Ahl-e-Sunnat's belief on Imam Mehdi

[Mobashir Ahmed]

 

[gorgias]

بے شک اہل سنت امام مہدی پر ایمان رکھتے ہیں اور انہوں نے پیدا ہونا ہے۔لیکن وہ امام جو خوش اخلاق ہوگا۔۔ وہ امام نہیں ،جو کہے کہ؛ ’’مجھے نہ ماننے والئے کنجریوں کی اولاد ہیں‘‘۔۔

 

[Ali raza babar]

بے شک اہل سنت امام مہدی پر ایمان رکھتے ہیں اور انہوں نے پیدا ہونا ہے۔لیکن وہ امام جو خوش اخلاق ہوگا۔۔ وہ امام نہیں ،جو کہے کہ؛ ’’مجھے نہ ماننے والئے کنجریوں کی اولاد ہیں‘‘۔۔

Neither sunnis nor Shias know a damn thing about the truth of the Mahdi.

 

[I Love Muhammad (PBUH)]

بے شک اہل سنت امام مہدی پر ایمان رکھتے ہیں اور انہوں نے پیدا ہونا ہے۔لیکن وہ امام جو خوش اخلاق ہوگا۔۔ وہ امام نہیں ،جو کہے کہ؛ ’’مجھے نہ ماننے والئے کنجریوں کی اولاد ہیں‘‘۔۔

Just tell me who will appoint him ? and will it be necessary to accept him ?

 

[yahoo2002]

Just tell me who will appoint him ? and will it be necessary to accept him ?

Jaahilon waale sawaal karna chor do.....

emergence of Isa, mehdi and dajjal will be major events in history of mankind and will not go unnoticed ....unlike your false paindu messiah.

In any case our religion does not revolve around the Jesus or Mahdi phenomenon......it will happen when it will happen.....Our deen is complete regardless.

 

[lurker]

The Messiahs arrive, but the previous religion never recognize them. When Isa came, the Jews didn't recognize him. When Muhammad(saw) came, the Christians and Jews didn't recognize him. When the Messiah or Mahdi arrives, Islam too will not recognize him. History always repeats itself.

 

[yahoo2002]

The Messiahs arrive, but the previous religion never recognize them. When Isa came, the Jews didn't recognize him. When Muhammad(saw) came, the Christians and Jews didn't recognize him. When the Messiah or Mahdi arrives, Islam too will not recognize him. History always repeats itself.

Nice try, the only problem is that Islam is the final religion until the end of times......

Role of messiah will be to counter the false messiah(dajjal) and make the jews and Christians realise their folly.
Role of Mahdi will be to lead and unite the muslims worldwide and wage war against the armies of Dajjal.

sorry your paindu massiah does not measure up

 

[I Love Muhammad (PBUH)]

Jaahilon waale sawaal karna chor do.....

emergence of Isa, mehdi and dajjal will be major events in history of mankind and will not go unnoticed ....unlike your false paindu messiah.

In any case our religion does not revolve around the Jesus or Mahdi phenomenon......it will happen when it will happen.....Our deen is complete regardless.

Blaaa blaa blaa but have no courage to answer the question.

You have heard fairy tale stories so keep waiting for Isa (as) who will kill pigs all over the world , by the way it will take centuries to kill millions of pigs all over the world and then he will come back to sort out your issues , Oh sorry he has too break the cross all over the world , man you guys need to wait really long even if he arrive tomorrow flying from the skies

 

[I Love Muhammad (PBUH)]

Nice try, the only problem is that Islam is the final religion until the end of times......

Role of messiah will be to counter the false messiah(dajjal) and make the jews and Christians realise their folly.
Role of Mahdi will be to lead and unite the muslims worldwide and wage war against the armies of Dajjal.

sorry your paindu massiah does not measure up

After all the killings in muslim world by muslims ,your thrust is not finished yet so wait for Khuni mahdi who will kill every one . Why Allah will send a mahdi to do killing while he can destroy through earth quake .

