Four different party Govt's are running the country at different directions, Pakistan needs presidential system

Shareef Insaan

Councller (250+ posts)
Pti Federal, Pti Punjab, Pti Kpk, Bap Balochistan, Pmln Galgit- Ajk, Ppp Sindh.
Every party at province level is doing different, different directions, pakistan needs central controlled system or presidential system under Good Honest leadership of Prime Minister Imran Khan and Judicary, Nab,, education, Police all needs to be under the prime minister. So he can hold them accountable. The current system province cant do anything without federal and federal cant do anything without province. One party is different direction and the other party different direction. 18th amendments is rubbish should be abolished.
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Reason

Minister (2k+ posts)
Establishment touts out in full swing. P0T! has government in 2 provinces, Unke kaunse halaat behter hein.
 

Vitamin_C

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
In the long-run presidential system is a terrible idea and divide the nation. Smaller Provinces already complaining about Punjab's influence in politics, now establishment wants to take away their remaining autonomy.

Its better to invest in education so people do not vote for parties like PPP than to cut people of completely an force your will on them.

Even I complain about flaws of democracy and problem with an uneducated electorate, that problem is very evident in US. Centralizing power always makes things worse in the long run.

Pakistan is not a single country is a federation of 4-5 different countries with different languages, most of them joined Pakistan with the understanding that they will retain their assemblies and autonomy.

Iskandar Mirza dealt the first blow with his martial law and one unit stupidity. A martial law that lasted until Pakistan split in half. The Bengali general himself was responsible for separate of East Pakistan and insurgency in Sindh and Balochistan, destruction of democracy and halt of industrialization.


Establishment touts out in full swing. P0T! has government in 2 provinces, Unke kaunse halaat behter hein.
 

Pakistani1947

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
It is evident that Imran Khan is not succeeding and the corrupt politicians remain at large. The present system of parliamentary democracy is fundamentally flawed. For examples, pre-arrest bails granted to former Punjab chief minister Shehbaz Sharif and his son Hamza Shehbaz by the Lahore High Court, a day before the two were indicted by an accountability court in a corruption case; courts allowed a convicted ex PM NS escape to UK; etc. Now JTK issue....

Islamic presidential form of government is the only option left for Imran Khan.

In current scenario, where there is ample chance that PTI will lose its simple majority in Parliament after conviction of Jahangeer Tareen Khan and Monis Elahi. Imran Khan will have to decide whether he will allow to keep these thugs black mail him or impose emergency and announce referendum. In the mean time, by speedy courts, whoever is convicted using political power to accumulate wealth should be hanged in Public. That should include the judges, Journalist, Military and bureaucrats.

Imran Khan should Nationalize all agricultural land in possession of Waderas anything more than 100 acres. While government keeping the ownership of the Land, distribute this land to farmers as partnership with Government and charge 30% of the sale of the harvest (فصل). In worst case scenario Pakistan will have less politicians, judges, Journalist, Military man to cut its roots.

Otherwise, these thugs will again come into power and make Laws in favor of there criminal activities and keep on sucking the blood of ordinary Pakistanis and ultimately cut the roots of Pakistan so much so that making foreign powers control or even take over Pakistan (May Allah Forbid - Aameen). and Pakistanis will not be able to see a brave leader Like Imran Khan in next 50 years.
 

shujauddin

Minister (2k+ posts)
In the long-run presidential system is a terrible idea and divide the nation. Smaller Provinces already complaining about Punjab's influence in politics, now establishment wants to take away their remaining autonomy.

Its better to invest in education so people do not vote for parties like PPP than to cut people of completely an force your will on them.

Even I complain about flaws of democracy and problem with an uneducated electorate, that problem is very evident in US. Centralizing power always makes things worse in the long run.

Pakistan is not a single country is a federation of 4-5 different countries with different languages, most of them joined Pakistan with the understanding that they will retain their assemblies and autonomy.

Iskandar Mirza dealt the first blow with his martial law and one unit stupidity. A martial law that lasted until Pakistan split in half. The Bengali general himself was responsible for separate of East Pakistan and insurgency in Sindh and Balochistan, destruction of democracy and halt of industrialization.
Get ready to be barked upon and called a traitor!
 

