All indian requested to see this.please get awareness. Video !

[khanpanni]

ALL INDIAN REQUESTED TO SEE THIS.PLEASE GET AWARENESS.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46M9UndCoTc&feature=player_detailpage#t=4s


After watching this video, you might have understood who made

this where we are standing now ???

 

[contra]

1. This is absolute bunk. I don't know whether the statement of Macaulay's is genuine, but i don't agree with the statement at all.

2. The statement says: there are no beggars or thieves in India, people have high moral standards.
a) There have always been beggars in India, this is well documented.

b) India is famous for thieves. You have a whole tribe whose trade was thievery. You must have heard of the term "Thugs", these were professional thieves. All the members of this group were thieves.

c) High moral standards: a nation where a whole group of people, Dalits, are treated so badly, and not even given basic human rights, how can such a nation have High moral standards?

3. A simple point is that if the internal workings of this nation were right or strong i.e., if we had our house in order, nobody from outside could have dominated us.

4. spiritual and cultural heritage: do you all know that the language of scholars was different from that of the common man?
And what spirituality? You discriminate against a whole group of people, if spirituality couldn't cure you of this, then it is obviously flawed.
Cultural heritage: all the wealth was deposited in temples. It was not used for the betterment of people. This is a major flaw of Indian culture, and unfortunately this stupid practice continues today.

5. replace culture, whatever is foreign and english should be considered good: this doesn't hold for long. People can see through this. eg. we know that the western culture is not perfect.

 

[Unicorn]

Thanks for posting the message. I am not sure what the message is I think the Indian guy wants the recognition that he bought East Indian Company so congratulations to the Indian guy, it used to bother me everyday every hour after this massage I am completely cured of my pain.

I don't know if Gen McCullough forgot Mir Jaffar and Mir Sadaq before he made his speech.

 

[jujuju]

contra your critique spot on. but everything was not so bad. i think in the mughal period when the bhakti kaal started there was lots of reform movements which presage the european enlightenment. when one reads kabir or Guru Nanak or bulleh shah one can see strong strains of european enlightenment thinking. so i am not all hopeless. maybe if we had been a free nation these cultures of free rational and enlightened thinking could have led india to a much much better place.

when kabir wrote:
kaankar pathar jori ke masjid diyo chunay
ta chadi mullah bang de, kya bahira hua khuday

dont you think these joker right wing would have claimed he committed blasphemy and murdered him. but indian society not only tolerated kabir in that century, rather he became an important secular progressive thinker. execpt for gender issues kabir was almot post modernist. i dont understand punjabi very well, but i have heard that bulleh shah also wrote a lot of "blashphemous stuff".

1. This is absolute bunk. I don't know whether the statement of Macaulay's is genuine, but i don't agree with the statement at all.

2. The statement says: there are no beggars or thieves in India, people have high moral standards.
a) There have always been beggars in India, this is well documented.

b) India is famous for thieves. You have a whole tribe whose trade was thievery. You must have heard of the term "Thugs", these were professional thieves. All the members of this group were thieves.

c) High moral standards: a nation where a whole group of people, Dalits, are treated so badly, and not even given basic human rights, how can such a nation have High moral standards?

3. A simple point is that if the internal workings of this nation were right or strong i.e., if we had our house in order, nobody from outside could have dominated us.

4. spiritual and cultural heritage: do you all know that the language of scholars was different from that of the common man?
And what spirituality? You discriminate against a whole group of people, if spirituality couldn't cure you of this, then it is obviously flawed.
Cultural heritage: all the wealth was deposited in temples. It was not used for the betterment of people. This is a major flaw of Indian culture, and unfortunately this stupid practice continues today.

5. replace culture, whatever is foreign and english should be considered good: this doesn't hold for long. People can see through this. eg. we know that the western culture is not perfect.

