to freedom of media, one should not have to recount evidence to establish how truly free media was under Musharraf. So let me address some unfair commentaries offered by the General's critics. First, that he did not have a choice; with the advent of satellite TV (which can be beamed from outside the jurisdiction) Musharraf could not have shielded himself from media scrutiny. True, but why is the same freedom not witnessed in Singapore, Malaysia, Myanmar, Iran etc. The government has many ways of curbing media freedom, for instance, not only is the government an important client of all the media houses in terms of advertisement but also runs its own TV channels which can make lucrative offers to the more vocal critics.

Second, the aftermath of Nov 3, 2007: Critics allege if Musharraf believed in media freedom, he would not have curbed it after Nov 3. The argument is fair, but needs to be put in perspective. The period between November 3 and 13, 2007 is admittedly the 'darkest period' of Musharraf's regime from the media freedom perspective. It would perhaps be unfair to judge Musharraf by reference to this period alone.

But how bad was this period really? Let us do a litmus test. Pick a day and newspaper of our choice during this period. Go through this newspaper and select one article which we feel is most critical of Musharraf. Now go through every publication in Pakistan between August 14, 1947 and October 12, 1999 to ascertain how many articles in this period match up to the one we just identified. What are the odds we will find even one?! Does that tell us something about Musharraf's 'darkest period'?

Coming next to emancipation of women, unlike media freedom it must be acknowledged that this did not witness any giant leaps during Musharraf's time. But this task is going to require many generations such being the state of affairs. Yet, one was entitled to ask for some acts (even if symbolic) to set the direction right. It is in this perspective that the following steps may be recounted.

There was a substantial increase in women's representation in the assemblies. Women not only add value in the assemblies but also their representation gradually changes the society's mindset. The 'Sword of Honor' was awarded by the Pakistan Air Force Academy to a lady cadet. The Women's Protection Act - a long overdue amendment to soften a retrogressive law legislated by Zia- was passed as well.

One does regret the General's statement before the American press regarding Mukhtar Mai case. But even here one must not be cruel in judging him.

A detailed study of the LHC judgement reveals that there is indeed another side to the story: Mukhtar Mai may have willingly married the main accused. She at least admitted before the court that she would have been prepared to marry him, in exchange for the main accused's sister marrying her own brother. According to the defense version, this is exactly what happened and she only recorded the FIR once the main accused's sister (contrary to the agreement) was married to someone else. The record also shows that no visible injuries (except a relatively minor abrasion) were seen on Mukhtar Mai during medical examination which took place about eight days after the alleged incident. Mukhtar Mai also admitted that the accused were financially weaker than her own family. Fortunately the matter is before the Supreme Court, and they will put this controversy to rest.

Was not Musharraf advised that the defence version was not entirely baseless? As the country's president, he may have felt agitated by the adverse publicity this case was getting outside Pakistan.

The next agenda point, the minorities: They have been relegated to second class citizenship, particularly since the times of General Zia. Musharraf introduced joint and yet separate electorates for minorities - giving them two votes, one in the general election and one for their own reserved seats. However, after the 17th Amendment, the minorities now only vote in the general election, and their reserved seats are filled by political parties according to their representation in the assembly.

Minorities are also particularly hard done by the Blasphemy Law. A person convicted of blasphemy must suffer (often the death penalty) because he has hurt the deepest feelings of the Muslim majority. But how can people's feelings take priority over a man's right to life or liberty. Musharraf only considered amending the procedural aspects of the law. He backtracked but only a person with the right orientation would even begin to conceive such a move. The other mentionable change (though subsequently reversed) was the removal of the religious column on the passport. He backtracked on this but who else even made an effort.



(To be continued)

http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=155762
 

ehsanali

MPA (400+ posts)
I thinkki there is misconception that MQM is Musharraf suporters or Urdu speaking are his fans.On his face book most fans belong to Punjab and other provinces
MQM is not loyal to any one even Urdu speaking and Karachi.This is mafia and MUNAFIQ.and oppertunists.
 

Star Gazer

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Hassan Nissar, I salute you.

But be ready for attack on you due to your outright truthfulness. You will be accused of being an agent of MQM or Pervez Musharraf.
These remenants of Jamatees, gunja force and fraudia PPP (bhatta khore not 10% may be 80% destructive maafia) will accuse you. So be ready and start wearing a helmet where ever you go brother.
I think, the way people of our country behave, their destinity is what happened on 16 th Dec, 1971, unless their eyes open.

Why do you have to spoil even a good intention with malicious words? This is a sign of confusion when you can not keep different things seperate. Our destiny is not in the hands of people who think like you do and Thank God for that! If you consider yourself a Pakistani then your destiny is the same as ours, do not be fooled that you will be spared anything good or otherwise.
 

FlyHigh

Senator (1k+ posts)
Why do you have to spoil even a good intention with malicious words? This is a sign of confusion when you can not keep different things seperate. Our destiny is not in the hands of people who think like you do and Thank God for that! If you consider yourself a Pakistani then your destiny is the same as ours, do not be fooled that you will be spared anything good or otherwise.

