Few Questions from Pakistani Democracy lovers...

FaisalKh

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
سب سے پہلے اگر کسی کو لگا ہو کہ میں نے پاکستانی جمہوریت کی شان میں گستاخی کی یا جمہوریت ڈی ریل کرنے کی کوشش کر رہا ہوں یا مارشل لا کو آواز دے رہا ہو تو انسے پیشگی معذرت


میرا ان لوگوں سے سوال ہے جو کہتے ہیں کہ فوج کو سیاست میں دخل نہیں دینا چاہیے تو آخر کیوں؟ اسکی وجہ کیا ہے؟ جب ہمارے جرنیلوں کے بارے میں کہا جاتا ہے کہ وہ امریکہ کی مرضی سے بنتے ہیں جیسا کہ جنرل ہارون اسلم کو اس لئے آرمی چیف نہیں بنایا گیا کہ وہ امریکہ اور نواز شریف کے ذاتی مفاد میں نہیں تھا تو پھر سیاستدان جو قانون سازی کرتے ہیں کیا اس سے پاکستان کی بقا خطرے میں نہیں پڑتی؟ مثال کے طور پر پچھلے مہینوں ایک خبر گردش کر رہی تھی کہ حکومت پاکستان آئ ایس آئ کو اپنے زیر کنٹرول لانا چاہ رہی تھی جو فوج کے سخت موقف اپنانے پر نہ ہو سکا تو کیا ایسے اقدام پاکستان اور پاکستانی فوج کے لئے خطرناک نہیں؟ اور اگر پاکستانی فوج کو ایسے اقدامات سے نقصان ہوتا ہو تو کیا فوج حق بجانب نہیں کہ وہ اسکے خلاف ایکشن لے؟ تو اگر فوج ایکشن لے تو فوج کیوں قصور وار ٹہرے؟ ریمنڈ ڈیوس جیسے ایجنٹ پاکستانی حکومت کی آشیرباد سے یہاں آکر پاکستان کے خلاف کاروائیاں کرتے ہیں جن میں سے اکثر فوج بھی نشانہ بنتی ہے تو کیا فوج کو ایسے فیصلے کرنے والے کے خلاف کوئی قدم اٹھانے پر لوگ کیوں فوج کو تنقید کا نشانہ بناتے ہیں؟


اگر وزیر اعظم صاحب نے فوج سے ثالث کا کردار ادا کرنے کی درخواست کی اور پھر عمران خان اور قادری صاحب آرمی چیف سے ملاقات کرنے گئے تو آخر اس میں ایسی کیا برائی تھی کہ لوگ سب چھوڑ چھاڑ کر عمران خان کے پیچھے پڑ گئے کہ ایک کال پر ملاقات کرنے چلا گیا؟ آخر اس میں برائی کیا ہے؟ عمران خان کی صرف ایک تصویر جس میں وہ ہنس رہا ہے (یہ بھی نہیں پتا کہ کس بات پر) اس کو لیکر اپنے پراے کیوں یہ که رہے ہیں کہ عمران خان جمہوریت کو ڈی ریل کر رہا ہے اور فوج کو دعوت دے رہا ہے؟


اور آخر میں جب جنگ سے لیکر قدرتی آفات میں بھی فوج ہی کردار ادا کرتی ہے اور سیاستدان صرف تصویری مقابلہ کرتے ہیں تو پھر فوج کے ملکی معاملات میں کردار ادا کرنے پر لوگوں کو اعتراض کیوں ہے؟ جب لوگوں کو پاکستانی عدالتوں سے انصاف نہیں ملتا تو آخر وہ فوج کے علاوہ پھر کس کی طرف دیکھیں
?انصاف کے لئے


 
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Awan-1

Minister (2k+ posts)
Fassadi and Mulk Dushman Jo Pakistan key Economic progress ko Rokna Chahtay hain. Remember Zulfikar Ali Bhoto Shaheed nay Islami Conference call ke thee aur pher ous per Murder ka case bana ker ous ko hang ker dia. Kia Zulam houa. Army is running all the business in Pakistan. NLC(National Logestic Corporation), Defense Housing scheme (Property Business), Fuji Fertilizer , Fuji Cement, Agriculture, Marriage Halls, Askari Bank, etc, etc. Jab bhe Pakistan main koie kaam kerna chahta hay then es Mafia ko bari taqleef hoti hay. Sab dramay kay pechay yeh log hain
 

