Coronavirus: Why Muslims Shouldn't Fear it

Vitamin_C

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Humans have fear of certain things because it played a useful role in our evolution. If humans did not have fear of lions and hyenas, we probably would have gone extinct.

Fear is a useful emotion sometimes. It forces people to action and precaution. If people didn't fear the virus and go out and do what they want, it will bring us one more step closer to extinction.
 

Citizen X

President (40k+ posts)
May Allah s.w.t protect us from idiots and fools like this who create videos like this.
For people like this there is only one test. Go walk on to a busy highway with your eyes closed. Why do you fear getting run over by a car? You should fear the one who gave us the ability to manufacture that car, right? And nothing happens without his will right? So if Allah has not willed it you will not for right?

What happens to all your Muslim faith in such situations?
 

Xiggs

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Humans have fear of certain things because it played a useful role in our evolution. If humans did not have fear of lions and hyenas, we probably would have gone extinct.

Fear is a useful emotion sometimes. It forces people to action and precaution. If people didn't fear the virus and go out and do what they want, it will bring us one more step closer to extinction.

couldn't have put it better!!

Discretion is the better part of valor.

It's discretion, not fear. I hope sensible Muslims understand the difference between the two.
 

rtabasum2

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
May Allah s.w.t protect us from idiots and fools like this who create videos like this.
For people like this there is only one test. Go walk on to a busy highway with your eyes closed. Why do you fear getting run over by a car? You should fear the one who gave us the ability to manufacture that car, right? And nothing happens without his will right? So if Allah has not willed it you will not for right?

What happens to all your Muslim faith in such situations?
couldn't have put it better!!

Discretion is the better part of valor.

It's discretion, not fear. I hope sensible Muslims understand the difference between the two.
A third world country trying to ape first world ......when is this madness going to end......does Pakistan have the means to feed all the masses doing nothing and locked down....data shows low mortality rate .........take the country back to normal n start working
 

Xiggs

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
A third world country trying to ape first world ......when is this madness going to end......does Pakistan have the means to feed all the masses doing nothing and locked down....data shows low mortality rate .........take the country back to normal n start working
Discretion and Caution are the order of the day. Don't be so hasty to lead the nation to an unwanted consequence. Your question has the answer "data shows low mortality rate...". How was this low mortality rate achieved so far? by being cautious, not by being Boris Johnson and Donald Trump or Italy, Spain and France.
 

rtabasum2

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Discretion and Caution are the order of the day. Don't be so hasty to lead the nation to an unwanted consequence. Your question has the answer "data shows low mortality rate...". How was this low mortality rate achieved so far? by being cautious, not by being Boris Johnson and Donald Trump or Italy, Spain and France.
Read this will explain many things

 

Xiggs

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Why do you trust only WHO now??
I trust thousands of doctors who are saying to be extra careful, not just a bunch of conspiracy theorists living in their mothers' houses basements or some mullah calling this virus a conspiracy theory against Muslims while thousands of non-muslims are dead already because of that.

You give me one tom dick harry link and I will give ten links of accredited professional against your theory. Deal?
 

rtabasum2

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
I trust thousands of doctors who are saying to be extra careful, not just a bunch of conspiracy theorists living in their mothers' houses basements or some mullah calling this virus a conspiracy theory against Muslims while thousands of non-muslims are dead already because of that.

You give me one tom dick harry link and I will give ten links of accredited professional against your theory. Deal?
Yeah deal.............lets start with your WHO expert first
He worked for over 30 years with the World Bank and the World Health Organization around the world,
 

rtabasum2

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
I trust thousands of doctors who are saying to be extra careful, not just a bunch of conspiracy theorists living in their mothers' houses basements or some mullah calling this virus a conspiracy theory against Muslims while thousands of non-muslims are dead already because of that.

You give me one tom dick harry link and I will give ten links of accredited professional against your theory. Deal?
 

Eyeaan

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
May Allah s.w.t protect us from idiots and fools like this who create videos like this.
For people like this there is only one test. Go walk on to a busy highway with your eyes closed. Why do you fear getting run over by a car? You should fear the one who gave us the ability to manufacture that car, right? And nothing happens without his will right? So if Allah has not willed it you will not for right?

