Has Syria been Framed in CW Attack?? The Fog of War in/on Syria.

Bani Adam

Senator (1k+ posts)
Leaked documents show rebels behind CW attack, as US/NATO Frame Syria
-- by StormCloudsGathering


Does Obama know hes fighting on al-Qaidas side?

All for one and one for all should be the battle cry if the West goes to war against Assads Syrian regime

Robert Fisk Tuesday 27 August 2013
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If Barack Obama decides to attack the Syrian regime, he has ensured for the very first time in history that the United States will be on the same side as al-Qaida.

Quite an alliance! Was it not the Three Musketeers who shouted All for one and one for all each time they sought combat? This really should be the new battle cry if or when the statesmen of the Western world go to war against Bashar al-Assad.

The men who destroyed so many thousands on 9/11 will then be fighting alongside the very nation whose innocents they so cruelly murdered almost exactly 12 years ago. Quite an achievement for Obama, Cameron, Hollande and the rest of the miniature warlords.

This, of course, will not be trumpeted by the Pentagon or the White House nor, I suppose, by al-Qaida though they are both trying to destroy Bashar. So are the Nusra front, one of al-Qaidas affiliates. But it does raise some interesting possibilities.

Maybe the Americans should ask al-Qaida for intelligence help after all, this is the group with boots on the ground, something the Americans have no interest in doing. And maybe al-Qaida could offer some target information facilities to the country which usually claims that the supporters of al-Qaida, rather than the Syrians, are the most wanted men in the world.

There will be some ironies, of course. While the Americans drone al-Qaida to death in Yemen and Pakistan along, of course, with the usual flock of civilians they will be giving them, with the help of Messrs Cameron, Hollande and the other Little General-politicians, material assistance in Syria by hitting al-Qaidas enemies. Indeed, you can bet your bottom dollar that the one target the Americans will not strike in Syria will be al-Qaida or the Nusra front.

And our own Prime Minister will applaud whatever the Americans do, thus allying himself with al-Qaida, whose London bombings may have slipped his mind. Perhaps since there is no institutional memory left among modern governments Cameron has forgotten how similar are the sentiments being uttered by Obama and himself to those uttered by Bush and Blair a decade ago, the same bland assurances, uttered with such self-confidence but without quite enough evidence to make it stick.

In Iraq, we went to war on the basis of lies originally uttered by fakers and conmen. Now its war by YouTube. This doesnt mean that the terrible images of the gassed and dying Syrian civilians are false. It does mean that any evidence to the contrary is going to have to be suppressed. For example, no-one is going to be interested in persistent reports in Beirut that three Hezbollah members fighting alongside government troops in Damascus were apparently struck down by the same gas on the same day, supposedly in tunnels. They are now said to be undergoing treatment in a Beirut hospital. So if Syrian government forces used gas, how come Hezbollah men might have been stricken too? Blowback?

And while were talking about institutional memory, hands up which of our jolly statesmen know what happened last time the Americans took on the Syrian government army? I bet they cant remember. Well it happened in Lebanon when the US Air Force decided to bomb Syrian missiles in the Bekaa Valley on 4 December 1983. I recall this very well because I was here in Lebanon. An American A-6 fighter bomber was hit by a Syrian Strela missile Russian made, naturally and crash-landed in the Bekaa; its pilot, Mark Lange, was killed, its co-pilot, Robert Goodman, taken prisoner and freighted off to jail in Damascus. Jesse Jackson had to travel to Syria to get him back after almost a month amid many clichs about ending the cycle of violence. Another American plane this time an A-7 was also hit by Syrian fire but the pilot managed to eject over the Mediterranean where he was plucked from the water by a Lebanese fishing boat. His plane was also destroyed.

Sure, we are told that it will be a short strike on Syria, in and out, a couple of days. Thats what Obama likes to think. But think Iran. Think Hezbollah. I rather suspect if Obama does go ahead that this one will run and run.


http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...ow-hes-fighting-on-alqaidas-side-8786680.html
 

Believer12

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
سیریا پر اٹیک ھوگا اور ضرور ھوگا کوی بھی ملک جو امریکہ یا اسرائیل کیلیے خطرھ بنے یا انکی نافرمانی کرے اس پر اٹیک کیا جاتا ھے۔صدام،قذافی،یاسر عرفات اس کی مثالیں ھین ھاں مڈل ایسٹ سے باھر ممالک کی اھمیت تھوڑی سی کم ھوجاتی ھے۔
 

KHALIFA.