Shareef Insaan

Councller (250+ posts)
In the long-run presidential system is a terrible idea and divide the nation. Smaller Provinces already complaining about Punjab's influence in politics, now establishment wants to take away their remaining autonomy.

Its better to invest in education so people do not vote for parties like PPP than to cut people of completely an force your will on them.

Even I complain about flaws of democracy and problem with an uneducated electorate, that problem is very evident in US. Centralizing power always makes things worse in the long run.

Pakistan is not a single country is a federation of 4-5 different countries with different languages, most of them joined Pakistan with the understanding that they will retain their assemblies and autonomy.

Iskandar Mirza dealt the first blow with his martial law and one unit stupidity. A martial law that lasted until Pakistan split in half. The Bengali general himself was responsible for separate of East Pakistan and insurgency in Sindh and Balochistan, destruction of democracy and halt of industrialization.
China has presidential system its working lovely, one person needs to be in-charge long as hes honest and sincere. The current system is rubbish ppp dont want to listen to pti federal. Education system is under ppp sindh and they dont want education for there people in sindh because they want to control them. So i don't agree with you.
 

Galaxy

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Presidential system is good system provided ,nation speaks one language and is educated to some degree. The biggest division in any country is language. look at Canada ,the french is always a problem for the English. Same thing in some EU countries but we dont see this because their media doesn't high light and is not payed by their out side masters like our.
 

Galaxy

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
I worked with few Lithuanians and I asked them why did they separate from Russia since they were better off with Russia then they are now. All said because of language.Even though they spoke Russian fluently since it was the official language but their mother thong is not Russian.
 

Citizen X

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In the long-run presidential system is a terrible idea and divide the nation. Smaller Provinces already complaining about Punjab's influence in politics, now establishment wants to take away their remaining autonomy.

Its better to invest in education so people do not vote for parties like PPP than to cut people of completely an force your will on them.

Even I complain about flaws of democracy and problem with an uneducated electorate, that problem is very evident in US. Centralizing power always makes things worse in the long run.

Pakistan is not a single country is a federation of 4-5 different countries with different languages, most of them joined Pakistan with the understanding that they will retain their assemblies and autonomy.

Iskandar Mirza dealt the first blow with his martial law and one unit stupidity. A martial law that lasted until Pakistan split in half. The Bengali general himself was responsible for separate of East Pakistan and insurgency in Sindh and Balochistan, destruction of democracy and halt of industrialization.
Both systems have their pros and cons but I feel Presidential is more suitable for a country like Pakistan.

Presidential doesn't mean centeralizing power at all. Like example you gave of the US. Each state is different. Some are red some are blue and each have their own laws and regulations
 

Vitamin_C

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
True each state has a level of autonomy, I gave US as an example of a democracy with a poor education system. That's why they churn out leads like Donald Trump and George Bush.

Both systems have their pros and cons but I feel Presidential is more suitable for a country like Pakistan.

Presidential doesn't mean centeralizing power at all. Like example you gave of the US. Each state is different. Some are red some are blue and each have their own laws and regulations
 

Vitamin_C

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
I lost it at mother's thong LOL

I worked with few Lithuanians and I asked them why did they separate from Russia since they were better off with Russia then they are now. All said because of language.Even though they spoke Russian fluently since it was the official language but their mother thong is not Russian.
 

Vitamin_C

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Its good until a certain point, after that it restricts further growth. China has to change its system if it wants to grow to level of other Asian tigers such as South Korea, Japan, Singapore and Taiwain.

If you have a poor country with a strong and honest dictatorship like Singapore did, then it can work but only until a certain point after which they have to give power back to people.

The catch is a strong, capable, honest and competent dictatorship. These are very hard to find and majority of dictatorships you see in the world are the opposite.

IMO best thing Pakistan can do is let democracy to continue and develop. Make heavy investment in secondary education so we have a large skilled labor force qualified to fuel our industrialization.

A strong universal secondary education system for both boys and girls will not only strengthen democracy, it is also essential for industrialization. We can take our workers from making an average of a meager $1,600 per year to $5000-$10,000 per year.


China has presidential system its working lovely, one person needs to be in-charge long as hes honest and sincere. The current system is rubbish ppp dont want to listen to pti federal. Education system is under ppp sindh and they dont want education for there people in sindh because they want to control them. So i don't agree with you.