Divine Omniscience & Man's Freewill: Some Questions For Wahabbis, Pervezies & Qadiyanis

[Bret Hawk]

Whilst going through an excellent article on the topic of Allah SWTs Omniscience vs Mans Freewill I developed few questions for the so called torch bearers of puritans (Wahabbi / Najdi Ideology), rationalists (Pervezis and logical positivists) and claimers of Divine Prophethood (Qadiyanis) in order to get some insight from their extraordinary streams of knowledge. I hope they will not disappoint me at least in this peculiar thread and will, contrary to their favourite practise of diversion, try to focus on the points of contention.

I think we might be aware about one of the salient attributes of Allah SWTs which is omniscience through some of the verses of Holy Quran for instance in 10:61 and the Qadarriya (Proponents of Mans Freewill) and Jabbariya (Proponents of Allahs Imposition of force) polemics of Mutazlites and rest of the school of thoughts of Islam.
Therefore the prime questions can arise here that;

How to reconcile the all knowing Gods knowledge with the freewill of an individual since that individuals fate seems to be known by that all knowing supreme Entity?

And if Allah SWT is not knowledgeable about the potential choices of Man then does it counts to the limitation of His glorious powers and influence?

Can Allah SWT be unjust whilst perfectly knowing the limitations of his created Men and still vie to punish them for those crimes & frailties which they dont seems to have all inclusive power over them?


Note: Hope to hear to the point and clear responses from the bandwagon of all knowing and morally & intellectually upright so called adherents of Islam.

 

[Salik]

Re: Divine Omnescience & Man's Freewill: Some Questions from Wahabbis, Pervezies & Qadiyanis

Get ready for another copy-paste spree....

 

[biomat]

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[Bret Hawk]

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I can imagine that Br. Salik but I know the complexity of this topic and would love to see how these so called righteous and upright groups make a resounding mockery out of their sorry selves in few minutes time. Let’s get ready to gain some “enlightenment” from these avatars of unquestionable scholars of Islam. And Br. Biomat thanks alot fr sharing the video of this great martyr of Islam which has very much relevency with the topic of this thread.

 

[biomat]

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[biomat]

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[biomat]

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[biomat]

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[such bolo]

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[biomat]

Re: Divine Omnescience & Man's Freewill: Some Questions from Wahabbis, Pervezies & Qadiyanis

I think this question discussing PERVAIZI mode of thinking & ideology..
Logical Positivism Vs Faith on unseen (Emaan bil Ghyaib)

 

[biomat]

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[biomat]

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Forgive me for copy paste.. But my point is that this topic is not new, but should not be go into minute detail about this topic..
Jaza-k-ALLAH

 

[Unicorn]

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He mixes apples and oranges with his examples: His very first statement was was that "Allah writes on the throat of every one the destiny of the individual" In his example of teacher and students he states that a teacher makes his prediction based on his experience with the student. How can Allah make make his predictions based on his experience when the child is still in the womb.

 

[Unicorn]

I had posed the same question earlier maybe this time some one will be able to explain the reconciliation, when at least in my mind, its irreconcilable I would read with open mind.

 

[babadeena]

I developed few questions for the so called torch bearers of puritans
(Wahabbi / Najdi Ideology), rationalists (Pervezis and logical positivists)
and claimers of Divine Prophethood (Qadiyanis) in order to get some insight
from their extraordinary streams of knowledge. I hope they will not disappoint me
at least in this peculiar thread and will, contrary to their favourite practise of diversion,
try to focus on the points of contention.

Bret Hawk,
u have restricted your thread for some particular type of people to respond.? or
it is for everyone, irrespective of his/her orientation?

 

[Unicorn]

Bret Hawk,
u have restricted your thread for some particular type of people to respond.? or
it is for everyone, irrespective of his/her orientation?

You are the most polite person on this forum:lol:

 

[Bret Hawk]

Br. Babadeena everyone for sure is welcome to comment and present his / her views on this particular issue but there was a reason for me to address those three types of groups. Normally you might have seen them jumping and thumping their ideologies on the faces of other adherents of schools of thought so I thought lets check their views in particular that how good they are in addressing of such complex issue.

Such Bolo Sahab I’m sorry I’m unable to view any of the posted video clips here on this thread due to the problems of weak connection of my internet service here. However relating and basing the estimate of my past viewership of Dr Zakir’s statement on this very clip I can safely state that you have at least agreed in an indirect sense that Man is not as freer in his actions and choices as one may assume him to be.

Anyhow many of such theories and speculative reasoning are the works of those Muslim scholars to whom your brand of clergy term them as innovators and disoriented in the last 2-3 centuries. I need to view the original views of your school of thought bhai sahab not the borrowed ones on this matter of fatalism and absolute freedom of choice by humans.

 

[babadeena]

Dear Bret Hawk,
To go in details to your queries, first it needs to be determined whether
a human being has "free-will" &"choice" or not. I think it is proven from
Quran that a human being since the day of its inception has been given
this right. Adam(as) was given choice: "not to come near to this tree".
then when he was expelled: (2:38:&39). So, as per Quran, there is no
second opinion over this question.
It is not question of "reconciliation", it is matter of "accepting" that
Allah(SWT) knows each and every action of human being which he/she is
going to perform. Now it comes the concept of an "eternal war" which
started between "Rehman & Sattan". Resultantly, the concept of "Test & Trial"
came into being. So Although Allah(SWT) already knows everything but
he, as per already decided thing, gave human being a life span with free will
to act and then will be rewarded accordingly.
If you wish to discuss on any point I made, I will be more than happy
to quote it from Quran. Thanks.