FaisalKh

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Fassadi and Mulk Dushman Jo Pakistan key Economic progress ko Rokna Chahtay hain. Remember Zulfikar Ali Bhoto Shaheed nay Islami Conference call ke thee aur pher ous per Murder ka case bana ker ous ko hang ker dia. Kia Zulam houa. Army is running all the business in Pakistan. NLC(National Logestic Corporation), Defense Housing scheme (Property Business), Fuji Fertilizer , Fuji Cement, Agriculture, Marriage Halls, Askari Bank, etc, etc. Jab bhe Pakistan main koie kaam kerna chahta hay then es Mafia ko bari taqleef hoti hay. Sab dramay kay pechay yeh log hain

Bhaai sahab koi proof bhi hai ya wese hi hawaaai baaton se dil behlana hai?
 

rtabasum2

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Let there be first fight between Punjab Police n Protestors if thing heat up than Army can step in trying to pacify things. If there is no violence than ARMY is not welcome to do anything they shud concentrate in protecting borders n let politician decide among themselves.
 

farooq22

Minister (2k+ posts)
Pack of lies and usual allegation on the Prime Minister.

If it would have been true, COAS/Army would have been extremely irritated and situation would have been much different.

Federal Government asked Army to facilitate under Article 245. As both were on extreme violence as per Pasha London Conspiracy (May 2014) plan. NS was not expecting both will break their commitment/promise, will move to RED ZONE and later attack Parliament, PM House and PTV. Pasha Party and Gullu Qadri Firqa turned to violence was shock to all. Both were maligning Army as Umpire, so it was suitable option.

Both went to happily as they have won lottery or have met lost brother in Mela. No commitment was even made by COAS, both again maligning Army/telling lies. As per Army circles U Turn Khan was convoyed to keep calm in polite manner (1 hour 15 minutes meeting) and Gullu Qadri was told in harsh manner (just 31 minutes meeting).

Paid channels and Media cells of Pasha Party ARY, SAMA and DUNYA created fabricated stories. As did during meeting between Prime Minister and COAS, met with extreme embarrassment.

Army is being disgraced by Pasha Party and Gullu Qadri as both are linked with Hizb u Tehrir even. All are aware of Hizb u Tuhrir agenda.

Stop weeping as "WOH" has kicked both on hips. Better come to reality.

As per Quiad e Azam a mob has no room in Pakistan.






 

FaisalKh

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Pack of lies and usual allegation on the Prime Minister.

If it would have been true, COAS/Army would have been extremely irritated and situation would have been much different.

Federal Government asked Army to facilitate under Article 245. As both were on extreme violence as per Pasha London Conspiracy (May 2014) plan. NS was not expecting both will break their commitment/promise, will move to RED ZONE and later attack Parliament, PM House and PTV. Pasha Party and Gullu Qadri Firqa turned to violence was shock to all. Both were maligning Army as Umpire, so it was suitable option.

Both went to happily as they have won lottery or have met lost brother in Mela. No commitment was even made by COAS, both again maligning Army/telling lies. As per Army circles U Turn Khan was convoyed to keep calm in polite manner (1 hour 15 minutes meeting) and Gullu Qadri was told in harsh manner (just 31 minutes meeting).

Paid channels and Media cells of Pasha Party ARY, SAMA and DUNYA created fabricated stories. As did during meeting between Prime Minister and COAS, met with extreme embarrassment.

Army is being disgraced by Pasha Party and Gullu Qadri as both are linked with Hizb u Tehrir even. All are aware of Hizb u Tuhrir agenda.

Stop weeping as "WOH" has kicked both on hips. Better come to reality.

As per Quiad e Azam a mob has no room in Pakistan.


Once Patwari always a Patwari... read article 245 first and then comment on it...
 

FaisalKh

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Let there be first fight between Punjab Police n Protestors if thing heat up than Army can step in trying to pacify things. If there is no violence than ARMY is not welcome to do anything they shud concentrate in protecting borders n let politician decide among themselves.

So I have a question here, If Punjab police is playing the role of personal servant of sharif maafia rather than protecting and siding with the tax payers then what should Army do and if Army sides with protesters and takes action against the oppressors then how come Army should be criticized or be blamed for derailing democracy? Why oppressors come out clean and innocent knowing the fact that they are the one responsible for the situation?
 

CanPak2

Minister (2k+ posts)
It is as simple as 2 plus 2. Generals are government meaning public servants. They recieve pay and perks from public taxes. If theyvwant to do politics or become leader they can resign, and start politics after 2 years.

I respect and keep service men, army or police, in high regard, as long as they are serving with in constitutional limits and dutifully perform the tasks they are trained and paid for which is to guard the nation against outside and inside threats.

the moment, i see them mingling in politics, running commercial businesses and creating and protecting talibans, i have no respect for them as they become one of the many mafias. And they do this with the money, our poor people pay through some direct and lot of indirect taxes. We can insult politicians, we can kick them out every 5 years. We can question them. But go and try this accountability mode at them, that what are you guys doing for last 35 years is totally ridiculous, and you will become one of the statistical number in Gumshada afrad list.

that is why we say worst form of democracy is better than best of dictatorship and people showed that by not responding to ***** khan and padri long march call.

