APC Was To Show Support For Terrorists

molson4u

Senator (1k+ posts)
UPDATE: APC Was To Show Support For Terrorists

So another APC is over with bunch of idiots declaring unanimously to negotiate with Extreme elements like AL Qaeda and TTP in FATA and other tribal areas. Once again Pakistani media is feeding false analysis and claiming that Pakistani "Establishment" is on board. I bet you watch all the tv clips and see the facial and body language of the chief of Army staff. He was looking at the "fools" and thinking these are the only idiots who want to talk with terrorists especially when we have national security at risk. It's like you negotiating with a gangster so you can live in their protection in your own house. Does this make sense to you?

This is the idea of there own useless brain because ground reality is different.

18 percent of shia's in Pakistan will never agree to this proposal, 7 percent of minorities such as Christian, hindus and other will not agree with it. Rest 60 percent population is moderate who watch movies, watch porn, drink whiskey, go to music concerts and like dance by Rema. These ladies and gentleman call themselves moderate and liberals so you really think they care about Taliban? I am confused who these people in the APC really represent? Saudi wahabis? Yes, I guess so.

We, the 7th nuclear power, who have put the indian army and its power to their knees are scared of few thousand low life, uneducated, savage, saudi funded thugs commonly known as Tahreek-e- Taliban Pakistan. No way and that is not how establishments sees it. If you give up today, they will be all over the country as their sub branches like TTP, SSP, JM which are all working in every city of the country. Right now these TTP maggots are contained and the national agenda should be to find a way to eliminate them.... including use of force and chemical weapons if needed.

Although last 40 years we had a fight of Sate vs constitution and state has always prevailed. Without going into the fight, just for my readers a State is physical land protected by the establishment from all internal and external elements. The people living in the state form a "code of life" also called"constitution" and promise to abide by it within a system where people will elect there representatives to serve their interest. Problem happens where state and constitution collide and we know who wins.

We train our soldiers to protect the State. Billion of dollars are spent training NCO's to CO's loyality to state and teaching them that anyone who raises a gun on the state, endangers the security of the people or the that of the country is.... the enemy of the State and should be shot in the best interest of the state. Soldiers are never trained or programmed to negotiate. You either win like 1965 or lose like 1971.

Few days back on PMA passing out parade, the Chief of Army Staff said: We will never accept extremism and if a bunch of terrorists think that they will spread their faith with force, we will fight them till the end. This was a clear message that State will fight Saudi funded terrorists but the civil leader want peace with dialogue. They think what if taliban have have killed 40,000 Pakistani's still they are Muslims brothers and should be forgiven. Civil leaders have always provided soft corner for them and that is why this war cannot be won. Its like army is doing operation and public is supporting the people the who are terrorists...come on...get real!!!

APC over APC but result is zero. This APC also was a lip service to public as the most fundamental issues were not even discussed such as nationwide Sectarian violence, Shia Genocide in all parts of Pakistan, Minority abuse, target killing and the use of constitution. Reality is it is unless until we don't sit and decided on ground rules and follow them...nothing will happen.

First we have to define a terrorist. What i call a terrorist(TTP and subsidiaries) my friends call them " Freedom Fighters". Freedom from whom Pakistan? You and your dumb politicians don't see. Once America leaves, Pakistan is next on Taliban list and do you really don't see that someone is trying to destroy your state from our own people. Whatever you think you have to take concrete actions not verbal crap.

Most of the dummies elected don't have a vision and rest don't have a sense. Its far bigger than their little mind in which they want to tackle a international phenomena of "Terror" with Jarga and polite conversation. This non sense approach is because we Pakistani think everything is done by talking in a Muhalla, Jarga or Punchat. This is not your neighbor stealing your lamb where u can put your head together and find the thief. It's international politics where everyone is out to get you and as a nation you look for your own interests like the West.

Here is a solid proposal to consider:

1) Amend the constitution and declare FATA and tribal Area as the 6th province
2) promote democracy with election and let extremist participate
3) Provide Budget for that province so welfare can be done and we win the hearts of the people
4) All kind of terrorism be defined and then draft a anti terrorism act and passing stiff laws with death penalty
5) regulate bomb making materials like Nitrate and ball barrings like chemical supplies
6) Offer amnesty to all extremist elements if they give up gun and go through rehabilitation programs
7) Regulate all places of worship by licensing them after careful inspection
9) Only People with Master or or Phd in Islam or any other religion will be licensed to preach.
10) Pass a religious freedom act protecting the minorities while hard punishments for those who spread hate.
11) Moderate Education through media and school teaching character building.
12) Providing proper funding for Police force, training by SSG's for disciple and for basic terror training
13) All intelligence agencies connected to a central server where they can add and sharing live info
14) National finger print and DNA database to build criminal profiles
15) Total Ban on all extremist organization in Pakistan
16) Pass an effective money laundering and death penalty act
17) Make regulations for Banks to sent Income tax department a sign declaration of source for fund over RS. 50,000
18) Deport all illegal aliens of Islamic countries living in Pakistan to fight religious war
19) provide quick and fair trial to all terrorist with no appeals
20) discourage provincialism and promote federalism( No Punjab, Mahajir, Sindhi or anything...Just Pakistani)
21) educate people on providing anonymous tips on national hotline
22) Making a domestic civil Spy Agency to gather information
23) Share and receive info on international terrorist with other governments


