Good News: No attack on Iran

[zhohaq]

http://mondoweiss.net/2012/09/obama...hes-hands-of-israeli-attack-ynet-reports.html

Obama talks to Iran and washes hands of Israeli attack, Ynet reports

by Annie Robbins on September 3, 2012 50

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Iranian drill in Strait of Hormuz (Photo: Ynet/MCT)

Ready for Labor Day weekend news flash? Hold onto your hats. Directly after Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman General Dempsey announced he wouldn't want to be"complicit" if Israel attacked Iran, Ynet reports (via interlocutors) the U.S. has informed Iran we will not be backing any Israeli strike against Iranian nuclear facilities in return for Iran steering clear of attacking American assets in the Persian Gulf.

This is an explosive assertion. Reuters reports this is being "played down" by Israeli officials. The White House "did not immediately respond to a request for comment" on this report but gave more "no daylight between" lip service yesterday.
Reuters:

Israeli officials played down a report in an Israeli newspaper on Monday that accused Washington of secretly negotiating with Tehran to keep the United States out of a future Israel-Iran war.
Israel's most widely-read newspaper, Yedioth Ahronoth, said Washington had approached Tehran through two unidentified European countries to convey the message that the United States would not be dragged into hostilities if Israel attacked Iran over its nuclear programme.
The paper said the United States told Iran it expected Tehran in return to refrain from retaliating against U.S. interests, including its military in the Gulf. The report did not disclose any source for its information.
An Israeli official, who asked not to be identified, described the report as illogical.
"It doesn't make sense," the official said. "There would be no need to make such a promise to the Iranians because they realise the last thing they need is to attack U.S. targets and draw massive U.S. bombing raids."
The White House did not immediately respond to a request for comment over the Israeli newspaper story, which appeared during the Labor Day holiday.
.......
The Obama administration says it is strongly committed to Israel's security and to preventing Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon. White House spokesman Jay Carney said on Sunday: "I can tell you that there is absolutely no daylight between the United States and Israel when it comes to the necessity of preventing Iran from acquiring a nuclear weapon."
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Let's not forget Israel's demand for a statement from Obama about an attack on Iran by Yom Kippur or at the UN General Assembly on September 25. In the light of those demands, Dempsey's statement is understandable, explosive, believable and revealing. But what do we make of this latest assertion regarding 'negotiations' with Iran? Sounds a little like the kind of stuff cooked up by the opposition during an election cycle!
Things are heating up, that's for sure.
Reuters:

Israel's top-selling daily Yedioth Ahronoth reported on Friday that there had been an "unprecedented" and "angry" exchange between Netanyahu and the U.S. ambassador in Tel Aviv earlier this month over Iran.
Quoting a source who was present at the meeting, Netanyahu had criticised Obama for not doing enough to tackle Iran. The U.S. ambassador Daniel Shapiro took exception and accused the prime minister of distorting Obama's position.

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Quoting the sages: pressure drop, oh, pressure, Oh yeah, pressures gonna drop on you.
Update: Reuters is now reporting U.S. denies Israeli newspaper report of secret Iran contacts.

About Annie Robbins

Annie Robbins is Writer at Large for Mondoweiss, a mother, a human rights activist and a ceramic artist. She lives in the SF bay area.

 

[gotti]

Apparently, that's news :P

 

[muslim01]

Its obvious. Two secret best friends (USA and Iran) will never fight!

 

[sangeen]

US will never attack Iran neither will Israel..... its all Topi drama....

 

[mehwish_ali]

اللہ کے فضل و کرم سے ایران ٹیکنالوجی کے حساب سے اتنا مضبوط ہو گیا ہے کہ امریکہ اتنی مہنگی جنگ لڑنے کی ہمت نہیں کر پا رہا ہے۔ اور اسرائیل تو پرکاہ کی حیثیت رکھتا ہے جو کہ حزب اللہ کے ہاتھوں ہی منہ کی کھا کر بیٹھا ہوا ہے۔

ایران ایک طویل و عریض ملک ہے اور اس نے اپنی ایٹمی اور فوجی تنصیبات پورے ملک میں دشوار ترین علاقوں میں انتہائی عقلمندی سے پھیلا رکھی ہیں۔

