Dr. Shahid Masood Analysis on Reuters Article " Army chief holds off generals seeking Pakistan PM's

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(Reuters) - Weeks of mounting anti-government protests in Pakistan had been enough to convince five of the powerful army's 11 Corps Commanders that it was time for them to step in and force embattled Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif to resign.
According to a minister close to military circles, top generals met in the garrison city of Rawalpindi at the end of August as demonstrations raged in nearby Islamabad. Thousands of protesters had just tried to storm Sharif's residence.
At the tense, four-hour conclave, Pakistan's democratic process was once again in peril, with the military pondering another intervention in a country that has seen power change hands more often through coups than elections.
But army chief Raheel Sharif decided the time was not right to overthrow the civilian leadership, and moved to quell any disagreement in his ranks by overruling the hawks and declaring the crisis must be solved through politics, not force.
Soon afterwards, the army issued a brief statement, reaffirming its commitment to democracy, and the threat of a coup, at least for now, had passed.
The minister, who declined to be named due to the sensitivity of discussing the inner workings of the military, said at least five generals had been pushing for weeks for the army to take a more "active role" in defusing the crisis.
"The time for the army to be neutral is over," was how the minister summed up the message from dissenters around the table.
Two military sources confirmed this version of events. They, like the minister, spoke on condition of anonymity.
A senior security source added: "Raheel Sharif is not interested in direct intervention. The tanks aren't going to come rolling in. This army believes in compromise."
The army's media wing confirmed Sunday's meeting but declined to share details. Defence Minister Khawaja Asif told Reuters the army was a "monolithic institution".
"What comes out from the army is ultimately one opinion," he said. "And ... they have supported democracy."
BIDING HIS TIME?
General Sharif, who is not related to the prime minister, may simply be biding his time.
If, with the help of tacit military support, Nawaz Sharif does manage to ride out twin protest movements led by cricketer-turned-opposition leader Imran Khan and activist cleric Tahir ul-Qadri, he is expected to emerge a diminished figure.
It would allow the armed forces to assume greater control of policy areas they most covet - security and foreign policy - and leave it to civilians to face public anger over internal problems such as a faltering economy and widespread power cuts.
A government insider told Reuters in August that Sharif had been assured by the military he would not be asked to step down and that there would be no coup. But in return his government would have to "share space" with the army.
Under the agreement, Sharif would be subservient to generals on issues he had wanted to handle himself - the fight against Taliban militants, relations with arch-foe India and Pakistan's role in neighbouring Afghanistan after NATO combat troops withdraw at the end of 2014.
The army chief's cautious stance may have been linked to the strong show of support for the prime minister this month in parliament, where politicians lined up to back him.
General Sharif also inherited the current team of commanders from his predecessor when he took over the top job last year, making him less secure of his position, insiders said.
But with five top security officials due to retire next month, he has a chance to appoint his own men.
"It's hard to imagine an army chief trying to actively intervene or do something drastic when he isn't 100 percent sure his team will back him," said a defence ministry source.
"Next month ... he will have four of his own Corps Commanders. He'll have his own intelligence chief. Then he'll be a man to watch out for."
Spy chief Zaheer-ul-Islam, one of the five departing officers, was among those pushing for the prime minister's ouster, according to three senior government sources.
"It is not the army but elements within the ISI that have been backing Imran to get rid of Nawaz," said one of the sources, referring to Pakistan's most powerful security body, the military's Inter-Services Intelligence agency.
A senior ISI official said: "It is baseless to say the ISI is involved, but the fact is that this government has not delivered. No one will support it unconditionally."
Khan, who like Qadri accuses the prime minister of rigging the 2013 election and demands that he steps down, denies acting on anyone's orders.
HOPE QUICKLY FADED
A year ago, few would have predicted that Nawaz Sharif would be in such trouble.
Back then, he had just swept to power for a third time in a milestone poll that marked nuclear-armed Pakistan's first transition from one elected government to another.
But in the months that followed, Sharif, who crossed swords with the army in the past, moved to enhance the influence of the civilian government in a country ruled by the military for more than half of its brief and turbulent history.
Sharif further irked the generals by putting former military head and president Pervez Musharraf, who ended Sharif's last stint in power in a 1999 coup, on trial for treason.
His principle goals were to improve trade relations with India, convince Afghanistan that Pakistan would not meddle in its affairs and find a negotiated peace settlement with Islamist Taliban insurgents fighting against his rule.
But with the more conservative-minded military back in the driving seat, it would be much harder for Sharif to deliver on the rapprochement with India that he promised Indian officials when he won the election.
It could also affect how Pakistan emerges from a regional tussle for influence in Afghanistan once the majority of foreign soldiers serving there return home.
"Nawaz is the biggest loser here," said a government official. "Coup or no coup, the democratic transition has been badly disrupted."
(Writing By Mehreen Zahra-Malik; Editing by Mike Collett-White)