Senator (1k+ posts)
امریکہ سمجھتا تھا کہ اسکے بھیجے القاعدہ جنگجو شام کو فتح کرنے کیلئے کافی ہونگے مگر اسد نے روسی مدد سے ان پر قابو پالیا۔ اب امریکہ ،برطانیہ اور اتحادی اپنی خفت چھپانے کیلئے خود حملہ کرنے جا رہے ہیں۔۔ مگر سوال یہ ہے کہ کیا روس اپنے سب سے پرانے حلیف کو یوں ہی پٹنے دیگا۔۔؟
 

KhanHaripur

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
The truth is western powers want to go to syria to kill more muslims and to stop the Mujahideen not to overthrow bashar al khinzeer for using chemical weapons if thats the case they should attack ISRAHELL first.
 

Innocent person

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
امریکہ فوج ایک بار شام ضرور ’اترے‘ اور جلد ہی اللہ تعالیٰ ان کو انجام تک پہنچا کر ہمارا بیت المقدس آزاد کرانے کا آغاز ہو جائے۔۔۔آمین
 

Mehrushka

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
سیریا پر اٹیک ھوگا اور ضرور ھوگا کوی بھی ملک جو امریکہ یا اسرائیل کیلیے خطرھ بنے یا انکی نافرمانی کرے اس پر اٹیک کیا جاتا ھے۔صدام،قذافی،یاسر عرفات اس کی مثالیں ھین ھاں مڈل ایسٹ سے باھر ممالک کی اھمیت تھوڑی سی کم ھوجاتی ھے۔


US would attack any country to save israel's interest:angry_smile:
 

Mehrushka

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
امریکہ فوج ایک بار شام ضرور ’اترے‘ اور جلد ہی اللہ تعالیٰ ان کو انجام تک پہنچا کر ہمارا بیت المقدس آزاد کرانے کا آغاز ہو جائے۔۔۔آمین


US would enter syria...the point is wahan se nikle gi kese???? afghanistan main inka anjam log dekh chuke hain...:biggthumpup:
 

lurker

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
"If Barack Obama decides to attack the Syrian regime, he has ensured – for the very first time in history – that the United States will be on the same side as al-Qa’ida."

OR

Al Qaida has sided with the US for the first time in history. Technically I think they both have sided many times. It's not new. Woh famous arabic proverb suna hai na?

The Enemy of my Enemy is my friend? ;)
 

Mehrushka

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
The truth is western powers want to go to syria to kill more muslims and to stop the Mujahideen not to overthrow bashar al khinzeer for using chemical weapons if thats the case they should attack ISRAHELL first.

its not the govt that used chemical weapons knowing fully well UN inspectors near by eyes are on them....rebels used them provided by US:angry_smile:
 

lurker

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
The truth is western powers want to go to syria to kill more muslims and to stop the Mujahideen not to overthrow bashar al khinzeer for using chemical weapons if thats the case they should attack ISRAHELL first.
Why you guys after Israel? They had a nice fair and square war. I think they were even handicapped. But they played the game better than all the muslim countries combined and they won. I don't really like them or their policies, but the fact is there was a war and they won. Simple. You can't deny a winning country their due.
 

Mehrushka

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Hahaha Talibans can only do cowardly attacks, behind people's backs. They know they can't face the enemy in an open battlefield.

yea and the brave US....kills innocent around the world openly while our brave muslim leaders clap....haina?????
 

Mehrushka

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
[h=1]White House rules out 'regime change' among options for Syria[/h]
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(Reuters) - The White House ruled out any military effort to oust Syrian President Bashar al-Assad from power on Tuesday as President Barack Obama ponders options in response to last week's chemical weapons attack in Syria.
"The options that we are considering are not about regime change," said White House spokesman Jay Carney. "They are about responding to a clear violation of an international standard that prohibits the use of chemical weapons."
Obama is considering cruise missile strikes against Syrian targets in response to the August 21 chemical weapons attack that U.S. officials are increasingly confident was launched by the Syrian government.
Carney said the United States expects to release in coming days a public version of a formal report by the U.S. intelligence community on the use of chemical weapons. The report is expected to conclude the Syrian government was responsible for the attack.
Any attempt at "regime change" by the United States would draw the United States deeply into a conflict that Obama has been determined to avoid. The president has already ruled out putting U.S. troops on the ground in Syria.
The United States wants Assad to leave power, but as part of a negotiated political settlement with the Syrian rebels.
Carney said the United States has a variety of options from which to use, not just military options. Most of the talk about Syria in recent days, however, has been about a limited cruise missile attack.
Carney reiterated that Obama had not made a decision on how the United States will respond to what it believes was an attack on civilians by the Syrian government.
"When the president has an announcement to make, he'll make it," Carney said