خاص طور پر ایرانی ایٹمی تنصیبات کو تو امریکہ بھی نقصان نہیں پہنچا سکتا تو اسرائیل کس کھیت کی مولی رہ گیا ہے۔ اسی لیے یہودی لابی ہر ہر صورت امریکا کو اس جنگ میں دھکیلنا چاہتی ہے، مگر امریکہ کو اپنی اکانومی کی پڑی ہے اور امریکی عوام ایران سے جنگ کے خلاف ہیں۔


اسلامی ایران کے سائنسدانوں نے ایک خاص قسم کا کنکریٹ تیار کرنے کی ٹیکنالوجی حاصل کی ہے، جو کہ عام کنکریٹ کے مقابلے میں "بیس" گنا زیادہ مضبوط ہے۔ اسکی مضبوطی کا عالم یہ ہے کہ امریکہ کا سب سے طاقتور ترین بم بھی ایرانی ایٹمی تنصیبات کو تباہ نہیں کر سکتا۔ شکر الحمدللہ۔

ایران کی یہ ٹیکنالوجی امریکہ و اسرائیل سے زیادہ تکفیری حضرات کے سینوں میں مونگ دل رہی ہے اور یہ پیچ و تاب کھائے جا رہے ہیں۔

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Irans Invulnerable Bunkers?

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2007/04/irans_superconc/

A few weeks back, the Air Force detonated out its most powerful bunker-buster yet. But a new Iranian super-strong concrete might make it almost useless before it reaches service.

I owe this story to DANGER ROOM reader Jay Sappington, a civil engineer in Fort Worth. He graduated with his masters from the University of Texas at Arlington (UTA), where he had participated in a student competition organized by theAmerican Concrete Institute. The challenge was to make a 2x2 concrete cube with the highest possible compressive strength. Among the competitors at this internationally diverse school was a team from the University of Tehran. Jay takes up the story.

"I designed a 2x2 concrete cube with a compressive strength of 16,000 psi [pounds per square inch] at 28-days, a relatively high strength as standard concrete is on the order of 3,000 psi, typically. Now, The University of Tehran made several cubes between 50,000 to 60,000 psi, and possible stronger! I thought the aggregate to be made from quartz, and I also remember some steel fibers in the mix. These cubes exploded at failure, finally damaging the compression machine on the third or fourth cube (that machine was substantial, made for much larger samples). So, keep in mind this is unreinforced concrete (save the steel fibers) at an early age. Concrete becomes stronger, sometimes by orders of magnitude, over time.

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Jay Googled the sponsoring professor of the Iranian students, and found that he has an extensive resume in the fields of ultra high strength concrete and nuclear reactors. So its far from impossible that the Iranian nuclear industry has access to some pretty advanced technology in this area and given the repeated threats to bomb nuclear installations, we can expect them to be well protected.
To give you some idea of just how tough we are talking, rock of over 10,000 psi is considered hard. The strongest granite is about 30,000 psi. How well would the MOP
deal with ultra-tough concrete?
According to Globalsecurity.org, the Air Forces new, 30,000-pound, bunker-busting Massive Ordnance Penetrator
"is expected to penetrate as much as 60 meters [200 feet] through 5,000
psi reinforced concrete. It will burrow 8 meters into the ground through 10,000 psi reinforced concrete."
Thats quite a reduction between 5,000 and 10,000 psi. Something several times stronger could degrade performance a lot more. I asked Rex Swenson,
Public Affairs Liaison of the Air Force Research Laboratorys Munition Directorate, about this. He answered:

Unfortunately, we can not discuss the actual capabilities of the MOP due to security concerns. Suffice to say that the numbers on the Global Security website were not provided by DTRA [Defense Threat Reduction Agency] or the AFRL/MN.
The bottom line is that any highly reinforced target might withstand one strike from a MOP, but even a bunker roof made of 60,000 psi concrete can be chipped away at until it finally fails to protect whats underneath.
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Personally,
Id guess that advanced concrete could severely limit the effectiveness of the blunt instrument/brute force approach embodied by MOP. You really dont want to be dropping bombs at intervals against the same spot, especially when an aircraft can only carry one.
The answer has to lie in smarter weapons with more advanced payloads. The Air Force is looking at more sophisticated ways to defeat a bunker complex earthquake bombs and robot cockroaches being among the more extreme. Beating your head against an ultra-hard concrete wall may not be the answer.