 

[Mughal1]

 

[gorgias]

Just tell me who will appoint him ? and will it be necessary to accept him ?

اچھا یہ بتائیں مرزا قادیانی مہدی اپوائنٹ ہو اہے یا نبی؟

 

[I Love Muhammad (PBUH)]

اچھا یہ بتائیں مرزا قادیانی مہدی اپوائنٹ ہو اہے یا نبی؟

Forget about us , we are declared non muslims , story finished .

Now minimum think about your own belief .

Prophet Muhammad pbuh is last prophet and no prophet will come after him , but then slowly says Hazrat Isa(as) will come as a prophet . so will he not be the last prophet ?

Allah has stopped speaking to his people (no proof from hadit and quran but molvi sahib says so let it be ) now please think who will ask Hazrat Isa (as) to come down to earth?

Hazrat Isa( as) dont know anything about Quran but will be an ummati prophet ? What kind of a prophet will be he who does not know even Quarn ?


And lastly Who will appoint Imam Mahdi ? DO you seriously think a person from Shia belief will be accepted by other sects ? or a person from talibaan will be accepted by sunni muslims ?

My friend , open your mind and think about these things . Since you have heard every thing against us so obviously you are not going to listen to me but when you get time please think peacefully without prejudice , dont you have the same belief as ours ? you are waiting for a prophet and we have accepted it . We both agree he will be umati but you want to bring back a dead prophet just to prove your stance .

 

[yahoo2002]

Blaaa blaa blaa but have no courage to answer the question.

You have heard fairy tale stories so keep waiting for Isa (as) who will kill pigs all over the world , by the way it will take centuries to kill millions of pigs all over the world and then he will come back to sort out your issues , Oh sorry he has too break the cross all over the world , man you guys need to wait really long even if he arrive tomorrow flying from the skies

Answer was already given you fool !!......watch the first video of this thread where the scholar quoted ahadeedh.

I believe the hadith you are referring to is :

[FONT=&quot]Narrated Abu Huraira:
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[FONT=&quot]Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "The Hour will not be established until the son of Mary (i.e. Jesus) descends amongst you as a just ruler, he will break the cross, kill the pigs, and abolish the Jizya tax. Money will be in abundance so that nobody will accept it (as charitable gifts).
http://sunnah.com/bukhari/46/37

Dont worry how Isa(as) will break the cross or kill the pigs......it may or may not have a literal meaning. Some prophecies cannot be understood until an appointed time.
More important is to note that Jesus will Descend as a "just ruler" and world will have so much wealth that no one will be left to accept charity......
Has this happened yet ????
sorry mate you have been duped by a failed paindu massiah.
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[gorgias]

Forget about us , we are declared non muslims , story finished .

Now minimum think about your own belief .

Prophet Muhammad pbuh is last prophet and no prophet will come after him , but then slowly says Hazrat Isa(as) will come as a prophet . so will he not be the last prophet ?

Allah has stopped speaking to his people (no proof from hadit and quran but molvi sahib says so let it be ) now please think who will ask Hazrat Isa (as) to come down to earth?

Hazrat Isa( as) dont know anything about Quran but will be an ummati prophet ? What kind of a prophet will be he who does not know even Quarn ?


And lastly Who will appoint Imam Mahdi ? DO you seriously think a person from Shia belief will be accepted by other sects ? or a person from talibaan will be accepted by sunni muslims ?

My friend , open your mind and think about these things . Since you have heard every thing against us so obviously you are not going to listen to me but when you get time please think peacefully without prejudice , dont you have the same belief as ours ? you are waiting for a prophet and we have accepted it . We both agree he will be umati but you want to bring back a dead prophet just to prove your stance .

