Coronavirus is a punishemnt from Allah ?

Citizen X

President (40k+ posts)
????? .. .This is has been my stance also, that wrath of God came people came only during the time of the prophets in their lifetime and once the prophets had clearly relayed the message of Allah and yet the people denied, then Allah sent his wrath upon them.

This is a lesson to every one saying this is the wrath of God for xyz reason

Such diasasters are reminders from Allah s.w.t because sometimes we forget in the hustle bustle of life, that life is short and temporary and death is the only certainty in this life, so use this time wisely.
 

Vitamin_C

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
I think there are better natural explanations for this such as humans destroying forests and entering areas that were reserved only for wildlife and coming in contact newer viruses that we didnt know about before. Once we are exposed to it, mathematical models can predict its spreads.

It has nothing to do with God because its a force of nature. It wont care who is a good person or who is a bad person, who prays or doesnt prays. It will effect people based on its parameters and probabilities.

Only an evil and sadistic God would brutally kill elderly people to send other people a message. Like some sadistic and psycho villain in s movie like Neegan from The Walking Dead. Just like a force of nature clubs random people to death regardless of who they are.

????? .. .This is has been my stance also, that wrath of God came people came only during the time of the prophets in their lifetime and once the prophets had clearly relayed the message of Allah and yet the people denied, then Allah sent his wrath upon them.

This is a lesson to every one saying this is the wrath of God for xyz reason

Such diasasters are reminders from Allah s.w.t because sometimes we forget in the hustle bustle of life, that life is short and temporary and death is the only certainty in this life, so use this time wisely.
 

Citizen X

President (40k+ posts)
I think there are better natural explanations for this such as humans destroying forests and entering areas that were reserved only for wildlife and coming in contact newer viruses that we didnt know about before. Once we are exposed to it, mathematical models can predict its spreads.

It has nothing to do with God because its a force of nature. It wont care who is a good person or who is a bad person, who prays or doesnt prays. It will effect people based on its parameters and probabilities.

Only an evil and sadistic God would brutally kill elderly people to send other people a message. Like some sadistic and psycho villain in s movie like Neegan from The Walking Dead. Just like a force of nature clubs random people to death regardless of who they are.
For you, nothing is to do with God. So the discussion is moot.
 

Vitamin_C

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Its not about me. We live in the same world and are subject to the same events caused by same triggers. There is science behind viruses and how they work but still some people believe in superstitions. And its also science that will help minimize the impact of the pandemic. So its better to understand how things really work rather than to look towards superstition.

For you, nothing is to do with God. So the discussion is moot.
 

Citizen X

President (40k+ posts)
Its not about me. We live in the same world and are subject to the same events caused by same triggers. There is science behind viruses and how they work but still some people believe in superstitions. And its also science that will help minimize the impact of the pandemic. So its better to understand how things really work rather than to look towards superstition.
What you call force of nature, we call act of God. Its that simple.
 

halwapuri

Councller (250+ posts)
atheism is the most intellectually dishonest / corrupt position one can have. It is the only ideology in the world which forces a person to believe that "something comes from nothing". Moreover, their stance about science as the ultimate and the only source of knowledge is in itself unscientific, illogical, and irrational.
The second intellectually dishonest / corrupt position is polytheism which claims that more than one god exists.
Both the position goes against common sense.

I think there are better natural explanations for this such as humans destroying forests and entering areas that were reserved only for wildlife and coming in contact newer viruses that we didnt know about before. Once we are exposed to it, mathematical models can predict its spreads.

It has nothing to do with God because its a force of nature. It wont care who is a good person or who is a bad person, who prays or doesnt prays. It will effect people based on its parameters and probabilities.

Only an evil and sadistic God would brutally kill elderly people to send other people a message. Like some sadistic and psycho villain in s movie like Neegan from The Walking Dead. Just like a force of nature clubs random people to death regardless of who they are.
 

halwapuri

Councller (250+ posts)
And who created the laws based on which nature works? The law of gravity? Relativity? etc? Surely you can think a bit more critically than that!

Its not about me. We live in the same world and are subject to the same events caused by same triggers. There is science behind viruses and how they work but still some people believe in superstitions. And its also science that will help minimize the impact of the pandemic. So its better to understand how things really work rather than to look towards superstition.
 