http://in.reuters.com/article/2014/09/05/pakistan-crisis-army-idINKBN0H015K20140905
 

Admiral

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Army Chief holds off Generals seeking Nawaz's ouster

COAS Gen. Raheel was successful in controlling them:

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http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/09/05/us-pakistan-crisis-army-idUSKBN0H015I20140905



Army chief holds off generals seeking Pakistan PM's ouster


(Reuters) - Weeks of mounting anti-government protests in Pakistan had been enough to convince five of the powerful army's 11 Corps Commanders that it was time for them to step in and force embattled Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif to resign.
According to a minister close to military circles, top generals met in the garrison city of Rawalpindi at the end of August as demonstrations raged in nearby Islamabad. Thousands of protesters had just tried to storm Sharif's residence.
At the tense, four-hour conclave, Pakistan's democratic process was once again in peril, with the military pondering another intervention in a country that has seen power change hands more often through coups than elections.
But army chief Raheel Sharif decided the time was not right to overthrow the civilian leadership, and moved to quell any disagreement in his ranks by overruling the hawks and declaring the crisis must be solved through politics, not force.
Soon afterwards, the army issued a brief statement, reaffirming its commitment to democracy, and the threat of a coup, at least for now, had passed.
The minister, who declined to be named due to the sensitivity of discussing the inner workings of the military, said at least five generals had been pushing for weeks for the army to take a more "active role" in defusing the crisis.
"The time for the army to be neutral is over," was how the minister summed up the message from dissenters around the table.
Two military sources confirmed this version of events. They, like the minister, spoke on condition of anonymity.
A senior security source added: "Raheel Sharif is not interested in direct intervention. The tanks aren't going to come rolling in. This army believes in compromise."
The army's media wing confirmed Sunday's meeting but declined to share details.

Defense Minister Khawaja Asif told Reuters the army was a "monolithic institution".
"What comes out from the army is ultimately one opinion," he said. "And ... they have supported democracy."


BIDING HIS TIME?
General Sharif, who is not related to the prime minister, may simply be biding his time.
If, with the help of tacit military support, Nawaz Sharif does manage to ride out twin protest movements led by cricketer-turned-opposition leader Imran Khan and activist cleric Tahir ul-Qadri, he is expected to emerge a diminished figure.
It would allow the armed forces to assume greater control of policy areas they most covet - security and foreign policy - and leave it to civilians to face public anger over internal problems such as a faltering economy and widespread power cuts.
A government insider told Reuters in August that Sharif had been assured by the military he would not be asked to step down and that there would be no coup. But in return his government would have to "share space" with the army.
Under the agreement, Sharif would be subservient to generals on issues he had wanted to handle himself - the fight against Taliban militants, relations with arch-foe India and Pakistan's role in neighboring Afghanistan after NATO combat troops withdraw at the end of 2014.
The army chief's cautious stance may have been linked to the strong show of support for the prime minister this month in parliament, where politicians lined up to back him.
General Sharif also inherited the current team of commanders from his predecessor when he took over the top job last year, making him less secure of his position, insiders said.
But with five top security officials due to retire next month, he has a chance to appoint his own men.
"It's hard to imagine an army chief trying to actively intervene or do something drastic when he isn't 100 percent sure his team will back him," said a defense ministry source.
"Next month ... he will have four of his own Corps Commanders. He'll have his own intelligence chief. Then he'll be a man to watch out for."

Spy chief Zaheer-ul-Islam, one of the five departing officers, was among those pushing for the prime minister's ouster, according to three senior government sources.
"It is not the army but elements within the ISI that have been backing Imran to get rid of Nawaz," said one of the sources, referring to Pakistan's most powerful security body, the military's Inter-Services Intelligence agency.
A senior ISI official said: "It is baseless to say the ISI is involved, but the fact is that this government has not delivered. No one will support it unconditionally."
Khan, who like Qadri accuses the prime minister of rigging the 2013 election and demands that he steps down, denies acting on anyone's orders.