 

[gotti]

اللہ کے فضل و کرم سے ایران ٹیکنالوجی کے حساب سے اتنا مضبوط ہو گیا ہے کہ امریکہ اتنی مہنگی جنگ لڑنے کی ہمت نہیں کر پا رہا ہے۔ اور اسرائیل تو پرکاہ کی حیثیت رکھتا ہے جو کہ حزب اللہ کے ہاتھوں ہی منہ کی کھا کر بیٹھا ہوا ہے۔

ایران ایک طویل و عریض ملک ہے اور اس نے اپنی ایٹمی اور فوجی تنصیبات پورے ملک میں دشوار ترین علاقوں میں انتہائی عقلمندی سے پھیلا رکھی ہیں۔

خاص طور پر ایرانی ایٹمی تنصیبات کو تو امریکہ بھی نقصان نہیں پہنچا سکتا تو اسرائیل کس کھیت کی مولی رہ گیا ہے۔ اسی لیے یہودی لابی ہر ہر صورت امریکا کو اس جنگ میں دھکیلنا چاہتی ہے، مگر امریکہ کو اپنی اکانومی کی پڑی ہے اور امریکی عوام ایران سے جنگ کے خلاف ہیں۔


اسلامی ایران کے سائنسدانوں نے ایک خاص قسم کا کنکریٹ تیار کرنے کی ٹیکنالوجی حاصل کی ہے، جو کہ عام کنکریٹ کے مقابلے میں "بیس" گنا زیادہ مضبوط ہے۔ اسکی مضبوطی کا عالم یہ ہے کہ امریکہ کا سب سے طاقتور ترین بم بھی ایرانی ایٹمی تنصیبات کو تباہ نہیں کر سکتا۔ شکر الحمدللہ۔

ایران کی یہ ٹیکنالوجی امریکہ و اسرائیل سے زیادہ تکفیری حضرات کے سینوں میں مونگ دل رہی ہے اور یہ پیچ و تاب کھائے جا رہے ہیں۔

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Iran’s Invulnerable Bunkers?

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2007/04/irans_superconc/

A few weeks back, the Air Force detonated out its most powerful bunker-buster yet. But a new Iranian super-strong concrete might make it almost useless before it reaches service.

I owe this story to DANGER ROOM reader Jay Sappington, a civil engineer in Fort Worth. He graduated with his masters from the University of Texas at Arlington (UTA), where he had participated in a student competition organized by theAmerican Concrete Institute. The challenge was to make a 2”x2” concrete cube with the highest possible compressive strength. Among the competitors at this internationally diverse school was a team from the University of Tehran. Jay takes up the story.

"I designed a 2”x2” concrete cube with a compressive strength of 16,000 psi [pounds per square inch] at 28-days, a relatively high strength as standard concrete is on the order of 3,000 psi, typically. Now, The University of Tehran made several cubes between 50,000 to 60,000 psi, and possible stronger! I thought the aggregate to be made from quartz, and I also remember some steel fibers in the mix. These cubes exploded at failure, finally damaging the compression machine on the third or fourth cube (that machine was substantial, made for much larger samples). So, keep in mind this is unreinforced concrete (save the steel fibers) at an early age. Concrete becomes stronger, sometimes by orders of magnitude, over time.

​

Jay Googled the sponsoring professor of the Iranian students, and found that he has an extensive resume in the fields of ultra high strength concrete and nuclear reactors. So it’s far from impossible that the Iranian nuclear industry has access to some pretty advanced technology in this area – and given the repeated threats to bomb nuclear installations, we can expect them to be well protected.
To give you some idea of just how tough we are talking, rock of over 10,000 psi is considered hard. The strongest granite is about 30,000 psi. How well would the MOP
deal with ultra-tough concrete?
According to Globalsecurity.org, the Air Force’s new, 30,000-pound, bunker-busting Massive Ordnance Penetrator
"is expected to penetrate as much as 60 meters [200 feet] through 5,000
psi reinforced concrete. It will burrow 8 meters into the ground through 10,000 psi reinforced concrete."
That’s quite a reduction between 5,000 and 10,000 psi. Something several times stronger could degrade performance a lot more. I asked Rex Swenson,
Public Affairs Liaison of the Air Force Research Laboratory’s Munition Directorate, about this. He answered:

Unfortunately, we can not discuss the actual capabilities of the MOP due to security concerns. Suffice to say that the numbers on the Global Security website were not provided by DTRA [Defense Threat Reduction Agency] or the AFRL/MN.
The bottom line is that any highly reinforced target might withstand one strike from a MOP, but even a bunker roof made of 60,000 psi concrete can be chipped away at until it finally fails to protect what’s underneath.
​

Personally,
I’d guess that advanced concrete could severely limit the effectiveness of the blunt instrument/brute force approach embodied by MOP. You really don’t want to be dropping bombs at intervals against the same spot, especially when an aircraft can only carry one.
The answer has to lie in smarter weapons with more advanced payloads. The Air Force is looking at more sophisticated ways to defeat a bunker complex – earthquake bombs and robot cockroaches being among the more extreme. Beating your head against an ultra-hard concrete wall may not be the answer.

