American Efforts to Balkanize Pakistan-Baluchistan International Conference, Would U Reject it as Co

Wadaich

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
It is from Baluchistan International Conference. A bit older news may it seem but is still very relevant to the our plight.



 
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digitalzygot

Senator (1k+ posts)
USA isn't our friend and there's no reason to believe they are, it's not a hidden secret, we should openly declare war with USA just like Iran did. They are supporting international terrorism and the world is in a mess because of USA.
 

Raheem

Banned
USA isn't our friend and there's no reason to believe they are, it's not a hidden secret, we should openly declare war with USA just like Iran did. They are supporting international terrorism and the world is in a mess because of USA.
you are right
 

khanpanni

Minister (2k+ posts)
Why not an INTERNAIONAL CONFERENCE on Libya ? Same is the case with Boluchistan . Judge and ........ are occuping

the same seat. ( Creat wars in Islamic countries and occupy their resources, theory of newworld order ). people dont like this.
 

canadian

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
USA isn't our friend and there's no reason to believe they are, it's not a hidden secret, we should openly declare war with USA just like Iran did. They are supporting international terrorism and the world is in a mess because of USA.

I pray to God to give us honest and sincere leadership who should do all that what you are suggesting.
 

canadian

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
I belive Baluchistan is their prime target.That province has vast Mineral resources.It has borders with Iran and US wants to be there to look after the interest of their ally Israel.It also borders oil rich former Russian states which are of immence interest to US.Govt should immediately look into their discontent annd try to rectify the situation which is being exploited by US and India.Following article says it all.