HOPE QUICKLY FADED
A year ago, few would have predicted that Nawaz Sharif would be in such trouble.
Back then, he had just swept to power for a third time in a milestone poll that marked nuclear-armed Pakistan's first transition from one elected government to another.
But in the months that followed, Sharif, who crossed swords with the army in the past, moved to enhance the influence of the civilian government in a country ruled by the military for more than half of its brief and turbulent history.
Sharif further irked the generals by putting former military head and president Pervez Musharraf, who ended Sharif's last stint in power in a 1999 coup, on trial for treason.
His principle goals were to improve trade relations with India, convince Afghanistan that Pakistan would not meddle in its affairs and find a negotiated peace settlement with Islamist Taliban insurgents fighting against his rule.
But with the more conservative-minded military back in the driving seat, it would be much harder for Sharif to deliver on the rapprochement with India that he promised Indian officials when he won the election.
It could also affect how Pakistan emerges from a regional tussle for influence in Afghanistan once the majority of foreign soldiers serving there return home.

"Nawaz is the biggest loser here," said a government official. "Coup or no coup, the democratic transition has been badly disrupted."
 

rtabasum2

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
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Lets see who wins Zaheer ul Islam or Raheel, I will place my bets on Zaheer, anyways why is Raheel having meeting with SS every day who is he??? CM of Punjab hving meeting with COAS should not be there a check or something?? Is COAS a private servant of Shareefs that he is meeting them everyday ??? in the same token he shud be meeting Prevaiz Khattak as well no????
 
Re: Army Chief holds off Generals seeking Nawaz's ouster

:lol: is crap se dharna sazish ke nakam kirdaron ko kuch din hosla milay ga ..kuch nahin hone wala...Dharna sazish ke aik markazi kirdar Ch Shujaat ne dharna sazish ki nakami ke baad mayusi mein fauj ko directly kaha ke take over kar le.....infact in logon ko iqtedar sirf ici soorat mil sakta hai jab Martial Law lagta hai...is baar in ki desire poori nahin hone wali ...becharay (Padri+imran+Chaudhrys+sheeda Cigar)----:)
 
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rtabasum2

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GHQ hacks like Dr Moin Peerzada n co r now downplaying the dharna n saying they will go in a few days just showing whose side they r with, Raheel is getting desperate now wants this thing to end quickly but PTI has got them by the juggler they won't let go think again Fat military Shareef
 
Re: Dr.Shahid Masood Analysis on Reuters Article " Army chief holds off generals seeking Pakistan PM's ouster"

Zaheer aur os ke sathi 3 ya 4 Generals hakumat ke khilaf sazish mein nakam ho chuke hain aur peechay hut gaye hain...jis tarah ke halat hain army is sazish mein kamyab nahin ho sakti ...in mein se kisi mein itni jurat nahin ke gun point pe elected PM se resignation le sakay..in sazishion ko pata hai ke awam ki majority,Lawyers,civil society,business community aur PTI ke siwa tamam political parties, is qism ki kisi bhi mohim joi ke bardasht nahin karain gi
Lets see who wins Zaheer ul Islam or Raheel, I will place my bets on Zaheer, anyways why is Raheel having meeting with SS every day who is he??? CM of Punjab hving meeting with COAS should not be there a check or something?? Is COAS a private servant of Shareefs that he is meeting them everyday ??? in the same token he shud be meeting Prevaiz Khattak as well no????
 

rtabasum2

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: Dr.Shahid Masood Analysis on Reuters Article " Army chief holds off generals seeking Pakistan PM's ouster"

Zaheer aur os ke sathi 3 ya 4 Generals hakumat ke khilaf sazish mein nakam ho chuke hain aur peechay hut gaye hain...jis tarah ke halat hain army is sazish mein kamyab nahin ho sakti ...in mein se kisi mein itni jurat nahin ke gun point pe elected PM se resignation le sakay..in sazishion ko pata hai ke awam ki majority,Lawyers,civil society,business community aur PTI ke siwa tamam political parties, is qism ki kisi bhi mohim joi ke bardasht nahin karain gi

چلو اب اٹھ جاؤصبح ہو گئی ہے شاباش
 

rtabasum2

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: Dr.Shahid Masood Analysis on Reuters Article " Army chief holds off generals seeking Pakistan PM's ouster"