 

[chandbibi]

How easy it is to critique something. I guess social reformers and social reform movements like the Brahmo samaj in bengal and Mahatma Phule ,Dhondo keshav Karve, in Maharashtra to name a few don't make any dent. Social reform can only be achieved in a forward looking community. At the same time, what is forward looking? Do we ape the west because it all looks very good. Manu's laws are no longer valid today, and hence the reforms. We have tried copying the british constitution and justice system in the hope that it will take us along the path of equality for all. Conversely we have a Babasaheb Ambedkar writing a newborn India's constitution. We have an issue with reservations, and yet we have a mandal commission too. This is what we have to battle to come out stronger. It will take time, but this is samudra manthan(ocean churning) happening. Only those who tread the path of fairness shall survive ? Only time will tell.

 

[contra]

contra your critique spot on. but everything was not so bad. i think in the mughal period when the bhakti kaal started there was lots of reform movements which presage the european enlightenment. when one reads kabir or Guru Nanak or bulleh shah one can see strong strains of european enlightenment thinking. so i am not all hopeless. maybe if we had been a free nation these cultures of free rational and enlightened thinking could have led india to a much much better place.

when kabir wrote:
kaankar pathar jori ke masjid diyo chunay
ta chadi mullah bang de, kya bahira hua khuday

dont you think these joker right wing would have claimed he committed blasphemy and murdered him. but indian society not only tolerated kabir in that century, rather he became an important secular progressive thinker. execpt for gender issues kabir was almot post modernist. i dont understand punjabi very well, but i have heard that bulleh shah also wrote a lot of "blashphemous stuff".

hi,
1. You are right, there were reformers.
But the fact remains that their impact was limited. They were at best exceptions, not the norm, and hence we see these social evils still exist.

2. The good thing about Indian religions is the concept of avatars etc. i.e. gods taking human form and coming to earth.
This single concept has helped us a lot.

 

[contra]

How easy it is to critique something. I guess social reformers and social reform movements like the Brahmo samaj in bengal and Mahatma Phule ,Dhondo keshav Karve, in Maharashtra to name a few don't make any dent. Social reform can only be achieved in a forward looking community. At the same time, what is forward looking? Do we ape the west because it all looks very good. Manu's laws are no longer valid today, and hence the reforms. We have tried copying the british constitution and justice system in the hope that it will take us along the path of equality for all. Conversely we have a Babasaheb Ambedkar writing a newborn India's constitution. We have an issue with reservations, and yet we have a mandal commission too. This is what we have to battle to come out stronger. It will take time, but this is samudra manthan(ocean churning) happening. Only those who tread the path of fairness shall survive ? Only time will tell.

hi,
What you have written is correct, but, these people were exceptions and their impact was limited.

 

[chandbibi]

It was not limited. I am benefited by it and my grandmother was benefited by it and all the future generations born in my family will be benefited by this change. Social change never occurs overnight. It takes its own course. The more we talk about these issues the more awareness gets generated. Have you seen the current crop of serials on some of our channels. Most of them are addressing prevalent issues in society. Given that the penetration of TV is widening in rural india, there is bound to be an impact in the long run. The govt. of maharashtra has recently announced benefits for the third born girl child in the family. One of the participants in big boss gulabo sapera is a rajasthani folk dancer who comes from a community where a girl child is buried alive. She was buried alive too, but was rescued by her maternal aunt at the behest of her mother and raised by her aunt. A strong social message gets flashed when you raise these issues in public fora. Definitely we have ills in our society, but atleast we are facing these issues head on and have a will to bring about social equity. So do not take this as a dead cause. It is very much alive. And dont ever think less of all these social reformers who have given us a reason to be human today.:)

hi,
What you have written is correct, but, these people were expections and their impact was limited.

 

[only_truths]

I agree with Contra, Unicorn, Chandbibi and Jujuju ( I was almost missing to add one more ju). Reformers may be small in numbers but followers are growing by the day. As Chandbibi has said, girl child issue is becoming prominent and people are more aware of this. Already it is making an impact , the best example is in my family where after two girl child they were happy with that. Now it is the girl child which is making headlines for the family.

Followers over a period of time become reformers themselves creating more followers.