After oil wealth depletes the development of maritime power along Muslim countries coastline from we

shaikh

Minister (2k+ posts)
The real strength of the Muslim community over the last 1300 plus years has been faith in Allah and a true message which crosses the barrier of Race. But as humans have to live amongst humans several factors have been responsible for Muslims being the most prominent rulers of the known world for two and a half times , spanning about 600 years atleast.

The early Umayyads recognized the importance of seas and Muaviya and others gave Muslims the victory of "Battle of the Masts" which removed Byzantines as the sole power of the seas.

Similarly Ottoman sultans made good navies and dominated seas but in my view Mughals did not understand the importance of controlling seas till Aurengzeb came but it was too late and in which Portuguese, English and Dutch did well. Even now apart from Somali pirates no one in Islamic community is understanding the importance of seas.

Muslim countries today have six weapons :-

1) Population and area (1/4th humanity at 2 billion and atleast 30 countries
2) Oil wealth
3) Coast line extending from just above Liberia in West Africa to entire upper africa , red sea , many parts of indian ocean, persian gulf and atleast two or three other small seas . The Muslim coast line is atleast 21000 miles and spans across most important trade lanes of the world.
4) Education
5) A nuclear power like Pakistan.
6) Centralized systems like monarchies and dictatorships in some countries as Muslims did well under sultans i.e centralized powers.

One of the reasons Musharaf was kicked out was his idea disliked by west of launching Nuclear weapon armed submarines . This idea is very fatal to western domination as Many countries in Muslim coastline can develop such offensive weapons from Senegal to Morocco to Red sea to Indian ocean to far East , all reversing important trade routes .
 
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Liberal 000

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
What about Christian Coastline ?......... almost entire world coastlines barring Japan, China ,India and Muslim countries

What about Kafir Population ? ........ China , India and Japan almost half of Humanity

What about Russia ? ............... Russia got more land than all Muslim countries combined



Its better for you to think as human instead of putting yourself into a cage
 

Moula

MPA (400+ posts)
and musharaf told you this?. who is responsible for all the mess today inside pakistan. wow.(cry):lol::biggthumpup::mash:
 
Is this some kind of Comedy or Fantasy? biggest thing lacking is the unity and trust between these all Muslim Countries. Not a single country take side with Pakistan over Kashmir issue or all Muslim world for Palestinians you talking about Muslim Unity. Plus which Muslim King even counted in top conquer like Alexander, Khan, etc or Muslim Empire was advanced in its time like Romans, Egyptian etc.

Till today indian get more preference than Pakistani you call this Muslim alliance. All non arabs treated as dogs in arab countries and you talk about equality.

Kia pidy or kia Pidy ka Sorba.

I think author is very seriously living in his own dream world.
 

zzubairkhalid

Councller (250+ posts)
a total jackal of our history who claims that and hidden in head somewhere when he was threatened and ran for exit door once impeachment threats were looming and this is own version of commando....
 
What about Christian Coastline ?......... almost entire world coastlines barring Japan, China ,India and Muslim countries

What about Kafir Population ? ........ China , India and Japan almost half of Humanity

What about Russia ? ............... Russia got more land than all Muslim countries combined



Its better for you to think as human instead of putting yourself into a cage


this close mindset is keeping them still in middle ages .
 

shaikh

Minister (2k+ posts)
What about Christian Coastline ?......... almost entire world coastlines barring Japan, China ,India and Muslim countries

What about Kafir Population ? ........ China , India and Japan almost half of Humanity

What about Russia ? ............... Russia got more land than all Muslim countries combined



Its better for you to think as human instead of putting yourself into a cage

Humanity these days is more after male to male marriage and with its supporters being Cameron , Obama and many others , what is the future of human race with these guys , is there any .
 

shaikh

Minister (2k+ posts)
Is this some kind of Comedy or Fantasy? biggest thing lacking is the unity and trust between these all Muslim Countries. Not a single country take side with Pakistan over Kashmir issue or all Muslim world for Palestinians you talking about Muslim Unity. Plus which Muslim King even counted in top conquer like Alexander, Khan, etc or Muslim Empire was advanced in its time like Romans, Egyptian etc.

Till today indian get more preference than Pakistani you call this Muslim alliance. All non arabs treated as dogs in arab countries and you talk about equality.

Kia pidy or kia Pidy ka Sorba.

I think author is very seriously living in his own dream world.

Which world are you living in , the Umayads had empire from spain to afghanistan , Ottoman in the peak ruled what is now 34 countries , Muslims never had dearth of conquerers , massive Muslim empires existed in Africa as well as well as central asia .