Vitamin_C

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
The law of gravity is not the same thing as a law that is made in court.

A law in physics is not something that has to be 'followed' by nature but rather something that is measured to be the case.

In English we often use the same word to mean completely different things and when you use it words in the wrong context like you did here by taking the physics defination of law and using it to mean the legal defination in criticsl thinking we call it the equivocation fallacy.

And who created the laws based on which nature works? The law of gravity? Relativity? etc? Surely you can think a bit more critically than that!
 

Vitamin_C

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Atheism simply means disbelief in God due to absense of proof or evidence for existsnce of God.

Which is true, there is no piece of evidenxe whether radiation, mass, debris, direct or indirect observstion, light or anything else that we can say is the evidence for God.

In the absense of evidence the most honest thing to say is that we dont know where the universe came from.

The dishonest thing would be to make up an explanation based on faith that god did it and it was my specific god and not the 1000 other gods. That is the defintion of intellectual dishonesty.

As for science. It basically means collective knowledge of humans and we have our methods that differentiate actual knowledge from superstitious voodoo. Your belief aparently falls under superstitious which is why you are using a computer which is built by science to bash science. Shame on you.

atheism is the most intellectually dishonest / corrupt position one can have. It is the only ideology in the world which forces a person to believe that "something comes from nothing". Moreover, their stance about science as the ultimate and the only source of knowledge is in itself unscientific, illogical, and irrational.
The second intellectually dishonest / corrupt position is polytheism which claims that more than one god exists.
Both the position goes against common sense.
 

amm_jan

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
Atheism simply means disbelief in God due to absense of proof or evidence for existsnce of God.

Which is true, there is no piece of evidenxe whether radiation, mass, debris, direct or indirect observstion, light or anything else that we can say is the evidence for God.

In the absense of evidence the most honest thing to say is that we dont know where the universe came from.

The dishonest thing would be to make up an explanation based on faith that god did it and it was my specific god and not the 1000 other gods. That is the defintion of intellectual dishonesty.

As for science. It basically means collective knowledge of humans and we have our methods that differentiate actual knowledge from superstitious voodoo. Your belief aparently falls under superstitious which is why you are using a computer which is built by science to bash science. Shame on you.
AS mentioned in the above post. For you, it's a power of nature. For us, it's the power of God. I won't ask you for Shame.
 

Vitamin_C

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
There no for you and for me in this world. We share the same reality and what holds true for me is also true for you. If its 28° in Orange County Los Angeles at a specific day and time in my world, that also holds true for yours.

We understand very well how viruses work and based on that understanding medical professionals are creating vaccines. We make accurate mathematical models to understand how fast it will spread make decisions to minimize the strain on healthcare systems. It is a natural process in my world as it is in yours. You are just wrong.

AS mentioned in the above post. For you, it's a power of nature. For us, it's the power of God. I won't ask you for Shame.
 

amm_jan

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
There no for you and for me in this world. We share the same reality and what holds true for me is also true for you. If its 28° in Orange County Los Angeles at a specific day and time in my world, that also holds true for yours.

We understand very well how viruses work and based on that understanding medical professionals are creating vaccines. We make accurate mathematical models to understand how fast it will spread make decisions to minimize the strain on healthcare systems. It is a natural process in my world as it is in yours. You are just wrong.
Everyone go through their own circumstances. 28 degree may someone bother more depending on the environment. Saying someone wrong is your opinion and it doesn't matter.
 

Vitamin_C

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Regardless of how you feel, temperature is 28° for everyone on the mercury scale.

Its a fact that every time we study a phenomena, the cause is always natural. People used to say that earthquakes are caused by a bull moving the earth from one horn to the other. Now we know its a natural process caused by movement of tectonic plates.

There is no phenomena that has ever been proven to be explained by supernatural explanantions. Based on prior probability the chances of you being correct is zero. That sir is not my opinion but its fact. James Randi offered $1,000,000 to anyone who can demonstrate any supernatural activity to him. Many swindlers, prophets, magicians, sorcerers came to him all turned out to be frauds. Same way who ever told you that Allah caused virus did a fraud with you, whether its your media, teachers or parents.

Everyone go through their own circumstances. 28 degree may someone bother more depending on the environment. Saying someone wrong is your opinion and it doesn't matter.