Can anyone confirm its authenticity?: Comparison of Army & Civilian Doctor Perks

zsheikh

MPA (400+ posts)
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Can anyone confirm this if it is correct or planted by YDA?



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Clear

Councller (250+ posts)
Young doakko can not compare themselves with army doctors because they have to goto at front line during war. These Young dakoo wants to lives in big city and want to suck poor people like vampires.
 

Nice2MU

President (40k+ posts)
yup i agree........army doctors have lots of facilities compared to doctor in civil setup


There is a big difference between the people who govern them i.e. Civilian Doctors are governed by Politicians whereas Army Doctors are governed by Army officers so why to blame Army for having more perks.....

If Politicians can spend Billions on full newspaper pages on their personal advertisment, their foreign trips, stupid projects like Laptop etc. etc.... Why are they not giving perks to Civil employees.

2ndly I think (please correct me if I am wrong) Army doctors in their service can't do private practice whereas Civilian doctors do their private practice so can earn extra money.

In addition to that Army generate their own money by various businesses like Askary Cement, Askary Bank, Army Walfer Trust, Army Public School etc. whereas can anyone tell me that what the civilian departments are doing? Civilian Departments are fully dependent on Tax payers' pocket.
 
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Atif Ijaz

Citizen
Absolutely behind YDA. Army doctors gets praise from you because they get all facilities and they should have. But what about YDA they have next to none. its just like students sitting in exam with fragile environment of studying. We blame doctors for any slight mistake but don't understand their relaxation in treatment.
 
An inside report from sectariat tells that Rs. 1.6 million per day was given to each newspaper and 450 million to each chanel for ads against doctors, which makes sense of all the propaganda beimg done by media against doctors. But no propaganda can break our unity. Long live ydap
 

sngilani

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Doctors in Pakistan should leave Pakistan and go abroad to earn money. This is called brain drain. Most already are working in US, Middle East and Europe. They may come back once governance situation in Pakistan improves.
 
Few things need to be made clear to public who has been mis-fed by media !

♥ we YDA people are Govt servants, not that "rich elite" kinda doctors doing private practices.

♥ we dintt demand pay increment as we know that Govt is already collapsing.
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♥ we demanded a Service structure, which means k "jesay har sector main aik specific period k baad merit se promotions hoti hen wesay hi hme bhi deal ...kia jae, because right now we need a "sifaarish" a strong one, for our rightful promotion etc.

♥ we were doing a peaceful protest, only Out Patient Dept was closed, also we wanted to attend patients on road camps but we were threatened by Govt's Ghundaas to harm the lady doctors.

♥ No patient died as we were attending the OPD patients in emergencies, Operation theatres were well-functional.

♥ when on 1 july 11:30 pm, Police powered by Punjaab Govt attacked us, (doing voilation of article 4 & 6 etc of constitution) brutaly tortured doctors, who are still under arrest and on "jismaani remand" we had no choice but to withdraw all our services as every doc is "caught at sight" as if we are terrorists.

♥ as doctors were arrested, tortured to cardiac arrest, their FAMILIES were harassed, beaten to fractures, MEDIA was also purchased which shows a dead baby because of brutal Govt's cruel acts as "due to heartless doctors". but does not show dr naeem in comma by police torture.

♥ please open your eyes, have you forgotten the planted interview of malik riaz?

♥ please support us !!
 

aq.inqalabi

Senator (1k+ posts)
thr is no need to prove anything , MashAllah every conscious person knows that ARMY is the most well payed institution in Pakistan, even after retirement the perks and privileges they have, no other institution has it in Pakistan.

BUT frankly i m not against it, the security institutions like ARMED FORCES and POLICE should always be payed well along with HEALTH and EDUCATION institutes. Unfortunately in Pakistan HEALTH and EDUCATION personals and institutes are treated like **** as compared to security institutes.

So we SHOULD NOT ask for cut in perks and privileges of security institutions rather we SHOULD ask for better service structure for HEALTH and EDUCATION institutions
 

Checkmate

Citizen
Army doctors private practice nahin krtay na hi private hospitals mein kaam kr k paisay kamatay hyn ........ Secondly BPS 17 walay lko jitna milta hy doctor agar BPS 17 mein ho to usay bakiyun se zyada dia jata hy
 

Checkmate

Citizen
@ Adil Zulfiqar... "♥ we dintt demand pay increment as we know that Govt is already collapsing.".

Dont tell lies.... doctors ne aakhir mein jo 3 mutalbaat pesh kiye hain wo sub paisay barhao ki base pr hyn......
 

Star Gazer

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
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Here are some facts for you: Please also tell me how or from what source you got your figures and facts.

Eligibility for doctors in the Army is the same as any where else if not.
1- Doctors inducted from civilian medical colleges are selected by a process. Those doctors have already achieved the standard for bein a doctor
2-Those doctors who are trained in the Army Medical college are about 80 every year and about 3000 to 5000 applicants apply each year and they have to go through a separate process of exams and tests. Minimum % required
to apply is70% of FSc. marks.
3-How can the average age be 20 years for army doctors when they join the Army after graduating from medical colleges in civilian society? They are on average 24 years or more depending how soon they graduate and when they want to
join. The upper limit for joining the Army used to be 33 years for doctors in past, if it has changed I don't know.
4- How can the age of a doctor be 20 years in army when they are selected to Army medical college after completing FSc. at age 17 or 18 years and then comnplete 5 years of studies just as in any other medical college? Average age is 23
years to 24 years.
5- Education is free, but there is a bond to serve in the Army for 7 years.If any one wants to leave sooner they hacve to pay for the expenses incured.
6- Armed forces personnel are given 2 tickets on 50% discount in a year. It is NOT every time they travel!
7- There are no reserved seats for the armed forces personnel in university in quotas any more. Quotas are reserved in universities on the basis of DOMICILE,e.g Dir,Turbat,Attock, Sakkhar etc.
8- As for pension and other monetary benefits are concerned, Army takes care and plans for it employees.If the civilian departments are careless and don't want to do it then hold them responsible and use Armed forces as a good example
rather than crib about it and make it seem the Advantage.