جب آپ نان مسلم ہیں تو بات ہی ختم۔۔۔

اور آپ حضرت عیسیٰ کی تو بات ہی ناں کریں۔۔ آپ کے مہدی یا نبی نے تو انہیں پہلی زندگی پر کوئی اچھے الفاظ میں یاد نہیں کیا۔۔اور حضرت مریم کے کردار پر سوالات کھڑے کر دئے تو دوبارہ آپ انہیں کیسے برداشت کر سکیں گے۔۔

 

[lurker]

Nice try, the only problem is that Islam is the final religion until the end of times......

Role of messiah will be to counter the false messiah(dajjal) and make the jews and Christians realise their folly.
Role of Mahdi will be to lead and unite the muslims worldwide and wage war against the armies of Dajjal.

sorry your paindu massiah does not measure up

Judaism is the FINAL religion for Jews. Christianity is the Final religion for Christians. Islam is the Final religion for Muslims. Since no religion has ever affirmed their own messiahs, I doubt Islam will acknowledge their own messiahs and mahdis. The Orthodoxy will never allow it. If Jesus does indeed come back, He will have to have a new Religion, because Christians won't accept it him and Muslims will neither and Jews have already rejected him once before. If a Mahdi comes forth, he too will never be accepted. Because we Muslims are just not the accepting types.

I don't have any Messiah. I don't even suffer from any Messiah complex. I think Religion has its uses and its a tool.

 

[yahoo2002]

After all the killings in muslim world by muslims ,your thrust is not finished yet so wait for Khuni mahdi who will kill every one . Why Allah will send a mahdi to do killing while he can destroy through earth quake .

Such a childish argument does not even deserve a reply.
why Allah did this and not that??? I dont know ask Allah !!!

btw muslims have been killing each other ever since the Prophet (saw) passed away....so i dont really see your point
and where did anyone say that Mahdi will kill everyone ???

 

[yahoo2002]

Judaism is the FINAL religion for Jews. Christianity is the Final religion for Christians. Islam is the Final religion for Muslims. Since no religion has ever affirmed their own messiahs, I doubt Islam will acknowledge their own messiahs and mahdis. The Orthodoxy will never allow it. If Jesus does indeed come back, He will have to have a new Religion, because Christians won't accept it him and Muslims will neither and Jews have already rejected him once before. If a Mahdi comes forth, he too will never be accepted. Because we Muslims are just not the accepting types.

I don't have any Messiah. I don't even suffer from any Messiah complex. I think Religion has its uses and its a tool.

oh I apologize.....you dont even believe in any religion
so you have nothing to worry about since you are not even part of the equation......

 

[SachGoee]

بے شک اہل سنت امام مہدی پر ایمان رکھتے ہیں اور انہوں نے پیدا ہونا ہے۔لیکن وہ امام جو خوش اخلاق ہوگا۔۔ وہ امام نہیں ،جو کہے کہ؛ ’’مجھے نہ ماننے والئے کنجریوں کی اولاد ہیں‘‘۔۔

Jaahilon waale sawaal karna chor do.....

emergence of Isa, mehdi and dajjal will be major events in history of mankind and will not go unnoticed ....unlike your false paindu messiah.

In any case our religion does not revolve around the Jesus or Mahdi phenomenon......it will happen when it will happen.....Our deen is complete regardless.

Nice try, the only problem is that Islam is the final religion until the end of times......

Role of messiah will be to counter the false messiah(dajjal) and make the jews and Christians realise their folly.
Role of Mahdi will be to lead and unite the muslims worldwide and wage war against the armies of Dajjal.

sorry your paindu massiah does not measure up

اچھا یہ بتائیں مرزا قادیانی مہدی اپوائنٹ ہو اہے یا نبی؟

Answer was already given you fool !!......watch the first video of this thread where the scholar quoted ahadeedh.