Nexus of Conspiracies in Balochistan


Dr. Raja Muhammad Khan
Balochistan, the largest province of Pakistan, has immense geo-strategic significance in the emerging international political and economic order. Unfortunately, the prevalent sub nationalistic tendencies and militancy in the province have remained major concern for successive federal governments, who in turn had to resort to operations by security forces for curbing the fissiparous tendencies. For the fourth time in its history, Pakistan is facing an insurgency like situation in the Province. It is perceived that if the situation is not handled aptly, it may have serious repercussions for the country in general and the province in particular. Indeed, Pakistan’s security dynamics essentially relate to changing global environment and internal problems being faced by the country especially after it became a nuclear power in 1998 and in the post-9/11 scenario. Involvement of external forces in exploiting the issue is no more a secret. Major actors involved in the destabilization of the province include most of the regional countries and the former super powers of the cold war. Share and concerns of all these actors in the destabilization process are summarized below. Until 1990s, most of the sub-nationalistic groups of Balochistan were supported by former Soviet Union. Even the militant organisation; Balochistan Liberation Army (BLA) is basically a brainchild of KGB. It was built around the core of Baloch Students Organisation (BSO). Indeed there have been reasons to all this. During the entire period of cold war Pakistan was part of the Capitalist bloc under the US, which annoyed the next door neighbour; the former Soviet Union. The Communist country therefore in turn searched for and once found cultured its likeminded people in Balochistan, who never wanted the province to be part of Pakistan from the very inception of the country. India being part of Communist camp was also able to fuel the sentiments of these selfish sardars (feudals) against Pakistan. In this way India and Soviet Union had harmony of opinion against Pakistan right from its inception. After the Russian invasion of Afghanistan in 1979, Pakistan felt threatened and sided with the US and rest of the world and Islamic bloc against Russia. Moreover during this campaign the Soviet Union was surprised by the ability and resourcefulness of Pakistan to generate a quick and effective resistance movement in Afghanistan. Therefore to punish Pakistan and to answer back in the same currency, Kremlin decided to create instability in Pakistan through its intelligence setup. It organised and funded most of the sabotage activities in Pakistan. It attracted a number of Baloch Sardars in the guise of higher education and polluted their minds against Pakistan in the process. Many tribal elders of the province also took refuge in Russia during counter insurgency operations. Upon its disintegration in 1991, Russian Federation lowered its guard and covertly allowed India to take on the anti-Pakistan activities in early 1990s. The infamous Indian intelligence agency, the Research and Analysis Wing; RAW, has a history of involvement in the affairs of Pakistan. Indeed, the creation of this very spying network was aimed at destabilization of all the regional countries, especially Pakistan. In reality its first victim was East Pakistan; now Bangladesh, where initially through Mukti Bhanis and later through aggressive military actions, India disintegrated Pakistan in December 1971. In order to destabilise Pakistan, India has never missed a chance in using the soil of all the regional countries having geographical linkages with Pakistan under various ploys. One such location is Zahidan; the capital of the Irani province “Sistan-o-Balochistan”, which is bordering Pakistan. As an estimate, over two million Balochis live on the Iranian side of Balochistan. The opening of her consulate in Zahidan, in the vicinity of Balochistan was directly aimed at its involvement in the domestic affairs of the province through promotion of the sub-nationalistic sentiments. In the wording of Afshin Afzal, “Indian Consulate General in Zahidan and Indian Embassy in Tehran have become Indian intelligence agency RAW’s breeding ground for agents. Diplomats of Indian Embassy in Tehran and Consulate General in Zahidan were photographed holding confidential meetings with leaders of Mujahideen-e-Khalq and Jandolla group in Dubai and Zarang, Afghanistan”. It is not all about; India is manning five consulates and dozens of covert offices in different cities of Iran, all being used for the spying missions, mainly against Pakistan. As a part of its global agenda, India is securing its Sea Lines of Communication (SLOC) as most of her trade with the world is through the Persian Gulf and the Red Sea. The strategically located Gwadar port affords an opportunity to Pakistan’s Navy to effectively interfere with her SLOC in any future conflict. Moreover the unanimous opposition of the Gwadar port by India, Iran and the local Baloch sardars creates much concern for Pakistan and has repeatedly strengthened the apprehensions that India is supporting the ongoing Baloch insurgency in its entirety. The inclination of Baloch leaders towards India has enhanced the chances of ill-designed activities. Sub-nationalists are being supported by them who are running the ongoing insurgency in Balochistan while sitting either in Afghanistan or India. Moreover, all training to the Afghan intelligence agencies is also being imparted by RAW, which also is supporting financially and militarily armed outfits like Balochistan Liberation Army (BLA) and Balochistan Revolutionary Army (BRA). The bases of these outfits are set up in Kandahar and Nimroz, Afghanistan where their men are being trained. Besides India, there always have been strained relations between Afghanistan and Pakistan in their entire history. Afghanistan opposed the membership of Pakistan to the UN. This act was followed by convening of ‘Loya Jirga’ on 26th July 1949, in Kabul, which declared Durand Line agreement null and void. The subsequent Afghan governments continue beating the drums of need for re-demarcation of the boundaries. Owing to this interest, Afghan government supported the anti-Pakistan insurgents in Balochistan during the insurgencies of 1958 and 1973. They were given refuge in Afghanistan besides supporting their activities. Apart from the historical connections, the current government in Kabul is actively supporting the sub-nationalists in Balochistan and harbouring and abetting the Indians to fuel the insurgency in the province. Presence of Brahamdagh Bugti and Zamaran Marri and a huge number of anti-Pakistan training camps inside Afghan territory is an open secret. All is being done with the consent of present Afghan government and its collaboration with the Indians. Moreover, it can be conveniently added that Afghanistan is providing safe bases/platform to the RAW elements that are supporting the Baloch separatist elements by all means. Afghanistan also assented India to open at least six consulates along the Pak-Afghan border. These consulates are being used for launching and regulating the terrorist activities inside Pakistan, especially in FATA, and in parts of Balochistan. With regards to Iran, there have been unfriendly relationships between Iran and the Sardars of Balochistan. Fearful of an expansion of the problem to its own part of Baloch populated areas; the “Sistan-o-Balochistan”, Iran did not support the Pakistani Baloch’s fissiparous tendencies until the end of cold war or the disintegration of former Soviet Union. In the post-Afghan war era (1991 onwards), Iran felt marginalized in the regional politics due to Pakistan’s tilt towards Taliban and in the subsequent years, considered the development of Gwadar port in the Balochistan as a threat to its economic interests as well. Upon commencement of initial designing and construction work of the Gwadar port by Chinese companies, as contracted by Government of Pakistan, Iran instantaneously planned to develop its own port at Chahbahar with the help of India. It has also contracted India to construct 213 km long road to connect this Iranian port with Afghanistan and then on to Central Asia. India indeed is eyeing this Iranian port as its own shortest route to Central Asian markets through warm water and may be able to act as a counter balance to Chinese influence in Gwadar. Over the years, Iran’s differences with Pakistan in securing its interests in Afghanistan coupled with the economic interests resulted into an enhanced gulf between the two traditionally very close neighbours. The Gwadar project further enhanced the Pak-China relationship. China; an emerging global power, has provided a large sum of technical and financial assistance for the project. For China, the Gwadar port will not only allow it to diversify its crude oil import routes and extend its presence in the Indian Ocean, but it would also allow the Chinese to more easily monitor US naval activity in the region. China is obviously concerned with the impact of violence on their sizeable investment in Gwadar. China’s interest in the Gwadar project stems from the port’s proximity to the Strait of Hormuz. A base at Gwadar enables China to secure the flow of its oil, 60% of its energy supplies come from the Middle East, through the strait. With all these developments and its presence in Afghanistan, it is highly unlikely that US is unaware of anti-Pakistan activities by above mentioned actors. Its baffling silence over all these is questionable. However US and India are collaborating deeply in Afghanistan and has strategic alliance in the regional politics. It is understood that US would not like China to engage into more development projects in Balochistan. Already by developing the Gwadar port and roads in Balochistan, China is ultimately helping itself by creating a convenient conduit for commerce that would connect China concurrently with Central Asia, South Asia, Middle East, thus having its influence all around. Through its silence and collaboration with India, it is perceived that US desires to keep its options open to play a future role in the regional politics. The possibility of supporting the secessionist Baloch movement in Iran by US cannot be ruled out which would have repercussions for Pakistan as well. Moreover, Washington favours the creation of a “Greater Balochistan” which would integrate the Baloch areas of Pakistan with those of Iran and possibly the Southern tip of Afghanistan, thereby leading to a process of political fracturing in both Iran and Pakistan. Recent unrest in Iran may prove a prelude to the future strategy of United States. Some of the analysts foresee the current US policy in the region as to counter the growing involvement of China in Balochistan’s development projects. Britain and other European countries have provided political exile to a number of the sub-nationalists of Balochistan. As a reference; in November 1979, a number of Marri and Mengals went into voluntary political exile in Europe and some of them are still there. Javed Mengal son of Ataullah Mengal and Hyrbyair Marri son of Khair Bux Marri are supporting the ongoing insurgency in Balochistan while sitting in Britain and other European countries. In spite of Pakistan’s intimate relationship with all Gulf States, Gwadar port is being viewed as rival to Dubai. Some of the GCC states have the feeling that Gwadar would dominate and neutralize the significance of all surrounding ports of the Gulf countries therefore have shown their concerns. Even a number of Baloch insurgents are also operating from the GCC States, which really bothers Pakistan. In spite of having sufficient proofs, over the years, Pakistan has been extra gracious in making accusations regarding deep rooted involvement of regional and global actors, especially India, in the destabilisation of Balochistan. On its part, India perhaps took this mystifying silence as the weakness of Pakistan or else thought, the former is unaware or unable to notice its conspiracies in the province and throughout in Pakistan. As highlighted by Mr. Christine Fair of the RAND Corporation in the US magazine, “Foreign Affairs” of March – 2009, during his visit of the consulate in his private meeting with the Indian officials of the Zahidan Consulate, he learnt that Indians are not issuing the visas, but “are pumping money into Balochistan.” The security environment in Balochistan has necessitated a correct perception of threat analysis which would lead us to formulate correct policies for the future of the Province in particular and Pakistan in general. At the same time world community, especially United States, must avoid playing great games in the region by making use of Pakistani borders, willingly or otherwise. We had suffered enough and let’s there be an end to the miseries for the people of Pakistan. International community must also fulfill its obligations to keep a balance in the region by discouraging anti-Pakistan activities by all those involved in the destabilisation of Balochistan, in particular India.
Email: [email protected](http://facttruth.wordpress.com/2010/04/27/nexus-of-conspiracies-in-balochistan/)
 

