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Does the military still control Pakistan?





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Image copyrightAPImage captionThe army is hugely powerful in PakistanSome call it military rule by stealth. Others prefer to describe it as the generals and the politicians working harmoniously in the national interest. But however you look at it, there's no denying the Pakistan army's political power is growing.

It all dates back to the Peshawar school attack of 16 December 2014 when the Pakistani Taliban murdered 132 schoolboys.
Within days the civilian leadership had formulated a 20-point National Action Planto confront the militants, curb their hate speeches, control their religious seminaries and cut their finances.
Aware that the civilian courts are generally reluctant to convict Jihadists, the parliament then passed a constitutional amendment to establish military courts.

The army then announced new "apex committees" that brought together senior politicians, bureaucrats, intelligence officials and military officers.
As many as 50,000 suspected militants have been detained or arrested and in another sign of the state's resolve, Malik Ishaq, the leader of a formidable sectarian group, Lashkar e Jhangvi, was shot dead by police in what is widely believed to be an extra-judicial killing.

The crackdown has led to sharply reduced levels of militant violence.
And with media highlighting the role of the army chief General Raheel Sharif, the army is enjoying a surge of public support.
But for all the hopes that the Peshawar School attacks might have marked a significant turning point, some wonder whether the National Action Plan will bring lasting change.
After all, Pakistanis could be forgiven for thinking they have seen it all before.
Tens of thousands of suspected militants were detained by General Musharraf's regime in 2007, only to be released a few months later.

Since the state lacks the capacity to investigate the detainees the same could well happen again.
When he announced the National Action Plan, Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif stated that Pakistan would no longer distinguish between the "good" Taliban (who fight Pakistan's enemies) and the "bad" Taliban (who attack targets in Pakistan itself).
Selective targets

But in reality the state is still being selective about which groups it targets.
Pakistani-based Jihadist groups with a history of fighting Indian forces in the disputed territory of Kashmir are being left alone.
So too are the Afghan Taliban and the Afghan-facing Haqqani Network which stands accused of mounting recent attacks in Kabul.

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Image copyrightGetty ImagesImage captionPlans were drawn up to combat militants following the Peshawar school attackPerhaps most controversially of all Lashkar e Toiba (or as its renamed itself, Jamaat ud Dawa), the group accused of mounting the 2008 Mumbai attacks, has not been confronted.
The group's leader Hafeez Saeed is frequently quoted in the Pakistan press.
And no-one is expecting further legal action against, for example, LSE graduate Omar Sheikh who has been convicted of involvement in the 2002 murder of the Wall Street Journal's Daniel Pearl. His appeal has been pending since 2002.

Nor is there likely to be any resolution of the case of Mumtaz Qadri who in 2011 killed the Governor of Punjab, Salman Taseer.
Qadri, who objected to Taseer's calls for reform of the blasphemy laws, enjoys hero status in Pakistan.
Neither the army nor the government will want to risk undermining public support for the National Action Plan by including Qadri in its net.
Privately officials say they have to prioritize militants who attack targets within Pakistan.
But even that claim is questionable. Fearing a violent backlash, the state has hesitated to confront militants in their strongholds in Southern Punjab.

The risks are real. Within three weeks of Malik Ishaq's death, for example, Lashkar e Jhangvi hit back with a suicide bomb attack that killed the Home Minster of Punjab, Shuja Khanzada.
There are also questions about the impact of the National Action Plan on Pakistan's notoriously volatile civil/military relations.
Elected representatives both in the national parliament and provincial assemblies complain that they have been cut out of decision-making.

Cult of personality

Some also express fears about an emerging cult of personality around Army Chief General Raheel Sharif.
Posters of him have appeared on billboards throughout Pakistan's biggest city Karachi.

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Image copyrightGetty ImagesImage captionThere are tensions between Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif and army chief Raheel SharifMysterious websites, which seem to have access to images sourced from the military, praise him to the skies.
After decades of very poor PR, the army is now producing emotive, patriotic rock songs to bolster support for the anti-Jihadist campaign.
While Pakistani liberals worry about these developments, they simultaneously concede that if the counter narrative to the Jihadists has a militaristic air, its only because the civilians have failed to come up with an effective information strategy of their own.

The contest for public support has had an impact on Pakistan's previously irrepressible TV news channels.
Many have become so nervous about upsetting the army that they are making use of a 30-second delay on live broadcasts so that the sound can be muted before it's transmitted.
Originally brought in to stop uncritical interviews of Jihadists, the mechanism is now being used to protect the army's reputation.