Zaheer aur os ke sathi 3 ya 4 Generals hakumat ke khilaf sazish mein nakam ho chuke hain aur peechay hut gaye hain...jis tarah ke halat hain army is sazish mein kamyab nahin ho sakti ...in mein se kisi mein itni jurat nahin ke gun point pe elected PM se resignation le sakay..in sazishion ko pata hai ke awam ki majority,Lawyers,civil society,business community aur PTI ke siwa tamam political parties, is qism ki kisi bhi mohim joi ke bardasht nahin karain gi

جس دن ڈنڈا چلنا ہے پورے ١٥ منٹ کی گیم ہے کن خیالوں میں پھر رہے ہو
 

modern.fakir

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
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Zaheer is an intelligent man ...Im sure he can convince Raheel by the next meeting (bigsmile)

Lets see who wins Zaheer ul Islam or Raheel, I will place my bets on Zaheer, anyways why is Raheel having meeting with SS every day who is he??? CM of Punjab hving meeting with COAS should not be there a check or something?? Is COAS a private servant of Shareefs that he is meeting them everyday ??? in the same token he shud be meeting Prevaiz Khattak as well no????
 
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ici tarah ke khwab ab aap ki zindagi ka Wahid aasra hain ,:P koi danda kaam nahin karay ga , yeh danda already sazishion ki g mein ja chukka hai :lol:
جس دن ڈنڈا چلنا ہے پورے ١٥ منٹ کی گیم ہے کن خیالوں میں پھر رہے ہو
 
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keep dreaming...Imran aur Padri ko bhi ici tarah ki tasaliyan di ja rahi hain warna wo bhi ab tak uth cukay hote...magar aik baat zehn mein rakhna ke gun point pe PM se resignation nahin liya ja sakta , sirf aik he soorat hai aur wo hai Full Martial Law yeni aain moatal kar diya jaye ,Supreme court ko taala laga diya jaye , Tamaam ke tamaam Lawyers ko jailon mein daal diya jaye ,tamam political parties ke leaders ko paband e salasal kar diya jaye ...na baba na yeh in Generals ko bhi pata hai ke itna barra juaa nahin khel saktay.yehi wajah hai ke democracy ke khilaf in haaram khoron aur gaddaron ki sazish kamyab nahin hui..yeh halaat aisay nahin hain jo kisi bhi hawalay se Martial Law ke liye suitable hoon....yeh News kisi ki khwaish ki aaina dar zaroor hai lekin practically aisa hona mumkin nazar nahin aata
Zaheer is an intelligent man ...Im sure he can convince Raheel by the next meeting (bigsmile)
 
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:lol: oh nai Paai Martial Law abhi yahan raat hai , lagta haii sazish ke kamyab na hone ka sadma aap ke damagh pe asar kar gaya hai:)
چلو اب اٹھ جاؤصبح ہو گئی ہے شاباش
 

Admiral

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: Dr.Shahid Masood Analysis on Reuters Article " Army chief holds off generals seeking Pakistan PM's ouster"

ici tarah ke khwab ab aap ki zindagi ka Wahid aasra hain ,:P koi danda kaam nahin karay ga , yeh danda already sazishion ki g mein ja chukka hai :lol:

Zaheer aur os ke sathi 3 ya 4 Generals hakumat ke khilaf sazish mein nakam ho chuke hain aur peechay hut gaye hain...jis tarah ke halat hain army is sazish mein kamyab nahin ho sakti ...in mein se kisi mein itni jurat nahin ke gun point pe elected PM se resignation le sakay..in sazishion ko pata hai ke awam ki majority,Lawyers,civil society,business community aur PTI ke siwa tamam political parties, is qism ki kisi bhi mohim joi ke bardasht nahin karain gi

Gujjar Saheb, aap kay liye aik thread hay ..
http://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthread.php?285859-The-Grand-Theft-Pakistani-Version
 
