Finally the admission by the Indian Air Force that it was outgunned by Pakistani Air Force!

Hunain Khalid

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
https://twitter.com/x/status/1133329864453513217
NEW DELHI:

In two years from now, the Indian Air Force's frontline Sukhoi-30 fighters may be re-armed with Israeli Derby air-to-air missiles after the jet's Russian-made R-77 missiles were found wanting in air combat operations over the Line of Control on February 27 this year.

Sources in the Indian Air Force told NDTV, "We already have the missile as part of the SPYDER (Surface-to-Air Missile) system. Integration (with the IAF's Su-30s) is the next step.''

Retaliating to the IAF strike on the Jaish-e-Mohammed training facility in Balakot on February 26, the Pakistan Air Force aggressively positioned a large formation of 24 fighters near the Line of Control (LoC). A handful of these jets managed to cross the LoC to fire precision-guided glide bombs towards Indian military positions in the Rajouri sector.

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Eight Indian Air Force fighters, including two Sukhoi-30 MKI jets, were vectored to intercept the Pakistani formation when they detected the launch of several US-made AIM-120 C5 Advanced Medium Range Air-to-Air Missiles (AMRAAM) in their direction.

''The PAF surprised the IAF by launching air-to-air missiles from inside Pakistan-occupied Kashmir," says Sameer Joshi, a Kargil veteran. ''The AMRAAM effectively outranged the IAF air-to-air missiles which did not get a command to launch," he said.

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Among the Indian Air Force's fighters which were targeted were two Sukhoi-30s which managed to evade the AMRAAMs which were fired at close to their maximum range of 100 kilometres. Fully defensive and desperate to escape the incoming AMRAAMs, the IAF Sukhoi-30s escaped being shot down but were unable to retaliate the F-16s because they were out of position and their own missiles, the Russian R-77s, did not have the range to realistically engage the Pakistani fighters. IAF sources told NDTV that the Russian missiles do not match its advertised range and cannot engage targets which are more than 80 kilometres away.

To meet its requirements, the IAF is looking at the I-Derby variant of the Israeli missile which was unveiled at the Paris Air Show in 2015. Integrating the missile into the Russian fighter will be a challenge and, according to sources, will require Israeli expertise, particularly in developing a data-link between the Sukhoi-30 and the missile, once it is fired.A fighter jet communicates with the missile through the data link and passes on updated vectors (location) of the fighter which has been targeted.

The Indian Navy was the first to integrate an older variant of the Derby missile with its now-retired fleet of Sea Harrier fighters. The missile is also the primary air-to-air weapon of the indigenous Tejas fighter which has entered service with the Indian Air Force. The Derby is also a component of the IAF's SPYDER surface-to-air missile batteries, and are considered several generations ahead of the legacy Russian systems which it has replaced.

However, the I-Derby missile, now being looked at, is a considerably more advanced that the missiles presently in service. An article in Aviation Week says, ''The new (missile) seeker is lighter and more compact than its predecessor, thus clearing valuable space which has been used by the missile designers to increase the propulsion system. This new addition increases the range of the I-Derby ER beyond 100 km., significantly more than its current "short/medium" range capability.''

The I-Derby isn't the only missile the air force is looking at to modernise its Sukhoi-30 fleet. The European MBDA manufactured Advanced Short Range Air-to-Air Missile (ASRAAM), the first of which were acquired for the air force's Jaguar fleet in 2014 as part of a 250 million pound deal, has been tested in wind tunnels on models of the Su-30 by the National Aerospace Laboratories in Bengaluru.

Once fully integrated, it will replace the R-73 short range air-to-air missile presently in use on the Sukhoi-30 fleet.

Simultaneously, the IAF is evaluating the indigenous Astra air-to-air missile for the Sukhoi-30. IAF sources told NDTV, ''The Astra is in development. We have ordered fifty (missiles) of the limited series production.'' Ultimately, though, the air force wants an extended-range variant of the missile. ''It will take ten years to get the Astra Mk2 in our inventory," say sources, a reason why integration of the I-Derby is being seen as a priority.