This comparison is also for the general public but this is factual NOT intended with any ulterior motive.

Any one who wants to join the Army is free to apply and 90% of those who are in the Armed forces are from the civilian society.

Please try to be simple and honest and check your facts before you present them for public consumption, otherwise you are doing a dis service to Armed forces AND the Civilian society also.
 

Star Gazer

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Young doakko can not compare themselves with army doctors because they have to goto at front line during war. These Young dakoo wants to lives in big city and want to suck poor people like vampires.


Given that the service structure is far better in the Army for doctors,but please the doctors in the civil society are also as much in need of money and respect and prestige as any one else.They have been cheated and lied to by the governments and thus probably are fed up now.
Please suggest some means for them to show their resentment other than Strike?
 

shaheedchoudry

Minister (2k+ posts)
This issue is not black and white. Our members have taken sides here. First YDA vs Punjab Govt and now Army doctors vs YDA.
Truth is always in the grey area. YDA demands are legitimate but govt lacks resources. Doctors should realize that they are in a poor country and do not compare with salaries of western country doctors. Doctors should never forget that their study was subsidized by the taxes of poor people.
Army doctors can't be compared with civilian doctors as its 100 times easy to get into an army medical college if you are a son or daughter of army officer. So in fact these army doctors may be good doctors also but in comparison to civilian doctors, they are very behind. They get paid well though. They got nice cars and excellent residence and all other facilities too.
Khuda ka Shukar karein.............k army civilian bastardssssss ka ilaaj karnay ko raza mand ho gayi hai.
 

Sedqal

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Few things need to be made clear to public who has been mis-fed by media !


♥ we YDA people are Govt servants, not that "rich elite" kinda doctors doing private practices.


♥ we dintt demand pay increment as we know that Govt is already collapsing.

...
♥ we demanded a Service structure, which means k "jesay har sector main aik specific period k baad merit se promotions hoti hen wesay hi hme bhi deal ...kia jae, because right now we need a "sifaarish" a strong one, for our rightful promotion etc.

♥ we were doing a peaceful protest, only Out Patient Dept was closed, also we wanted to attend patients on road camps but we were threatened by Govt's Ghundaas to harm the lady doctors.

♥ No patient died as we were attending the OPD patients in emergencies, Operation theatres were well-functional.

♥ when on 1 july 11:30 pm, Police powered by Punjaab Govt attacked us, (doing voilation of article 4 & 6 etc of constitution) brutaly tortured doctors, who are still under arrest and on "jismaani remand" we had no choice but to withdraw all our services as every doc is "caught at sight" as if we are terrorists.

♥ as doctors were arrested, tortured to cardiac arrest, their FAMILIES were harassed, beaten to fractures, MEDIA was also purchased which shows a dead baby because of brutal Govt's cruel acts as "due to heartless doctors". but does not show dr naeem in comma by police torture.

♥ please open your eyes, have you forgotten the planted interview of malik riaz?

♥ please support us !!

Another Propaganda post (Siasat.pk members should notice that ONLY PTI members are defending YDA, the public is cursing YDA]

we YDA people are Govt servants, not that "rich elite" kinda doctors doing private practices.
Doctors are getting the highest pay in grade 17, with 50 thousand pay + benefits they don't think they are rich (Look around you and you will find people with good degrees willing to work at half that pay)

we dintt demand pay increment as we know that Govt is already collapsing.
YDA 1st Demand: Doctors should be inducted at grade 18 - They demanded that EVERY doctor in grade 17 should be promoted to a higher grade [EVERY promoted doctor gets at least 20 thousand + salary and perks]
YDA 2nd Demand: Doctors
Health Professional Allowance should be made equal to basic pay [EVERY doctor gets additional $$$]
YDA 3rd Demand:
that stipends of postgraduate trainees should be increased to the level of medical officer [All post graduates get more Salary $$$]

- as you can see ALL the conditions are about $$$ the whole service structure is about $$$
- also see the cheap political point scoring about Punjab Govt! What about other provinces why no point scoring there?
-THESE ARE MODIFIED CONDITIONS ORIGINAL CONDITIONS ORIGINAL conditions revolved around cars, drivers, residences and utility bills

we demanded a Service structure, which means k "jesay har sector main aik specific period k baad merit se promotions hoti hen wesay hi hme bhi deal ...kia jae, because right now we need a "sifaarish" a strong one, for our rightful promotion etc.

Then why demand direct induction to grade 18, health professional allowance, post graduate stipends everything circling around $$$$

No patient died as we were attending the OPD patients in emergencies, Operation theatres were well-functional.
How many patients died last time when during strike all emergencies were closed down? that strike was for pay raise -- kitna ullo banao gey

♥ please support us !!
in your dreams - ssort out your behavior and greed first
 
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