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elected governments ke khilaf sazishon ko justify karne ke liye ici tarah ki fabricated aur jhooti news lagai jati hain ,yeh khel koi neya khel nahin bohat arsa se khela ja raha hai .Khara Sach jaisay planted programme kiye jate hain jis mein paid analysts aur naam nehad aur paid economists ko bitha ke fake proofs dikha ke sazishon ko mazboot buniyad fraham ki jati hai...Mubashair Shitaan aur Sabir Shatir jaisay mutnaza aur corrupt anchors aur journalists ko full time pe fabricated stories bayan karne pe lagya jata hai ..Afzal Khan jaisay be zameer logon ko khareed kar 2 ,2 hours ke planted programme kiye jate hain...magar tareekh in sazishion aur zameer farosh aur watan dushmanu ko kabhi maaf nahin karay gi...inshallah Mian Nawaz Sharif ki elected govt ke khilaf tamam sazishein dam torr jayen gi aur Pakistan PM NS ki leadership mein be tahasha taraqi karay ga...Martial Law hakumton ki wajah se hum taraqi ki dorr mein itna peechay reh gaye...irony yeh hai ke Padri aur Imran jaisay Mir Jafar aur Mir Sadiq jamuriat ke dushmanu ko hamari apni safon se mil jate hain
 

IK For PK

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Zaheer aur os ke sathi 3 ya 4 Generals hakumat ke khilaf sazish mein nakam ho chuke hain aur peechay hut gaye hain...jis tarah ke halat hain army is sazish mein kamyab nahin ho sakti ...in mein se kisi mein itni jurat nahin ke gun point pe elected PM se resignation le sakay..in sazishion ko pata hai ke awam ki majority,Lawyers,civil society,business community aur PTI ke siwa tamam political parties, is qism ki kisi bhi mohim joi ke bardasht nahin karain gi
Bardasht nahi kerain gay( funny ) Just like they did three times earlier in the history of Pakistan,
 

Raaz

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Lets see who wins Zaheer ul Islam or Raheel, I will place my bets on Zaheer, anyways why is Raheel having meeting with SS every day who is he??? CM of Punjab hving meeting with COAS should not be there a check or something?? Is COAS a private servant of Shareefs that he is meeting them everyday ??? in the same token he shud be meeting Prevaiz Khattak as well no????

Nawaz will win .....;)
Happy ???
 

rtabasum2

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
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Nawaz will win .....;)
Happy ???

اس کو تڑپا تڑپا کے ماریں گے اب بھی جتنی عزت ایک مہینے میں ہو گئی ہے اب اگر یہ رہ بھی گیا تو زندہ لاش ہو گی
 

Raaz

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اس کو تڑپا تڑپا کے ماریں گے اب بھی جتنی عزت ایک مہینے میں ہو گئی ہے اب اگر یہ رہ بھی گیا تو زندہ لاش ہو گی

اس کو بے عزتی سے کوئی فرق نہی پڑتا ، بلکہ اس کی خوراک ہے یہ
دیکھا نہی پچھلے ایک مہینے سے موٹا ہو گیا ہے ، جب سے عمران نے اس کو گالیاں دینی شروع کی ہیں
:lol:
 

rtabasum2

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
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اس کو بے عزتی سے کوئی فرق نہی پڑتا ، بلکہ اس کی خوراک ہے یہ
دیکھا نہی پچھلے ایک مہینے سے موٹا ہو گیا ہے ، جب سے عمران نے اس کو گالیاں دینی شروع کی ہیں
:lol:

فیصلہ بوہت پہلےہو چکا تھا اس بار فوج امریکا کا ٹٹو نہیں چھوڑیں گے لیکن سارا کھیل جمہوریت مے ہی کھیلا جاۓ گا مجھے قریشی اور اسد عمر کی رپورٹ تھی ان دونوں کو اگلے سیٹ اپ مے رکھا جا ے گا آج ڈاکٹر شاہد مسود بھی قورشی کا نام لے رہا تھا یعنی رپورٹ پکی ہے
 

Raaz

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فیصلہ بوہت پہلےہو چکا تھا اس بار فوج امریکا کا ٹٹو نہیں چھوڑیں گے لیکن سارا کھیل جمہوریت مے ہی کھیلا جاۓ گا مجھے قریشی اور اسد عمر کی رپورٹ تھی ان دونوں کو اگلے سیٹ اپ مے رکھا جا ے گا آج ڈاکٹر شاہد مسود بھی قورشی کا نام لے رہا تھا یعنی رپورٹ پکی ہے

yes and Aitezaz Ahsan could be next PM , what I am looking looking also.

This set up will go insha Allah .... phase @ is started , phase 3 will be no confidence

PP wil play a major role in it.....