I believe the hadith you are referring to is :

[FONT=&quot]Narrated Abu Huraira:
[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "The Hour will not be established until the son of Mary (i.e. Jesus) descends amongst you as a just ruler, he will break the cross, kill the pigs, and abolish the Jizya tax. Money will be in abundance so that nobody will accept it (as charitable gifts).
http://sunnah.com/bukhari/46/37

Dont worry how Isa(as) will break the cross or kill the pigs......it may or may not have a literal meaning. Some prophecies cannot be understood until an appointed time.
More important is to note that Jesus will Descend as a "just ruler" and world will have so much wealth that no one will be left to accept charity......
Has this happened yet ????
sorry mate you have been duped by a failed paindu massiah.
[/FONT]

جب آپ نان مسلم ہیں تو بات ہی ختم۔۔۔

اور آپ حضرت عیسیٰ کی تو بات ہی ناں کریں۔۔ آپ کے مہدی یا نبی نے تو انہیں پہلی زندگی پر کوئی اچھے الفاظ میں یاد نہیں کیا۔۔اور حضرت مریم کے کردار پر سوالات کھڑے کر دئے تو دوبارہ آپ انہیں کیسے برداشت کر سکیں گے۔۔

Such a childish argument does not even deserve a reply.
why Allah did this and not that??? I dont know ask Allah !!!

btw muslims have been killing each other ever since the Prophet (saw) passed away....so i dont really see your point
and where did anyone say that Mahdi will kill everyone ???

مسیح اور مہدی کا زمانہ اور بزرگان

(۱) صاحب کشف بزرگ حضرت نعمت اللہ ولی (۷۲۹تا ۸۳۴ھ)

آپ نے اپنے مشہور فارسی قصیدہ میں آخری زمانہ کے حالات بیان فرمائے ہیں۔ آپ نے لکھا:۔

غین ری سال چوں گزشت ازسال
بوالعجب کاروبار می بینم

مہدی وقت و عیسیٰ دوراں

ہر دو را شاہسوار می بینم

ترجمہ: جب غین رے یعنی ۱۲۰۰ سال گزر جائیں گے اس وقت مجھے عجیب و غریب واقعات ظاہر ہوتے نظر آتے ہیں۔ مہدی وقت اور عیسیٰ دوراں ہر دو کو میں شاہسوار ہوتے دیکھتا ہوں۔ (اربعین فی احوال المہدیین مرتبہ محمد اسماعیل شہید صفحہ۲ و ۴ مطبوعہ ۱۲۶۸ھ)

واضح ہو کہ مسیح اور مہدی چودھویں صدی کے سر پر آنے والے ایک ہی موعود کے دو لقب ہیں جیسے فرمایا:

لَاالْمَھْدِیُّ اِلَّا عِیْسٰی بنُ مَرْیَمَ (ابن ماجہ کتاب الفتن باب شدۃ الزمان)
یعنی مسیح ابن مریم کے علاوہ کوئی مہدی نہیں ہوگا۔

(۲) حضرت حافظ برخوردار صاحب (۹۸۵ تا ۱۰۹۳ھ)

پچھے ہک ہزار دے گزرے ترے سو سال
حضرت مہدی ظاہر ہوسی کرسی عدل کمال

(قلمی نسخہ انواع صفحہ۱۴ از حضرت حافظ برخودار صاحب)

(۳) حضرت شاہ ولی اللہ محدث دہلوی (۱۱۱۴ھ تا ۱۱۷۵ھ)

عَلَّمَنِیْ رَبّیِ جَلَّ جَلَالُہٗ اَنَّ القَیَامَةَ قَدِ اقْتَرَبَتْ وَالْمَھْدِیُّ تَھَیَّا لِلْخُرُوْجِ (التفہیمات الالٰہیہ جلد ۲ صفحہ ۱۶۰ تفہیم نمبر ۱۴۶ شاہ ولی اللہ اکیڈمی دہلی)

ترجمہ: خدا تعالیٰ نے مجھے بتایا ہے کہ قیامت قریب آ چکی ہے اور مہدی کا ظہور ہوا چاہتا ہے۔