Top generals are also aware of people sentiments and did not dare to take over.
 

rtabasum2

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
So I have a question here, If Punjab police is playing the role of personal servant of sharif maafia rather than protecting and siding with the tax payers then what should Army do and if Army sides with protesters and takes action against the oppressors then how come Army should be criticized or be blamed for derailing democracy? Why oppressors come out clean and innocent knowing the fact that they are the one responsible for the situation?
You hv to stand for ur rights if u cannot fight for it why should Army spoon fed it to u. 2 lakh people for three days in Islamabad n people will start noticing but if out of 20 crore only thirty or 60 thousands show n rest stay n watch on TV than let them enjoy this democracy they deserve NS caz they hv a platform now n still they don't want to end it than it is no one fault. Rest Army shud stay out of politics n do their job no compromise on that if Law n Order situation goes out of hand n Police cannot handle than only they shud step in or better still they shud launch a political party named SAJEELAY JAWANo n participate in next election
 

CanPak2

Minister (2k+ posts)
So I have a question here, If Punjab police is playing the role of personal servant of sharif maafia rather than protecting and siding with the tax payers then what should Army do and if Army sides with protesters and takes action against the oppressors then how come Army should be criticized or be blamed for derailing democracy? Why oppressors come out clean and innocent knowing the fact that they are the one responsible for the situation?

Army should stand behind government, no matter what. The people have the only right to kick them out through election process. The moment army says it is not siding with any side, it is actually siding with anarchists.
 

rtabasum2

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
It is as simple as 2 plus 2. Generals are government meaning public servants. They recieve pay and perks from public taxes. If theyvwant to do politics or become leader they can resign, and start politics after 2 years.

I respect and keep service men, army or police, in high regard, as long as they are serving with in constitutional limits and dutifully perform the tasks they are trained and paid for which is to guard the nation against outside and inside threats.

the moment, i see them mingling in politics, running commercial businesses and creating and protecting talibans, i have no respect for them as they become one of the many mafias. And they do this with the money, our poor people pay through some direct and lot of indirect taxes. We can insult politicians, we can kick them out every 5 years. We can question them. But go and try this accountability mode at them, that what are you guys doing for last 35 years is totally ridiculous, and you will become one of the statistical number in Gumshada afrad list.

that is why we say worst form of democracy is better than best of dictatorship and people showed that by not responding to ***** khan and padri long march call.

Top generals are also aware of people sentiments and did not dare to take over.


Stop living in fool's paradise where were the top Generals when they took over three times before did not they care before abt people sentiment wt is so special abt these Gen than the previous ones.. It is never Musharaaf or Zia or Ayub the whole GHQ or the so called top Gen backs them when they take over they r the puppeteers whenever they feel like they will take over n they give a toss abt people sentiment
 

rtabasum2

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Army should stand behind government, no matter what. The people have the only right to kick them out through election process. The moment army says it is not siding with any side, it is actually siding with anarchists.

Army shud side with Govt, Judicary shud Side with Govt, police shud side with Govt, anybody who protests shud be killed all this seems familiar but I think Adlof Hitler died a while ago n Nazism is a dying fad as well
 

FaisalKh

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
You hv to stand for ur rights if u cannot fight for it why should Army spoon fed it to u. 2 lakh people for three days in Islamabad n people will start noticing but if out of 20 crore only thirty or 60 thousands show n rest stay n watch on TV than let them enjoy this democracy they deserve NS caz they hv a platform now n still they don't want to end it than it is no one fault. Rest Army shud stay out of politics n do their job no compromise on that if Law n Order situation goes out of hand n Police cannot handle than only they shud step in or better still they shud launch a political party named SAJEELAY JAWANo n participate in next election

But what is the reason for Army be the spectators and only step in when there is no other way? Why they should come to clean the mess and not act at the time someone is creating the mess? and if u have threats from internal enemies (like traitor politicians who could pass a bill to harm Army's and national interests i.e abandoning Pak's Nuke program) then what should Army do at that time?

I heard our PM Shareef sahib saying that WHEN INDIA BOUGHT TANKS THEN PAKISTAN ALSO BOUGHT TANKS which i take it as PM sahib was trying to say that even if india bought tanks then Pakistan should not have gone for the decision to buy tanks... How do u look at it?
 