canadian

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Why not an INTERNAIONAL CONFERENCE on Libya ? Same is the case with Boluchistan . Judge and ........ are occuping

the same seat. ( Creat wars in Islamic countries and occupy their resources, theory of newworld order ). people dont like this.

That's because our Leadership are their sold out stooges !!
 

Wadaich

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Why not an INTERNAIONAL CONFERENCE on Libya ? Same is the case with Boluchistan . Judge and ........ are occuping

the same seat. ( Creat wars in Islamic countries and occupy their resources, theory of newworld order ). people dont like this.

Hay Jurm-e-Zaifi Marg-e-Mafajat.
 

khanpanni

Minister (2k+ posts)
That's because our Leadership are their sold out stooges !!

I think thay can get( their loins shares in under dveloped countries) through open policy and peaceful means . Modern technology has given the public great

awareness. General public wants to improve their standerd of living by media information. They easily analyze day t day current affairs

because of media. So the rich countres should come forward and help the poor of the poorest to become humain beings.


To seach stooges and come via backyards is an old version . When innocet people are being killed for nothing then they start

abusing UAS and western cuntries. For example they got stooges in libya plus conference and after words they will boom them when they

change their position against the master. Perhaps Gadaffi dont want western and NATO is imposing their setup and same is the

case with our Boluchistan. In this friction poor peole are the victims and escalation increases and get roots.