One prime time TV host described how her voice was muted as soon as she used the word "military".
The person controlling the mute button did not know if she was going to say something supportive or critical of the men in uniform - so decided to play it safe.
The army's ascendency means that despite his strong electoral mandate Nawaz Sharif is unable to pursue some of his objectives.
His desire to improve relations with India has run up against the army's insistence that the intractable Kashmir issue should be at the forefront of any talks process.


General Raheel Sharif


  • Received his military commission in 1976

  • Studied military leadership in Germany, Canada and Britain

  • Commanded several infantry units, some on the disputed Line of Control in Kashmir

  • His brother, Shabbir Sharif, received two of the country's highest military awards after he was killed during the 1971 India-Pakistan war

  • Previous appointments include inspector-general of training and evaluation at the army headquarters in Rawalpindi, and head of the Pakistan Military Academy at Kakul, Abbottabad.
  • Thought to have played a key role in switching the focus of the army from confronting India to fighting militancy.

Wary embrace

Mr Sharif has also been blocked from pursuing legal action against the man who removed him from power last time round, General Musharraf.
The army is unwilling to see a former chief on trial for treason.
For now the government and the army are locked in a wary embrace.

They are working together but in part that is because the civilian politicians fear that if they allow a gap to emerge between them and the military there will be another coup.
Some wonder how long the current situation can last.
"Let me tell you what I have learnt from history," said Pakistan's most prominent human rights lawyer, Asma Jahangir.
"Our army doesn't want power. It wants absolute power."
Listen to Owen's report on the Newshour Extra podcast.



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thinking

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
If Military is not controlling Pakistan yet..then they
should have to control Pakistan..because..corrupt
tola of politicians will destroy Pakistan...
 

Phoenix11230

MPA (400+ posts)
Military can control Pakistan if they support MQM but if they do not support the MQM then they dont have the slightest right to control Pakistan. Am i right so far?
 

MashraQi Larka

Minister (2k+ posts)
میلٹری اسٹیبلِشمنٹ پورے پاکستان کی ایم کیو ایم ہے۔ اگر حکومت میں رہنا ہے تو میلٹری کیساتھ بنا کر رکھنی ہے، میلٹری کو بھتہ دینا ہے۔ اور بھتے سے مراد لینڈ پے قبضہ کرنے سے نئی روکنا، سمگلِنگ اور کرپشن کرنے سے نئی روکنا، پاکستانی دفاعی راز امریکہ کو بیچنے سے نئی روکنا ، پاکستانی شہری غائب کرنے اورامریکہ کو بیچنے سے نئی روکنا ہے۔ جب میلٹری چاہے وہ کسی کو سپورٹ کرے اور جب اُسکی مرضی ہو وہ اُسی کیخلاف آپریشن کرے، اُس پے بھی نئی بولنا ہے کچھ۔۔ نئی تو قومی مُفاد خطرے میں پڑ جاتا ہے، بقول خود ساختہ محب وطن میلٹری افسران کے۔

اگر میلٹری پر ہاتھ ڈالا یا روکا جاۓ تو پھر یہ حکومتیں اُلٹ دیتی ہے۔۔
 

desan

President (40k+ posts)
GHQ is quite happy and content with Zerr and Sherr...

Corrupt, compromised and incompetent leadership suits them quite well.
 

Zaidi Qasim

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
GHQ is quite happy and content with Zerr and Sherr...

Corrupt, compromised and incompetent leadership suits them quite well.

Isn't this irony that they will undermine every civil government by playing games and when the Government can't swim because of the contamination they create, they show up with shovel in their hands pertaining to clean up the pond.


 

Democrate

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
اس قوم کی بدقسمتی کہ اس کا وزیر اعظم نواز شریف ہے ،جسکو سیاست کی الف ب کا پتا نہیں
یہ جب بھی اقتدار میں آئے فوج کو اپنے حرکات اپنے ناتواں کندھوں پر سوار کروا لیتے ہیں
جب تک نواز شریف سیاست میں ہے فوجی مداخلت کسی نہ کسی صورت جاری رہی گی ،بس دعا کرو فل کوپ نہ ہو
اور رہا سہا سسٹم چلتا رہے
اس پوسٹ کا مطلب ہرگز عمران کی طرف داری نہیں جو فوجی ہمنوائی میں صف اول کے سپاہی نکلے ہیں
 

kakamana

Minister (2k+ posts)
I am not sure about military but quite sure that at least now MQM isn't in control of Karachi which is big time screwing you guys isn't it?
 

samsixtyone

Councller (250+ posts)
it is our army which corrupt most, first they create monsters, when the suck the blood out of poor ppl, then fight same very monsters they created.
our civil leader are corrupted by same army, just read the history. from MQM to Taliban. and we deserved zardari/nawaz be our leaders.
 

