Hadith about Muslim Leaders

free_thinker

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Volume 9, Book 88, Number 176:

Narrated Ibn Abbas:

The Prophet said, "Whoever disapproves of something done by his ruler then he should be patient, for whoever disobeys the ruler even a little (little = a span) will die as those who died in the Pre- lslamic Period of Ignorance. (i.e. as rebellious Sinners).


SAHIH BUKHARI
 

free_thinker

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Volume 9, Book 88, Number 179:

Narrated Usaid bin Hudair:

A man came to the Prophet and said, "O Allah's Apostle! You appointed such-and-such person and you did not appoint me?" The Prophet said, "After me you will see rulers not giving you your right (but you should give them their right) and be patient till you meet me."

SAHIH BUKHARI



Question: Why are PTIians not following the teachings of their Prophet and are following IKs? Who is right IK or the Prophet?

#NoDharaForPanamaLeaks

haha
 

free_thinker

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Volume 4, Book 52, Number 203:

Narrated Ibn 'Umar:

The 'Prophet said, "It is obligatory for one to listen to and obey (the ruler's orders) unless these orders involve one disobedience (to Allah); but if an act of disobedience (to Allah) is imposed, he should not listen to or obey it."


SAHIH BUKHARI


Question: Since NS is not giving any orders of disobedience (to Allah), why are PTIians not obeying him and are obeying IK?

#NoDharaForPanamaLeaks


 

free_thinker

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Volume 8, Book 78, Number 619:

Narrated 'Abdur-Rahman bin Samura:

The Prophet said, "O 'Abdur-Rahman bin Samura! Do not seek to be a ruler, because if you are given authority for it, then you will be held responsible for it, but if you are given it without asking for it, then you will be helped in it (by Allah): and whenever you take an oath to do something and later you find that something else is better than the first, then do the better one and make expiation for your oath."

SAHIH BUKHARI

Question: Why are people expecting that NS should not have made exceptions for himself or his family when this hadith quite clearly says it is okay to do so? He must have felt that helping his own family was better then countless poor people of this country who are stupid enough to vote for him. Remember, you can not fix stupid.

#NoDharaForPanamaLeaks

 

free_thinker

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Volume 8, Book 78, Number 621:

Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Prophet said, "We (Muslims) are the last in the world, but will be foremost on the Day of Resurrection." Allah's Apostle also said, "By Allah, if anyone of you insists on fulfilling an oath by which he may harm his family, he commits a greater sin in Allah's sight than that of dissolving his oath and making expiation for it."

SAHIH BUKHARI

Question: This hadith clearly tells that the Prohpet of muslim said that muslims are last in the world, NS is just doing his job to fulfill the words of your Prophet, Anyone (like IK), who says he will change that, is just going AGAINST the words of Prophet. Why are PTIians following IK and are not reading the authentic hadiths?

#NoDharaForPanamaLeaks
 

Pakistani1947

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Volume 8, Book 78, Number 621:

Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Prophet said, "We (Muslims) are the last in the world, but will be foremost on the Day of Resurrection." Allah's Apostle also said, "By Allah, if anyone of you insists on fulfilling an oath by which he may harm his family, he commits a greater sin in Allah's sight than that of dissolving his oath and making expiation for it."

SAHIH BUKHARI

Question: This hadith clearly tells that the Prohpet of muslim said that muslims are last in the world, NS is just doing his job to fulfill the words of your Prophet, Anyone (like IK), who says he will change that, is just going AGAINST the words of Prophet. Why are PTIians following IK and are not reading the authentic hadiths?

#NoDharaForPanamaLeaks

1. Prime minister is not a ruler in democratic system of government. It is parliament who has supremacy.
2. A King's rule is better than a government run by corrupt politicians.
 

free_thinker

Councller (250+ posts)
I think you are quoting the wrong post of mine. The post you quoted did not ask about the role of PM of if the kings are better. It was ..

Question: This hadith clearly tells that the Prohpet of muslim said that muslims are last in the world, NS is just doing his job to fulfill the words of your Prophet, Anyone (like IK), who says he will change that, is just going AGAINST the words of Prophet. Why are PTIians following IK and are not reading the authentic hadiths?

Now coming to your reply

1. Prime minister is not a ruler in democratic system of government. It is parliament who has supremacy.

You need to learn a lot about the role of PM in our politics. This is a good start.