PEACE IS THE REMEDY OF ALL EVILS OUR RELIGION ISLAM AND UNO SAY THE SAME.
 

khanpanni

Minister (2k+ posts)
Hay Jurm-e-Zaifi Marg-e-Mafajat.

برادرم ۔ھے ظلم زیادتی مرگ مفاجات ناگہاں ۔بالکل ٹھیک ھے۔
ظلم رھے اور امن بھی ھو کیا یہ ممکن ھے خود ھی کہو ۔

;) ویسے تو مان نہ مان امریکہ ھم تیرے رزکارانہ غلام ۔
 

M Ali Khan

Minister (2k+ posts)
Not sure how many of siasat.pk members have read this article about the chaos and confusion in Balochistan

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/mar/29/balochistan-pakistans-secret-dirty-war

But the fact is, NO ONE in our media talks about the brutality in Balochistan, which is often committed by both Baloch separatists in their increasingly racially motivated attacks on non-Baloch (usually Punjabis or Urdu speakers) as well as the hundreds (if not thousands) of missing people from Balochistan taken away forcibly by our ISI, FIA, MI, IB boys, kept in horrible detention without any charge, only to be found months later with bullet holes in their tortured bodies thrown at the side of some road. The Army has been doing this for decades, and has intensified this abduct-discard activity in last 10 years (thank you Musharraf!).

Each day 3-4 such bodies are found and duly noted by various Baloch websites like the nationalist/separatist Baloch Sarmachar and rather brilliant independent news website The Baloch Hal. We often forget that Baloch nationalism, including the ones that say Balochistan is 'under occupation by Pakistan' since 1947 is not confined to 'Sardar-ordered villagers' but also part of a growing and educated Baloch middle class from places like Quetta, Khuzdar, Nushki etc.
 

canadian

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Not sure how many of siasat.pk members have read this article about the chaos and confusion in Balochistan

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/mar/29/balochistan-pakistans-secret-dirty-war

But the fact is, NO ONE in our media talks about the brutality in Balochistan, which is often committed by both Baloch separatists in their increasingly racially motivated attacks on non-Baloch (usually Punjabis or Urdu speakers) as well as the hundreds (if not thousands) of missing people from Balochistan taken away forcibly by our ISI, FIA, MI, IB boys, kept in horrible detention without any charge, only to be found months later with bullet holes in their tortured bodies thrown at the side of some road. The Army has been doing this for decades, and has intensified this abduct-discard activity in last 10 years (thank you Musharraf!).

Each day 3-4 such bodies are found and duly noted by various Baloch websites like the nationalist/separatist Baloch Sarmachar and rather brilliant independent news website The Baloch Hal. We often forget that Baloch nationalism, including the ones that say Balochistan is 'under occupation by Pakistan' since 1947 is not confined to 'Sardar-ordered villagers' but also part of a growing and educated Baloch middle class from places like Quetta, Khuzdar, Nushki etc.

Bro,
Baluchistan was a very peaceful province as my father who was in civil service served there in a senior position.We knew Nawab Akber Bugti very well who always used to come and meet him in Lahore long after my father retired from service.He was a very pro Pakistani guy.In thos days we went to lot of places and there was no problem whatsover. People were very hospitable and loving.This all started sometime probably during Zia's regime when there was interfearence and things got from bad to worse.Political problems should be sorted out by politicians, you cannot impose something against the will of the local population.To cut the story short,during Musharraf's time worst type of crimes were committed and Akbar Bughti was killed .Taking advantage of greivances of the locals India and then Afghanistan (at the behest of India) started creating problems there.Iran is also involved and there is a big mess out there.So far no proper steps have been taken to ally their local problems and fears and I am afraid things are going from bad to worse.
 

M Ali Khan

Minister (2k+ posts)
It only takes a spark to start a fire in a whole forest ;)

After decades of exploitation, unemployment, fauji haqoomat, operations, and what not...it all takes a spark to start a fire!
 

Imranpak

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
The fact of the matter is that Islamabad has contributed very little to the developement of Balochistan hence the increasing resentment amongst the masses. There is little employment or opportunity in the region that fuels anger towards the rest of the country in particular the Punjabis who are seen as the ruling elite.

On the other hand we have the ignorant Sardar's who only care about themselves and want to continue with their backward system that has no room in society. They are ant-education and anti-progress deflecting the attention to Islamabad for all the suffering in the region. The Baloch only wants peace and progress in the region that every government has failed to deliver for many decades.

Independance from Pakistan is not an option, a bigger power like Russia or the USA would invade and takeover within a matter of weeks!