The list can go on and on but for starters, this is start up. If the current Federal or provincial governments work on this blueprint I GUARANTEE YOU A TERROR FREE PAKISTAN WITHIN ONE YEAR, if not the fight will not end but Pakistan will.

UPDATE SEPT 16TH AND POINT PROVED:


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RAWALPINDI: Chief of Army Staff (COAS), General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani has emphasized that while it is understandable to give peace a chance through the political process, no one should have any misgivings that we would let terrorists coerce us into accepting their terms.

Army chief Kayani added the Pakistan Army had the capability and determination to fight terrorists and those responsible for the killing of officers would be brought to justice.

While reaffirming Army's support to the political process, the COAS also said, unequivocally, that terrorists will not be allowed to take advantage of it.

On Sunday, three military officers including two high-ranking officials of the Pakistan Army were killed in an IED blast in Upper Dir. The Tehreek-i-Taliban Pakistan claimed responsibility for the attack with spokesman Shahidullah Shahid setting terms for talks with the government. According to the spokesman, the army had to withdraw from FATA and Taliban prisoners released before talks would be initiated.
 
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drkjke

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
real purpose behind the so called dialogue with taliban?

shia and brailvi groups (sunni ittehad ) have threatened to protest against pak govts plan to hold talks with Taliban.they say that we only want war against taliban.....but these people don't know that pak eastablishment and its handler the americans are not sincere in these talks ,it seems very likely that these talks are an effort to create rifts and make splinter pro American groups in pakistani and afghan taliban .after america and pak establishment could not eliminate taliban by force (in 10 years) they seem to be using these deception methods that are more effective than using weapons.that is by greed and deception creating rifts among their enemy and making them fight among themselves.someone told this truth long ago , but who nowdays believes the people who don't speak govt sponsored "truth"?

i was startled to read a hint about this in mainstream news media also .and we know that mainstream media very very rarely speaks truth here...read below news

http://www.nawaiwaqt.com.pk/E-Paper/Lahore/2013-09-11/page-1/detail-25

ملا برادر کے معاملات سے واقف ایک شخصیت کے مطابق کچھ عرصہ قبل امریکی حکمت عملی تشکیل دینے والے مُصر تھے کہ ملا برادر کو ملا عمر کی جگہ افغان طالبان کا امیر مقرر کرایا جائے۔ یہ خواہش کرنے سے پہلے امریکی ایک اہم طالبان رہنما آغا جان معتصم کو زیر دام لا چکے تھے۔ آغا جان معتصم کراچی سے زخمی حالت میں گرفتار ہوئے، وہیں دوران علاج امریکیوں نے ان سے رابطہ کیا، ترکی منتقل کیا اور پرآسائش زندگی کی سہولتیں مہیا کیں۔ امریکیوں کا خیال تھا کہ ملا برادر کو بھی قابو کیا جاسکتا ہے لیکن ملا عمر کے معتمد اس جال میں نہیں پھنسے
۔




so sunni ittehad (brailvi) and shia parties must relax ,instead of threatening pakistani govt...if they are so keen to fight than why they send their own sons to study in england and uk and expect pak army to "sacrifice" their lives for them?very selfish of them!!

لاہور (خصوصی نامہ نگار) سنی اتحاد کونسل اور مجلس وحدت مسلمین امریکہ کی طرف سے شام پر ممکنہ حملے کے خلاف جمعة المبارک ملک بھر میں نماز جمعہ کے بعد احتجاجی ریلیاں اور جلوس نکالیں گی۔ اس امرکا اظہار سنی اتحاد کونسل پنجاب کے چیف آرگنائزر صاحبزادہ عمار سعید سلیمانی، صدر لاہور مفتی محمد حسیب قادری اور رانا شرافت علی قادری، مجلس وحدت مسلمین کے مرکزی سیکرٹری تربیت علامہ احمد اقبال رضوی، صوبائی سیکرٹری جنرل علامہ عبدالخالق اسدی اور ڈپٹی سیکرٹری جنرل پنجاب اسد عباس نقوی نے لاہور پریس کلب میں مشترکہ پریس کانفرنس سے خطاب کرتے ہوئے کیا۔ دونوں جماعتوں نے آل پارٹیزکانفرنس میں شمولیت کی دعوت نہ دینے پر سخت احتجاج کیا اور اسکے فیصلوںکو یک طرفہ قراردیتے ہوئے انہیں تسلیم کرنے سے انکارکردیا اورکہاکہ دہشت گردوں کے ساتھ مذاکرات غیر ذمہ دارانہ عمل ہے۔
(sunni ittehad council is same party whose deceased chief fazal karim admitted taking bribes in american dollars from american embassies to hold anti jihad rallies across pakistan)