The Prime Minister of Pakistan is the head of government of Pakistan and designated as the "chief executive of the Republic." The Prime minister leads the executive branch of the government, oversees the economical growth, heads the Council of Common Interests as well as the Cabinet, and is vested with the command authority over the nuclear arsenals.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prime_Minister_of_Pakistan


OR

Constitutional position of Prime Minister in Pakistan

1. Introduction:
In the parliamentary system prime minister is the head of the government and the whole system of the state revolves round him. he is the leader of majority party in the parliament and he is the source of power. he is more power full than the president.

2. Relevant provisions:
Article 46, 91, 95 of the constitution of Pakistan.

3. The office of the prime minister according to the constitution of the 1973:
The prime minister under the constitution of 1973 is the real executive and head of the government.the president is merely a constitutional figure head who acts on the advice of the prime minister. in fact he is the real ruler of Pakistan.

http://www.vuhelp.net/threads/36514...minister-of-Pakistan-(1995-A)-(2000-A)-(2004)

2. A King's rule is better than a government run by corrupt politicians.

So? A corrupt king is worst than honest politicians? There are FAR more developed and successful countries that are run by politicians than by Kings. Kings are not answerable to the people (they do not need votes) by politicians are.

 
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Pakistani1947

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
I think you are quoting the wrong post of mine. The post you quoted did not ask about the role of PM of if the kings are better. It was ..

Question: This hadith clearly tells that the Prohpet of muslim said that muslims are last in the world, NS is just doing his job to fulfill the words of your Prophet, Anyone (like IK), who says he will change that, is just going AGAINST the words of Prophet. Why are PTIians following IK and are not reading the authentic hadiths?

Now coming to your reply



You need to learn a lot about the role of PM in our politics. This is a good start.

The Prime Minister of Pakistan is the head of government of Pakistan and designated as the "chief executive of the Republic." The Prime minister leads the executive branch of the government, oversees the economical growth, heads the Council of Common Interests as well as the Cabinet, and is vested with the command authority over the nuclear arsenals.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prime_Minister_of_Pakistan


OR

Constitutional position of Prime Minister in Pakistan

1. Introduction:
In the parliamentary system prime minister is the head of the government and the whole system of the state revolves round him. he is the leader of majority party in the parliament and he is the source of power. he is more power full than the president.

2. Relevant provisions:
Article 46, 91, 95 of the constitution of Pakistan.

3. The office of the prime minister according to the constitution of the 1973:
The prime minister under the constitution of 1973 is the real executive and head of the government.the president is merely a constitutional figure head who acts on the advice of the prime minister. in fact he is the real ruler of Pakistan.

http://www.vuhelp.net/threads/36514...minister-of-Pakistan-(1995-A)-(2000-A)-(2004)



So? A corrupt king is worst than honest politicians? There are FAR more developed and successful countries that are run by politicians than by Kings. Kings are not answerable to the people (they do not need votes) by politicians are.


1. A PM of Pakistan is answerable to the Parliament, the Parliament can over through the PM by using vote of no confidence whereas a King is not answerable to anybody nobody can dismiss him except through using deadly force.

2. I never said that a corrupt King is better than honest politicians! In fact it is very rare to have a corrupt King. The King usually treat his country as his personal property and knows that survival of his kingdom is based on the strength of his country where PM like Navaz are willing to sell Pakistani interest to enemy country like India. PM like Navaz will invest offshore as he would have no future interest in his country.
 

free_thinker

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1. A PM of Pakistan is answerable to the Parliament, the Parliament can over through the PM by using vote of no confidence whereas a King is not answerable to anybody nobody can dismiss him except through using deadly force.

Right now PM of pakistan has the majority in Parliament, and if you think his slaves will vote against him you are living in a completely different world.

2. I never said that a corrupt King is better than honest politicians! In fact it is very rare to have a corrupt King. The King usually treat his country as his personal property and knows that survival of his kingdom is based on the strength of his country where PM like Navaz are willing to sell Pakistani interest to enemy country like India. PM like Navaz will invest offshore as he would have no future interest in his country.

That is just plain stupid man, if Kings were so good, why do you think developed world moved to democracy? The Kings treat the country as personal property because the countries were considered their personal properties, and no one would raise a voice against the wrong doings of the Kings. I do not think you understand that given absolute power and no fear of accountability, human have the capability of doing whatever the heck they want to do. It is the accountability offered in true democracy, that puts reigns on the cruel wishes of leaders.

PM like Navaz will invest offshore as he would have no future interest in his country

Only time will tell if that is going to happen or not. Right now, he is one of the most (probably the most) successful man in the country whether we like it or not. He seems to have overwhelming support by his followers, even in situation like this where he is caught red handed. Chances are, you and me might not have a future in PK but his generations would.

Being realist is a good thing.