I could not have said it better
 

abbasiali

Minister (2k+ posts)
Whats the appraisal or appreciation for Musharaf, he brought free and fair media for his own purposes, because at that time he was sure, he would deliver all the best and wanted to have that whole credit through media, and later, when he changed his line and became traditional ruler, he did his level best to got through media, threatened channels, as well as it leads to closure of channels etc. So what we are discussing here, who was great or who is great.

Hasan Nisar what ever he wrote is highly appreciate able, but sometimes he simply ignore the other dark side, which is worst and cruel as the brighter part, he tried to project.

Gilani was addressed very correctly, after that every remark is useless.
 
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Star Gazer

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Whats the appraisal or appreciation for Musharaf, he brought free and fair media for his own purposes, because at that time he was sure, he would deliver all the best and wanted to have that whole credit through media, and later, when he changed his line and became traditional ruler, he did his level best to got through media, threatened channels, as well as it leads to closure of channels etc. So what we are discussing here, who was great or who is great.

Hasan Nisar what ever he wrote is highly appreciate able, but sometimes he simply ignore the other dark side, which is worst and cruel as the brighter part, he tried to project.

Gilani was addressed very correctly, after that every remark is useless.


please read the bold part of your own statement and think who would make the effort to bring anything Free and Fair? Only a person who has good honest intentions at the time of the decision of that act, therefore to say that he did it for personal gains in the future is too much confidence on your part to know the underlying intentions of a person and you are also saying that in retrospective! could you or did you say that at the time that he was doing it? We are all ery wise in the hind sight which is always 20/20.
 

Aijazahmed

Minister (2k+ posts)
Whats the appraisal or appreciation for Musharaf, he brought free and fair media for his own purposes, because at that time he was sure, he would deliver all the best and wanted to have that whole credit through media, and later, when he changed his line and became traditional ruler, he did his level best to got through media, threatened channels, as well as it leads to closure of channels etc. So what we are discussing here, who was great or who is great.

Hasan Nisar what ever he wrote is highly appreciate able, but sometimes he simply ignore the other dark side, which is worst and cruel as the brighter part, he tried to project.

Gilani was addressed very correctly, after that every remark is useless.

Yaar Abbasi
After reading your above post a very funny KAHAWAT yaad agai.

"DOODH BHI DIYA TOU MAINGNI WALA" LOL

Bhai mere, agar taareef hi kerni tou poori tarah kaor ya at least watch the show of Imran Khan posted by sparatacus here. Please have a look what your IK says.
 

Spartacus

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Whats the appraisal or appreciation for Musharaf, he brought free and fair media for his own purposes, because at that time he was sure, he would deliver all the best and wanted to have that whole credit through media, and later, when he changed his line and became traditional ruler, he did his level best to got through media, threatened channels, as well as it leads to closure of channels etc. So what we are discussing here, who was great or who is great.

Hasan Nisar what ever he wrote is highly appreciate able, but sometimes he simply ignore the other dark side, which is worst and cruel as the brighter part, he tried to project.

Gilani was addressed very correctly, after that every remark is useless.

If we suppose your theory is based on truth that means MUSHARRAF was sure that he will give something to the nation and he will show this all through MEDIA.....ok .....right ?
That means he was motivated to do something to our country......right ?
PPPP and PML-n came 4 times in power before MUSHARRAF and they both even did not think this simple formula . You know why ....?? Because they both had no plan to do good for country and that is why they wanted total control on MEDIA.....
Musharraf is a victim of his own creation FREE MEDIA and this is MEDIA who is showing all the bad faces of PPPP and PML-n to the nation every day . Thank you Musharraf Ji....
 

abbasiali

Minister (2k+ posts)
please read the bold part of your own statement and think who would make the effort to bring anything Free and Fair? Only a person who has good honest intentions at the time of the decision of that act, therefore to say that he did it for personal gains in the future is too much confidence on your part to know the underlying intentions of a person and you are also saying that in retrospective! could you or did you say that at the time that he was doing it? We are all ery wise in the hind sight which is always 20/20.
lol
What I meant, need to be given a serious thought and understanding, I am wondering how I am taken so wrongly, But its all true, the whole purpose was to use for this channel for its own purposes, for which he was successful, If you remember till that time, our hero Imran Khan was sitting with him as well. So how smart Musharaf was at that time, you need to open up and go into the roots of that time politics. Any ways it was a game later on end up with personal game.
 

abbasiali

Minister (2k+ posts)
Yaar Abbasi
After reading your above post a very funny KAHAWAT yaad agai.

"DOODH BHI DIYA TOU MAINGNI WALA" LOL

Bhai mere, agar taareef hi kerni tou poori tarah kaor ya at least watch the show of Imran Khan posted by sparatacus here. Please have a look what your IK says.
WOW
Kiya khainch ker marney ki koshish ki hai, hahahaha
Agar is programme ko pura deikhain to Imran Khan saath main yeh bhi kehtein hain key, Musharaf Sahab ney baad main apney hi purposes key liyey jo kuch isi azaad media key saath kiya woh sub key saamney hai, is subject per hum itni baar behaas kartey rahein, jis ka koi faida nahi, magar lugta hai aaj kul hum dono key pass kaafi fuzool time aa gaya hai Musharaf per zaya karney key liyey .llllooollllllllzzzzz
 
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