Having a navy merchant and military is not a pure military idea , God has given Muslims control of 21000 miles of best type of coastline of the world where about 1/3 to 1/2 of world trade passes .
 

shaikh

Minister (2k+ posts)
a total jackal of our history who claims that and hidden in head somewhere when he was threatened and ran for exit door once impeachment threats were looming and this is own version of commando....

what's wrong with pen and neurons may I dare ,
 

dawasherpa

Banned
Which world are you living in , the Umayads had empire from spain to afghanistan , Ottoman in the peak ruled what is now 34 countries , Muslims never had dearth of conquerers , massive Muslim empires existed in Africa as well as well as central asia .

Having a navy merchant and military is not a pure military idea , God has given Muslims control of 21000 miles of best type of coastline of the world where about 1/3 to 1/2 of world trade passes .

come out of your dream world of past , don't try to build dreams on your wishful thinking , once upon a time sun did not set in english raj they have compromised now with america , whatever happens pakistan will have no stake in empire of muslim ummah if by chance it comes in to existence .see where you stand in modern times .

sorry to prick your bubble of dreams .pakistanis do not have character which builds empire ,you are destined for the role of third fiddle that is role of bakhshoo .
 

Moula

MPA (400+ posts)
zia ul haq !
that was not a question. i was talking about mushrf.trust me there was no ? mark in the end. i dont support zia he was goon too. extreme left. along with mushraf goon. extreme right.(cry):biggthumpup::alhamd:. we dont need mullay on both sides either in liberals or religious.:mash:
 

shaikh

Minister (2k+ posts)
Building good navies and commercial shipping is even now in reach of many Muslim counties in this 21000 miles of coastline , at least five to six Muslim countries can afford to have good fleet of submarines and even mini aircraft careers within 10 years , it is not far fetched idea , resources are either there already or they are expected .
 

asifA1

Minister (2k+ posts)
Author made a good point about Navies and no use of its strength by ay muslim country to date including Pakistan! But the point noted is Musherif was a aggressive politician + Army General as lacking by Pakistan currently for blunders of Pml-N.
 

shaikh

Minister (2k+ posts)
As a side line , musharaf's close friends think that the idea of arming submarines with nuclear weapons is what got Musharaf out apart from efforts of kiani to create distrust between Musharaf and USA , however Musharaf's enemies think that his giving away to USA and his leaning to appoint a new chief with Qadiani connections got him out . My view is that he was not a man of details and lost the game.At the height of antimusharaf campaign some even questioned his faith and claimed he is of Bahai faith and actually regularly goes to their services in Islamabad , and so on and on .

The problem with nuclear submarine idea for west is that you can serve other countries on tariff as well without actually transferring nuclear technology.This they see not worthy of us menials so get Indian on afghan border tease us endlessly.
 
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Author made a good point about Navies and no use of its strength by ay muslim country to date including Pakistan! But the point noted is Musherif was a aggressive politician + Army General as lacking by Pakistan currently for blunders of Pml-N.


pakistan's economy depends fully on foreign debt ,how can one think of aligning with muslim powers when they do not give even visa to pakistanis to enter their lands , those having oil consider pakistan a second grade member of muslim umma.
 
Which world are you living in , the Umayads had empire from spain to afghanistan , Ottoman in the peak ruled what is now 34 countries , Muslims never had dearth of conquerers , massive Muslim empires existed in Africa as well as well as central asia .

Having a navy merchant and military is not a pure military idea , God has given Muslims control of 21000 miles of best type of coastline of the world where about 1/3 to 1/2 of world trade passes .


forget novels of nasim hejaji .
no umayyad , abbasi or ottoman is coming to help pakistan , pakistanis are no considered awwal number muslims they are lesser in front of arabs.
 
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Is this some kind of Comedy or Fantasy? biggest thing lacking is the unity and trust between these all Muslim Countries. Not a single country take side with Pakistan over Kashmir issue or all Muslim world for Palestinians you talking about Muslim Unity. Plus which Muslim King even counted in top conquer like Alexander, Khan, etc or Muslim Empire was advanced in its time like Romans, Egyptian etc.

Till today indian get more preference than Pakistani you call this Muslim alliance. All non arabs treated as dogs in arab countries and you talk about equality.

Kia pidy or kia Pidy ka Sorba.

I think author is very seriously living in his own dream world.


really a comedy of fools .:lol::lol::lol:
 

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