پھر مولانا نواب صدیق حسن خان صاحب حضرت شاہ ولی اللہ محدث دہلوی کے متعلق لکھتے ہیں۔

حضرت شاہ ولی اللہ نے امام مہدی علیہ السلام کی تاریخ ظہوری لفظ چراغ دین میں بیان فرمائی ہے جو کہ حروف ابجد کے لحاظ سے ایک ہزار دو سو اڑسٹھ ؁۱۲۶۸ھ ہے۔ (حجج الکرامۃ فی آثار القیامہ صفحہ۴ ۳۹ از نواب صدیق حسن خان مطبع شاہجہانی بھوپال)
(۴) حضرت شاہ عبدالعزیز (؁۱۱۵۹ھ تا ؁۱۲۳۹ھ)

بعد بارہ سو ہجری کے حضرت مہدی کا انتظار چاہیئے اور شروع صدی میں حضرت کی پیدائش ہے۔ (اربعین فی احوال المہدیین مرتبہ محمد اسماعیل شہید صفحہ آخر مطبوعہ ؁۱۲۶۸ھ)
(۵) الشیخ علی اصغر البرو جروی (پیدائش ؁۱۲۳۱ھ)

اندر صرغی اگربمانی زندہ ملک و ملک و ملت و دین برگردد
کہ سال صرغی میں اگر زندہ رہا تو ملک و ملک و دین میں ایک انقلاب آ جائے گا۔ صرغی کے اعداد بحساب ابجد ۱۳۰۰ بنتے ہیں۔ (نورالا نوار از شیخ علی اصغر صفحہ ۲۱۵مطبوعہ؁۱۳۲۸ھ)

(۶) مولانا نواب صدیق حسن خان(؁۱۲۴۸ھ تا ؁۱۳۰۷ھ)

i ۔

بعض مشائخ اور اہل علم کے نزدیک امام مہدی کا ظہور بارہ سو سال ہجری کے بعد ہو گا لیکن تیرہ سو سال سے تجاوز نہیں کرے گا۔ (حجج الکرامہ صفحہ ۳۹۴ مطبع شاہجہانی بھوپال مطبوعہ ۱۲۹۱ ؁ھ)
ii ۔ پھر لکھتے ہیں

اب مدت دَہ ماہ کی ختم تیرھویں صدی کو باقی ہے پھر ۱۳۰۱ھ اور ۱۸۸۴ء سے چودھویں صدی شروع ہو گی اور نزول عیسیٰؑ و ظہور مہدی و خروج دجال اوّل صدی میں ہو گا۔ (ترجمان وہابیہ صفحہ ۴۱۔ ۴۲ از نواب صدیق حسن خان مطبع محمدی لاہور ۱۳۱۲ ھ)
(۷) ابوالخیر نواب نورالحسن خان
آپ نے ؁۱۳۰۱ھ میں لکھا:۔

ظہور مہدیؑ کا شروع تیرھویں صدی پر ہونا چاہیئے تھا مگر یہ صدی پوری گئی مگر مہدی نہ آئے اب چودھویں صدی ہمارے سر پر آئی ہے۔۔۔شاید اللہ تعالیٰ اپنا فضل و عدل رحم و کرم فرمائے۔ چار چھ برس کے اندر مہدی ظاہر ہو جاویں۔ (اقتراب الساعۃ صفحہ ۲۲۱ از نواب نورالحسن خان مطبع مفید عام ؁۱۳۰۱ھ)
(۸) علامہ سید محمد عبدالحی لکھنوی

آپ نے؁۱۳۰۱ھ میں لکھا:۔

اب چودھویں صدی آ گئی ہے۔ چھ ماہ گزر گئے ہیں۔ اس صدی کا یہ پہلا سال ہے دیکھیئے کون سے طاق سال میں تشریف لاتے ہیں۔ (حدیث الغاشیہ عن الفتن الخالیہ و الغاشیہ صفحہ ۳۵۰ مطبع سعید المطابع بنارس؁۱۳۰۹ھ)
(۹) حضرت حکیم سید محمد حسن صاحب رئیس امروہہ