NohmnAli

MPA (400+ posts)
If Military is not controlling Pakistan yet..then they
should have to control Pakistan..because..corrupt
tola of politicians will destroy Pakistan...
In that case, military would only harm itself. Right now, they are fighting against terrorism and if they get involved in governing Pakistan, they would be jeopardizing the security of Pakistan. This is what military does not want. Security and protection of their interests is their main concern. Military should stay in the background and use its influence on civilians to get the job done. Meanwhile, the corrupt politicians will automatically get discredited by their failures in socio-economic sphere. A dictator has to go after 5-7 years in a country like Pakistan. After they are gone, the corrupt would be back in power, and we will again have to bear the likes of Zardari and Nawaz. Let the democracy work and hope for the best.
 

tariisb

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)


اکنامسٹ سے لے کر بی بی سی تک ، تحقیق کا موضوع یہی ہے ،

پاکستان میں فوج کا کردار وہی ہے ، جسے مغربی ممالک طاقتوں نے طے کیا ہے ، مظبوط کیا ہے ، اب کیا ڈھونڈتے ہیں ؟ اپنے جیسی جمہوریت ؟ یا اپنے جیسی فوج ؟ ، جب جمہوریت باہر والوں جیسی نہیں تو ، فوج بھی ہم جیسی ہے ، امپورٹڈ کب سے ہوئی ؟ مقامی سوچ اور ماحول کے عین مطابق ہے ، بس اتنا کہہ لیں ؟ جیسی جمہوریت ویسی ہی فوج

فوج اور حکمران جماعت میں کوئی اختلاف ہے ؟ نہیں ابھی تک اختلاف نہیں ، بلکہ ہم آہنگی ہے ، جس طرح کے ٹھیٹھ پیچیدہ مسائل ہیں ، ان حالات میں ، یہ سب ایک بندے کے بس کا کام نہیں ، ادراک نوازشریف کو ہے ، راحیل شریف کو بھی ہے ، اسی لیے دونوں اپنا اپنا کام کرتے جاتے ہیں ، ہمیں بس کوئی نا کوئی موضوع مل جاتا ہے ، فوج کب اقتدار قبضہ کرے گی ؟ نواز شریف کو فوج نے باندھ رکھا ہے ؟ جنرل راحیل کو حکومت ایکسٹینشن دے گی یا نہیں دے گی ؟ فوج اور حکومت میں اختلاف کب شدت اختیار کریں گے ؟ یہی گھسے پٹے موضوعات ہیں جنہوں نے آس امید کو امید سے بھاری کر رکھا ہے ، ہماری سیاست میں یہ سوالات اجنبی بلکل نہیں ، نوے سے ہوے ہیں آج تک ہوتے چلے جاتے ہیں ، آئندہ بھی سیاسی نصاب میں ایسی ہی ذہنی آزمائشیں ہوتی رہیں گی

فوج ہو یا حکومت ، دونوں کے پاس غلطی کی کوئی گنجایش نہیں ، ہاں خطاؤں کی درستگی کو بہت سا وقت ہے ، اپنے لیے نہیں ملک کے لیے بہت سے معطل معاملات درست کرنے ہیں ، چین نے سیدھے صاف مطالبات سامنے رکھے ہوے ہیں ، بھارت منہ کھولے بیٹھا ہے ، روس تعلقات میں اضافہ چاہتا ہے ، افغانستان ڈنڈا اور گاجر دونوں کا متمنی ہے ، ان حالات میں مینڈیٹ بہت واضح ہے ، فوج و حکومت کی ہم آہنگی ناگزیر ہے ، اس کے سوا کوئی قابل عمل ٹوٹکا ممکن نہیں

امکان :- متوقع سٹریٹجک حالات و واقعات مطابق ، غیر ملکی طاقتیں نواز شریف کو ورغلانے ، راحیل شریف کو اکسانے کی واردات کر سکتی ہیں ، مشتری ہوشیارباش


 
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bisaat

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I am not sure about military but quite sure that at least now MQM isn't in control of Karachi which is big time screwing you guys isn't it?


those who lived in the 1990s can say the same thing? who came victorious in the end? was it not MQM?


let me say this important thing to you


Karachi can't be controlled by Punjabis hailing from GHQ, it is only controlled by Karachi citizens


those who come from Punjab with guns and threat can subdue people temperorily, but in the end, those Punjabis have to pack their bags and go back to the villages they came from?


general asif nawaz, general naseer akhter, general bila, general naseerullah babar etc have all tried to push their crimes in the city but in the end, you know who prevailed dear?


:P


a historic lesson for us all? :)
 

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