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/27/us-syria-crisis-obama-intelligence-idUSBRE97Q0S820130827


US plan for syria.........attack,invade...make a mess of this country :angry_smile:
 

Mehrushka

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Atleast the US Kills "others" not their OWN women and children. (clap)

oh puhleezzzz........do i have to go through 9/11 saga to remind you who killed and injured US citizens......hint:inside job:biggthumpup:
 

Pakistani1947

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
It seems that Muslims have killed more Muslims themselves as oppose to non-Muslims killing Muslims.

Allah says in Quraan:

وَاعْتَصِمُوا بِحَبْلِ اللَّهِ جَمِيعًا وَلَا تَفَرَّقُوا ۚ وَاذْكُرُوا نِعْمَتَ اللَّهِ عَلَيْكُمْ إِذْ كُنتُمْ أَعْدَاءً فَأَلَّفَ بَيْنَ قُلُوبِكُمْ فَأَصْبَحْتُم بِنِعْمَتِهِ إِخْوَانًا وَكُنتُمْ عَلَىٰ شَفَا حُفْرَةٍ مِّنَ النَّارِ فَأَنقَذَكُم مِّنْهَا ۗ كَذَ*ٰلِكَ يُبَيِّنُ اللَّهُ لَكُمْ آيَاتِهِ لَعَلَّكُمْ تَهْتَدُونَ
( سورة آل عمران , Aal-e-Imran, Chapter #3, Verse #103)

Yusuf Ali 103: And hold fast, all together, by the rope which Allah (stretches out for you), and be not divided among yourselves; and remember with gratitude Allah's favour on you; for ye were enemies and He joined your hearts in love, so that by His Grace, ye became brethren; and ye were on the brink of the pit of Fire, and He saved you from it. Thus doth Allah make His Signs clear to you: That ye may be guided.
اور سب مل کر الله کی رسی مضبوط پکڑو اور پھوٹ نہ ڈالو اور الله کا احسان اپنے اوپر یاد کرو جب کہ تم آپس میں دشمن تھے پھر تمہارے دلوں میں الفت ڈال دی پھر تم اس کے فضل سے بھائی بھائی ہو گئے اور تم آگ کے گڑھے کے کنارے پر تھے پھر تم کو اس سے نجات دی اس طرح تم پر الله اپنی نشانیاں بیان کرتا ہے تاکہ تم ہدایت پاؤ

The Glorious Qur'an says :

إِنَّ الَّذِينَ فَرَّقُوا دِينَهُمْ وَكَانُوا شِيَعًا لَّسْتَ مِنْهُمْ فِي شَيْءٍ ۚ إِنَّمَا أَمْرُهُمْ إِلَى اللَّهِ ثُمَّ يُنَبِّئُهُم بِمَا كَانُوا يَفْعَلُونَ
Yusuf Ali 159: As for those who divide their religion and break up into sects, thou hast no part in them in the least: their affair is with Allah. He will in the end tell them the truth of all that they did. [Al-Qur'an 6:159]
جنہوں نے اپنے دین کو ٹکڑے ٹکڑے کر دیا اور کئی جماعتیں بن گئے تیرا ان سے کوئی تعلق نہیں اس کا کام الله ہی کے حوالے ہے پھر وہی انہیں بتلائے گا جو کچھ وہ کرتے تھے



Just think about it ... neither any of he four Imams were follower of a particular sect nor they instructed Muslims to follow any particular sect. They were actually follower of Quraan and authentic Hadeeths.
Amazingly they did not follow each other but followed the source i.e., Quraan and authentic Hadeeths.

All the four great Imams said that if any of their Fatwas or teachings contradict Allah’s word, i.e. the Qur’an, or the sayings of the Prophet (pbuh) i.e. authentic Hadith, then that particulars Fatwa of theirs should be rejected, and the Sunnah of the Prophet should be followed.

Refer:
a. Eeqaadh al-Himam, Al Fulaanee (Imam Abu Hanifa)
b. Al-Majmoo’ of an-Nawawee (1/63) (Imam Shafi)
c. Jaami ‘Bayan al-Ilm, Ibn Abdul-Barr (Imam Malik)
d. Eeqaadh al-Himam (Imam Hanbal)


 
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