آپ نے ؁۱۳۰۶ھ میں لکھا:۔

پس ان (امام مہدی) کی تشریف آوری اکیس سال بعد اس ؁۱۳۰۶ھ سے ہونے والی ہے۔ واللہ اعلم بالصواب(کواکب درّیہ از حکیم سید محمد حسن صاحب رئیس امروہہ صفحہ ۱۵۵ مطبع سید المطابع امروہہ)
(۱۰) مولانا عبدالغفور مصنف النجم الثاقب

آپ نے؁۱۳۱۰ھ میں لکھا:۔

البتہ زمانہ بعشت مہدی کا یہی ہے (النجم الثاقب حصہ دوم صفحہ ۲۳۳ ابوالحسنات محمد عبدالغفور مطبوعہ پٹنہ)
(۱۱) خواجہ حسن نظامی (؁۱۲۹۶ھ تا ۱۳۷۴ ؁ھ )

اس میں کوئی شک نہیں کہ جو آثار اور نشانات مقدس کتابوں میں مہدی آخر الزمان کیلئے بیان کئے گئے ہیں وہ آج کل ہم کو روز روشن کی طرح صاف نظر آ رہے ہیں مجبوراً تسلیم کرنا پڑتا ہے کہ زمانہ ظہور خیر البشر بعد از رسول حضرت محمد بن عبداللہ مہدی آخر الزمان علیہ الصلوٰۃ والسلام قریب آ گیا۔ (کتاب الامر۔ امام مہدی کے انصار اور ان کے فرائض صفحہ ۳ از خواجہ حسن نظامی ؁۱۹۱۲ء)

 

[yahoo2002]

Forget about us , we are declared non muslims , story finished .

Now minimum think about your own belief .

Prophet Muhammad pbuh is last prophet and no prophet will come after him , but then slowly says Hazrat Isa(as) will come as a prophet . so will he not be the last prophet ?

Allah has stopped speaking to his people (no proof from hadit and quran but molvi sahib says so let it be ) now please think who will ask Hazrat Isa (as) to come down to earth?

Hazrat Isa( as) dont know anything about Quran but will be an ummati prophet ? What kind of a prophet will be he who does not know even Quarn ?


And lastly Who will appoint Imam Mahdi ? DO you seriously think a person from Shia belief will be accepted by other sects ? or a person from talibaan will be accepted by sunni muslims ?

My friend , open your mind and think about these things . Since you have heard every thing against us so obviously you are not going to listen to me but when you get time please think peacefully without prejudice , dont you have the same belief as ours ? you are waiting for a prophet and we have accepted it . We both agree he will be umati but you want to bring back a dead prophet just to prove your stance .

So...who was born about 600 years earlier ??? Isa(ra) or Mohammad(saw) ??

Christians believe that Jesus himself will come back to earth as their savior.....not some other paindu person as Messiah
Muslims believe similar ..... not because of Mullah but because of authentic Prophecies of Holy Prophet (saw).

No doubt process of revelation(wahi) stoppped with the passing away of Muhammad(saw) and is confirmed by authentic ahadeeth and not because of mullah or conjecture.

Then again a Paindu self proclaimed Messiah cum prophet cum mahdi was able to receive divine revelation through an entity called "Tichi Tichi" .....lol....sorry mate I didnt make it up...your Ghulam Mirza said it himself..lol

 

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oh I apologize.....you dont even believe in any religion
so you have nothing to worry about since you are not even part of the equation......

Thanks for the Apology. However I do have to worry about these ... these religion because I happen to live in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan. Now if Pakistan was a Secular state this wouldn't even be a discussion that I would entertain.