F-16 Pakistan spent Billions & decades to get,used for Target practise by US

zhohaq

Minister (2k+ posts)
Pakistan Military planners are obsessed with F-16.
For our War planners since 80's getting f-16 has been top priority.
This has given America alot of leverage on our Military.
In Wikieaks documents Americans are clear that F-16 programme will not alter balance with India in any way.
They also made sure that the packages included have encryption, back doors so Pakistan can never use it in a unauthorsed way. Also contract stipulates Pakistan is locked in for upgrades maintenances, spot inspections by American service members.

See 1. http://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthre...ey-Wikileaks&p=1090055&viewfull=1#post1090055
2. http://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthre...ey-Wikileaks&p=1090008&viewfull=1#post1090008



Well same F-16 are now being used by America for Target practise.

When you give short-sighted ppl eyeing Multi billkion dollar contracts (with the kickbacks) with limited intelligence so much power with zero oversight such idiocy is expected.



http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2013/09/f16-drone/


Aging F-16 Converted Into a Target-Practice Drone







A QF-16 Full Scale Aerial Target from the 82nd Aerial Targets Squadron flies over the Gulf of Mexico during its first unmanned flight at Tyndall Air Force Base, Fla., Sept. 19. The 82nd ATRS operates the Department of Defense’s only full-scale aerial target program. The QF-16 will provide fourth generation fighter representation of real world threats for testing and training, say operators. (U.S. Air Force photo/Master Sgt. J. Scott Wilcox)

After nearly 40 years as the cornerstone of the U.S. Air Force’s fighter fleet,
the F-16 tried out a a new role last week: robotic flying bull’s-eye.
A modified F-16 took flight from Tindall Air Force Base in Florida without a pilot so it could be blown to smithereens. The Boeing retrofit of retired
Lockheed Martin F-16s will be used as target practice for training situations under the name QF-16.
“The QF-16 full-scale aerial targets will be used to test newly developed weapons and train pilots for the rapidly changing nature of warfare in a safe and controlled environment,” said Boeing in a statement.
“It was a little different to see an F-16 take off without anyone in it, but it was a great flight all the way around,” said Lt. Col. Ryan Inman, Commander, 82nd Aerial Targets Squadron. “It’s a replication of current, real world situations and aircraft platforms they can shoot as a target. Now we have a mission capable, highly sustainable full scale aerial target to take us into the future.”
During last week’s test, a pair of QF-16s aced taking off and landing on its own, as well as performing a series of simulated maneuvers. It also flew at 40,000 feet and broke the sound barrier at Mach 1.47.
Under an initial contract of $70 million, Boeing has modified six F-16s into the QF-16 configuration with low-rate initial production scheduled to begin in the fourth quarter and first production deliveries in 2015.
However, some are concerned about the potential for the Air Force to move the QF-16 from a training and testing vehicle to their use in warfare.
“I’m very concerned these could be used to target people on the ground,” Noel Sharkey from the Campaign to Stop Killer Robots told the BBC. ”I’m particularly worried about the high speed at which they can travel because they might not be able to distinguish their targets very clearly.”
But converting retired aircraft for the purpose of training and weapon testing is a move the Air Force has had success with in the past when they converted Vietnam-era F-4 Phantom fighters to pilotless aircraft for target practice. The inventory of those QF-4s are expected to be depleted by the end of 2015, hence the need for the QF-16s.
“Talk about cradle-to-grave value out of an airplane, in terms of taxpayers’ dollars, I mean right up to the very end, this airplane is providing payback,” said Air Force Lt. Colonel Ron Miller at the time.
The exact costs of the F-16 are unclear, but some versions of it are estimated at approximately $30 million.
So using them for target practice makes more economic sense than shipping them to the Boneyard at Davis-Monthan Air Force Base in Arizona, home to billions of dollars worth of rotting aircraft.

Aircraft sit at sunset at the 309th Aerospace Maintenance and Regeneration Group, often called the Boneyard, at Davis-Monthan Air Force Base, Ariz., Sept. 26, 2012. The 309th AMARG is an Air Force aircraft and missile storage and maintenance facility in Tucson, Ariz. (U.S. Air Force photo/Val Gempis)

 
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TONIC

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Aab saudi muft ka oil americans ko daitay hain humain naheen.....petrodollar zindabad.
 

Saadbaloch

Senator (1k+ posts)
Well F-16 has many versions and is being upgraded regularly and is still considered as a Back bone of US air force (400+). its reliable and cheap to maintain. and I don't think we have other options at the moment to buy new planes from different country then train pilots and engineers etc. best way is to invest heavy in JF-17 type projects to build our fighters with China.
 
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desan

President (40k+ posts)
Well F-16 has many versions and is being upgraded regularly and is still considered as a Back bone of US air force (400+). its reliable and cheap to maintain. and I don't think we have other options at the moment to buy new planes from different country then train pilots and engineers etc. best way is to invest heavy in JF-17 type projects to build our fighters with China.

These weapons are rigged and will be rendered useless by the flip of a button....
 
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tasbee00

Councller (250+ posts)
Totally agree the pentagon worried from jf-17 advanced f 22 manouver and the u.s. relies on small numbers attack with weapon rader guided aims missiles but theu.s. is totally unpreped for large numbers of jf-17 attacking couple f 22s so yes I agree we need a lot of everything! But at least China has its economy bounced all we can do is pray 5 times khalaas?
 

Imranpak

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Every weapon is easily outdated in today's world. Need to keep spending billion's on upgrading them.
 

fasmik

Senator (1k+ posts)
The only reason Pakistan was desperate for F 16s in the 80s was to have a reliable delivery system for nukes. And all this time this game was smartly played by the Pakistani regime to get hold of F 16s. We now have an advanced delivery missile program so F 16 is not that vital for our air force needs. But undoubtedly it is still one of of the top and feared performers in air combats.
 

ambroxo

Minister (2k+ posts)
Avionics and radars are upgraded time to time. But we are depended on Americans for these upgradations
and Americans are not reliable, because of sanctions, limitations, bugging etc

we should have developed or at least been able to produce JF-17 inside Pakistan but thanks to our corrupt civilian and military leadership, we are totally depending on China now.
Hopefully 36 FC-20 are coming in 2014-15