CanPak2

Minister (2k+ posts)
Stop living in fool's paradise where were the top Generals when they took over three times before did not they care before abt people sentiment wt is so special abt these Gen than the previous ones.. It is never Musharaaf or Zia or Ayub the whole GHQ or the so called top Gen backs them when they take over they r the puppeteers whenever they feel like they will take over n they give a toss abt people sentiment

Not this time. People will resist take over, if not in punjab, definitely in sindh and balochistan. The take over will cause civil war, and oppurtunity for world powers to take posession of nukes.
 

FaisalKh

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Army should stand behind government, no matter what. The people have the only right to kick them out through election process. The moment army says it is not siding with any side, it is actually siding with anarchists.

Even if govt is wrong? why should Army listen to the govt when govt is not listening to the people and acting like a dictator? If govt is following the path of destruction then Army has every right to stop them. At the end politicians pack their bags and go on vacations along with their families for few years and it is the Army who clean the mess...

I ask u too about ur opinion when PM Shareef sahib was saying that WHEN INDIA BOUGHT TANKS THEN PAKISTAN ALSO BOUGHT TANKS which i take it as PM sahib was trying to say that even if india bought tanks then Pakistan should not have gone for the decision to buy tanks... How do u look at it? After all it is the Army who is going to protect and fight for the country not politicians so why would Army go and sacrifice their lives when they are not fully equipped? If tomorrow our PM passes such bill in parliament which can harm Army and interests of Pakistan then why should Army stand behind govt?
 

rtabasum2

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Not this time. People will resist take over, if not in punjab, definitely in sindh and balochistan. The take over will cause civil war, and oppurtunity for world powers to take posession of nukes.

R U joking aik truck ki maar nahi hain when they come not a single person will come out, Akhwan spent 60 yrs educating people n Sissi destroyed them in two days. Nobody showed up for Bhutto n NS is not even half the man of the calibre n popularity of Bhutto, stop dreaming. Army has got control all over Pakistan FATA is under their control n Baulishtan can be controlled by half a battalion, MQM will side with Army n rural Sind will be controlled by Pagaro n co . Mate if they want to take over nobody can stop them whether PTI or the rest , the only thiing they care abt is their dosh for them Martial law might mean sanctions which they don't want
 

FaisalKh

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
You hv to stand for ur rights if u cannot fight for it why should Army spoon fed it to u. 2 lakh people for three days in Islamabad n people will start noticing but if out of 20 crore only thirty or 60 thousands show n rest stay n watch on TV than let them enjoy this democracy they deserve NS caz they hv a platform now n still they don't want to end it than it is no one fault. Rest Army shud stay out of politics n do their job no compromise on that if Law n Order situation goes out of hand n Police cannot handle than only they shud step in or better still they shud launch a political party named SAJEELAY JAWANo n participate in next election

Army is the public servant and they are there to protect the nation and they get paid by the tax payers money. If weak in Pakistan are oppressed by rich people then what is the harm to ask Army after all they are the ones called in every crisis?
 

rtabasum2

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
But what is the reason for Army be the spectators and only step in when there is no other way? Why they should come to clean the mess and not act at the time someone is creating the mess? and if u have threats from internal enemies (like traitor politicians who could pass a bill to harm Army's and national interests i.e abandoning Pak's Nuke program) then what should Army do at that time?

I heard our PM Shareef sahib saying that WHEN INDIA BOUGHT TANKS THEN PAKISTAN ALSO BOUGHT TANKS which i take it as PM sahib was trying to say that even if india bought tanks then Pakistan should not have gone for the decision to buy tanks... How do u look at it?

Let the PM name n shame Army why do u care or support Army they r big boys whenever they want they will slap the little boys n tell them to behave but as democrat lets us just support wt is right n that is ARMY has no role in politics, they shud do there job that is protecting the borders n thats it
 

rtabasum2

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Army is the public servant and they are there to protect the nation and they get paid by the tax payers money. If weak in Pakistan are oppressed by rich people then what is the harm to ask Army after all they are the ones called in every crisis?

U give them an inch they will take a yard, C'mon u know half of the ills r made up caz of Army n them lot running the FP u don't give Cat milk to guard.
 

FaisalKh

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Let the PM name n shame Army why do u care or support Army they r big boys whenever they want they will slap the little boys n tell them to behave but as democrat lets us just support wt is right n that is ARMY has no role in politics, they shud do there job that is protecting the borders n thats it

Are you serious about the bold one that we are democratic people? If yes then why Democracy is a curse and people and Pakistan flourish under Army rule? Why every organization becomes honest under Army rule and under civilian govt they act like opportunists? I am claiming all this because i m witness to all this in one of the govt organization and considering my experience and nature of Pakistanis I think almost all of the institutions are same...

Army has the job to protect the borders then why do u call Army when country is hit by natural disasters? My opinion about Army's role is to protect the borders and people FROM BOTH EXTERNAL AND INTERNAL THREATS and that does not exclude traitors and politicians...
 
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