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Wake Up Pakistan

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
CHADDDIS KAY VOTE WASTE HOU GAYAI

BAICHAROO NAY SAMJHA THAA MODI TERRORIST AIK HERO HAI AUR PAKISTAN KO SABAQ SIKHA DIA HAI

MODI GONNA BE BILLIONAIRE SOON
 

asifA1

Minister (2k+ posts)
I am hearing from Air Forces personal discussions even with latest Isrehell technology the Indian air force is sitting duck,
#1 coz the missiles used in destroying SU-30 aircraft were Amraams old F-16 technology.
#2 Pak Air force yet to test newly acquired PL-15 long range air to air missiles ..so these are x3 more deadly so to speak.
#3 IAF is logistically behind technology in hardware to weapons deployment for another 2 years.
 

MSUMAIRZ

MPA (400+ posts)
I have been looking at reports regarding Indian Military spending and the shortcomings in their asset procurement and deployment. One thing is very clear. Indian hardware is outdated but out numbers Pakistan. Their military is large but malnourished. Their defense deals are large but ridden with corruption at every stage. Since Modi has come to power this rate has climbed UP (Rate of Corruption that is) I am of the opinion in any given conflict with Pakistan, India will call us on a Bluff on their part and we will fall into a trap of Using our Nuclear option. We can destroy India but we will also perish in this conflict.
 

Ratan

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
If Pilots drink Gomutra & eat Gobar, what can you expect from them? Indian army is an army which is hungry & suicide-prone.

RSS made it mandatory for soldiers to eat & drink cow waste because they thought it stimulates the vitality.

Corruption in Indian defense is more than Nawaz+Zardari combined.


Generals are known for stealing the rations of foot soldiers & selling it in the black market. There are numerous complains in online videos from Indian soldiers.
Even Indian PMs are involved in scandals like Bofors, Rafael ect...etc.
 
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Raja Farooq

Senator (1k+ posts)
Aap sab aik baat ignore krr rhy hoo dushman k muqabla hamesha jazbay sy kia jata hyy jazba e shahdat mery Allah ny saway muslman ky kisy oor ko atta ny kya u can spend billions on technology but who will use pilots with no jazba and emotions let them try again
 

Dawood Magsi

Minister (2k+ posts)
Baniya Poora Israel aor Amreeka bhi uthha kar ley aaey tabb bhi jang nain kar sakta, aggar kar sakta to 1300 saal ghulaam kyun rehta, abhi tak Baniye ka Daaoo lagga hoaa hair Chaploosi Makkaari Jhoot Fraud aor propaganday ki waja sey
 

kakamuna420

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Before 2 years, India will get bankrupt. Their financial condition is at its worst.
They have a monthly deficit of 15 billion usd. Their remittance per month is around 6bn. Still a gap of 6-7 bn per month. They are taking loans like crazy.
 

Nebula

Minister (2k+ posts)
Allah aur uus kai Habib Kaa bhouth Karam hai Pak per....Pak poori Tarah Tayar Hai. Jang hoo Yaa Amaan. Yeh faisla USA/Modi kaa Faislaa Hai. China kai sath chalnaa humarii majboori buna dii hai India nay....Abhi joo Pak mai AAG lagaa rakhii hai..Iss kaa jawab zaroor diyaa jaigaa...Kooshish poori hai Mamlaa Baat cheeth sai solve hoo Jai Per Afghanistan mai abhii India nay aur khoon bhana hai....
 

Taimur.javed

Senator (1k+ posts)
IAF is learning and improving itself, we should learn as well and improve ourselves because IAF will not make same mistakes again. The concerning point is, they have entire world's arms market available to purchase hardware & they can afford it too while we are only limited to whatever china gives us. Once S-400 is in service, the qualitative advantage to IAF would increase exponentially as that would pin back our AWACS thus our range of visibility of IAF movements would decrease significantly. We won't know what is coming our way.
 

kakamana

Minister (2k+ posts)
u will not find tht bhai mardood, qalander, fat amigo type indian sluts on this thread, unki tu waise hi sulag jati ha aesa thread per. han bas fouj per jitna bhonkwana hain wo unse karwa lo...lekin haddi zaroo dalna warna wo bone grabber kaise banain gae
 

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