What happens to all your Muslim faith in such situations?
Listen to him. He is only saying that pray in this difficult time and help your brothers and feel for others for the sake of god.
Unless one makes claims that are contrary to the scientific facts in practice or makes scientific claims on behalf of religion which have material effects or simply lies posing for a religious person, I don't find you have enough ground to refute him.
You cannot dictate humans how to cope with feelings of fear nor you know how to do that except for yourself,

As long as both reasonably agree on the precautionary measures and the proven remedies and follow them , within a valid scientific discourse, you cannot make demand for any more.

You might be very wise and knowing but beyond the scientific facts and empirical data and analysis, about all of your knowledge is opinion and feelings, not lesser than anyone's nor the more.
Making claims of knowledge of sub-conscious or beyond the realm of self-action and decision and then demanding for action is self-contradictory
 

Citizen X

President (40k+ posts)
Listen to him. He is only saying that pray in this difficult time and help your brothers and feel for others for the sake of god.
Unless one makes claims that are contrary to the scientific facts in practice or makes scientific claims on behalf of religion which have material effects or simply lies posing for a religious person, I don't find you have enough ground to refute him.
You cannot dictate humans how to cope with feelings of fear nor you know how to do that except for yourself,

As long as both reasonably agree on the precautionary measures and the proven remedies and follow them , within a valid scientific discourse, you cannot make demand for any more.

You might be very wise and knowing but beyond the scientific facts and empirical data and analysis, about all of your knowledge is opinion and feelings, not lesser than anyone's nor the more.
Making claims of knowledge of sub-conscious or beyond the realm of self-action and decision and then demanding for action is self-contradictory
I did listen to him and he's off on totally other tangent that has nothing to do with the situation at hand.

Fear the creator and not the virus!!!

We fear him, virus or no virus. Thats the problem with him and even our regular mullah and moulvi hazrat they cannot switch of their preaching mode and can not divert from the script the have wrote memorized from childhood, this is NOT the time to be preaching. This is the time to be giving useful advice on how to get through this in one piece.
 

Eyeaan

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
I did listen to him and he's off on totally other tangent that has nothing to do with the situation at hand.

Fear the creator and not the virus!!!

We fear him, virus or no virus. Thats the problem with him and even our regular mullah and moulvi hazrat they cannot switch of their preaching mode, this is NOT the time to be preaching. This is the time to be giving useful advice on how to get through this in one piece.
To be clear I'm not to sacrifice, arts, philosophy, ethics, aesthetics, literature, morality, sense of history and continuity and other human discourses, which really makes our existence and world-experience meaningful, interesting and worth living, at the narrow doors of science and empiricism.
Not that I have some personal problem with that but one doesn't have a valid ground to do so.

I don't see (or demand) a mulla rising beyond his/her narrow discourse and convey his/her feeling different to what he/she really feels (except that when those sermons are materially harmful and then I'll be first to raise objections and shut him/her up.)

In the current situation, it is the duty of doctors, scientist and politicians to provide honest opinions and remedies and to take charge; and, in case some of them act dishonestly to their professions, I'll be furious. Let's focus on real practical and material issues than to jump over a group - jo nah leney mein nah denein mein.

Today I read a long piece of poetry which dealt with the current situation even more stranger and obnoxious way and full of shock and gloom, but then I know that's poetry which occupies a precious place in my heart - would you kill me for reading and enjoying that piece!!!
 
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Vitamin_C

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Before humans started using science, the average life expectancy was around 25-40 years. We had no weapons to defend against wild animals nor cure for basic illnesses. Science is difference between life and death, survival or extinction.

If it weren't for science it wouldn't matter if you would have this computer your typing on or not because you probably would have been dead by now. So good luck enjoying literature and art from your grave.

Science and survival gets precedence over bullshit aesthetics and philosophy everyday of the week. Bullshit philosophers, movlis and mystics who came and spoiled, wasted peoples time with their idle talk. While scientists such as Isaac Newton gave up all pleasures and luxuries of their youth and life just to make life better and easier for other human beings so that you can stay alive longer and be ungrateful.


To be clear I'm not to sacrifice, arts, philosophy, ethics, aesthetics, literature, morality, sense of history and continuity and other human discourses, which really makes our existence and world-experience meaningful, interesting and worth living, at the narrow doors of science
 

atensari

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RELIGION AND SCIENCE:

اگر مذہب مجرم ہے تو دنیا کی ترقی یافتہ، مادیت پسند، مادہ پرست قوم کی توہم پرستی کا راز کیا ہے

داڑھی والا غلطی کرے تو وہ غلطی مذہب کے سر تھوپ دی جاتی ہے. داڑھی منڈھا ہو تو ذہنی مریض قرار دیا جاتا ہے