Iraniyon ki qabliyat main koi shak nahi, unki tareef to Rasool - e - pak (s.a.w.) nay bhi ki kay woh ilm chaand taaron say bhi lay ker aajain agar nuhbat paray to

Laikin iss post main aapnay andaaza nahi lagaya kay kiss had tak waaqif hai, Iran ka hareef uski technology say aur jo cheez maine surkh huroof main wazhay ki hai, bata ti hai kay woh uska bhi ilaaj nikaalnay kay liye tayyar hain

to yeh koi khush-aaind baat nahi, haan laikin technology ki tarraqi ki wajah say aap khush hain aur hum bhi unki qabliyat ko daad daytay hain

 

[muntazir]

online jihadion koo itni kia jaldi hai yeh war to honi hii honi hai per iss ka waqt hareef deciede karen gai naake online jihadi joo key paid by Aale saud hain.

 

[gotti]

online jihadion koo itni kia jaldi hai yeh war to honi hii honi hai per iss ka waqt hareef deciede karen gai naake online jihadi joo key paid by Aale saud hain.

umeed hai kay iss bakwaas ka hadaf main nahi warna phir aapko bhi pata hai kay kitni mushkilaat ka saamna kerna parta hai iss site kay mods ko (bigsmile)

 

[aj_157]

bori walon k supporter ab iran ki tareef karny lagy. (hmm)
kahan irani kahan bori waly batha khor
ALLAH KHAIR HI KARY

 

[muntazir]

umeed hai kay iss bakwaas ka hadaf main nahi warna phir aapko bhi pata hai kay kitni mushkilaat ka saamna kerna parta hai iss site kay mods ko (bigsmile)

ooey insan ban toon cheez kia hai aur main pehley hii kehchuka hoon key tumarey moon naheen lagna chahta aur woh sirf iss ley key tum jaisey koo qail kerna joo kisi daleel koo naah manen namumkin hai iss ley kisi khushfehmi main math rehna aur kia main ney tum koo quote kia hai? tum kai dafaa loogoon koo muft mashwarey detey hoo mugh sai ulaghney key kia main ney uss ka jawab dia? agar naheen too apni kaam jaari rakho merey saath ulghey baghair kia main tum koo online jihadi samaghta hoon? qataan naheen.

 

[gotti]

ooey insan ban toon cheez kia hai aur main pehley hii kehchuka hoon key tumarey moon naheen lagna chahta aur woh sirf iss ley key tum jaisey koo qail kerna joo kisi daleel koo naah manen namumkin hai iss ley kisi khushfehmi main math rehna aur kia main ney tum koo quote kia hai? tum kai dafaa loogoon koo muft mashwarey detey hoo mugh sai ulaghney key kia main ney uss ka jawab dia? agar naheen too apni kaam jaari rakho merey saath ulghey baghair kia main tum koo online jihadi samaghta hoon? qataan naheen.

kia main tum koo online jihadi samaghta hoon? qataan naheen.

itna hi keh daytay, itni lambi taqreer ki kiya zarurat thi :P

 

[WatanDost]

Yahoudi kabhi apnay MAA JAI, "Iranioon" per Hamla nahi karain gai.

 

[muntazir]

Yahoudi kabhi apnay MAA JAI, "Iranioon" per Hamla nahi karain gai.

BiLkul naheen karen gai kion key doonon ka God father aik hai Aale yahood Aale saud aik hi hain.

 

[helan007]

There are a lot of replies, I got confused that what should i say.
I have nothing to give any suggestion.
I think, I would try to something new.

 

[Imranpak]

USA knows that if it supports Israel against Iran then the latter will openly attack American interests in the Gulf. An already stretched and tired army the American's can't afford taking on Iran whose military is much more powerful then any Arab one.

Iran-USA conflict will also drag in Russia and China who have their interests in Iran.

 

[such bolo]

Freindly opposition
Almost every one knows now
taqayyah wont work for iranis​