anyway this shows how deeply pakistan is now in pocket of zionist forces.and when you are in zionists camp you no doubt are in line of fire of azaab e ilahi.

one thing is certain,that jihad fee sabililah for protection of deen e islam will continue,even if kufar and hypocrites use all the forces of satan in universe against the mujahideen...this will be a sign for those who are still genuinely doubtful that which party is on haq.

these days their is an organised effort to end even the remaining influence of islam from pakistan.some english papers these days are doing propoganda that indians found a "hidden" speech of quaid e azam and handed it over to pakistan ,and they claim that this speech contains the message that all angularities of minority and majority in pakistan will end .this is sort of like saying that and all religions will be merged into one in pakistani state...this is another organised attack against islamic ideology of pakistan ,which was no doubt the driving force behind real movemenet of pakistan.anyway with seculars in charge of pakistan establishment it seems that this nation may be heading on to turkeys way.

in even so called "right wing" newspapers like nawaiwaqt now the sectarian minded people like asad ullah ghalib ,asar chohaan (perhaps son of prithvi raaj chohaan the hindu) and other columnists now strictly demand an all out and "merciliess" operation against islamists in pakistan and to wipe them from pakistan so that the islamists cant impose their "uncivilised" ideology upon us! (astaghfirulah).
why they think like this?perhaps these columnist,s own kids are leading life of leisure and sin in america ,europe etc so they want to make pakistan islam free like america and europe ,so that their kids can be "proud" in front of their kufar masters.second reason maybe that most of these columnists have sectraian affiliations,like if someone belongs to anti mujahideen sect than he has hatred against them.these so called by name muslims have more hatred against islamists ( people striving for deen e islam) than american,s hatred against the same.

anyway this nation must not expect any blessings from Allah untill it is in camp of zionists against deen e islam.
 

Respect

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Talks with APC will NOT work, it is all topi drama the problems are way way deep rooted.

(1) Need to get out of this so called war in terror, resulting in stopping drones and asking foreign establishment people to leave, because they are part of the problem not solution.

(2) The leader of pakistan needs to take everyone in board that includes all political parties, army, media and religious scholors in Pakistan. Religious Scholors and Mulvies need to speak out aginst terrorism in one voice. Bring the Quran and Hadith on the fore front and intellectually destroy the terrorists ideology.

(3) Speak to the terrorists and see if through negotiations we can STOP them.

(4) Also which ever part drones have been hitting Pakistan our media over the last 10 years media needs to be taken there and highlight what the people have been gone through. Our leadership has to go there as well, and apologise to all those innocent people that have been effected due to this so called war in terror. Also Bulichstan needs to be highlighted through media and government and the truth needs to come out. Again our leadership needs to go there and politically try to solve the problems of Bulichstan.

(5) Get prepared for action against those who refuse to STOP fighting, a line that can be taken is by our leadership is to get in contact with Afghani Taliban and apologise for all our wrongdoings and see if we can get them to help us to kick TTP butts.

(6) Secetarian issues are related to innocent people getting killed as well, that should be addressed by reforming police and making sure the culprits are arrested and trailed.


But all of these points will our present leadership do?????????? problem so therefore I think APC is going to be a complete failure, or we can say it is already a failure.
 

molson4u

Senator (1k+ posts)
where are all the Pakistani think tanks and political well wishers? Maybe its too intellectual for Saisat.pk readers.
 

allahkebande

Minister (2k+ posts)
تحریک طالبان والوں کی تاریخ وعدہ خلافی سے بھری ہے لہذا ان سے کسی خیر کی امید رکھنا بے وقوفی ہے - چالیس ہزار پاکستانیوں کا خون اس بات کا گواہ ہے
 

molson4u

Senator (1k+ posts)
تحریک طالبان والوں کی تاریخ وعدہ خلافی سے بھری ہے لہذا ان سے کسی خیر کی امید رکھنا بے وقوفی ہے - چالیس ہزار پاکستانیوں کا خون اس بات کا گواہ ہے

and people still want to negociate with these animals...Pakistan nation has become a joke now.