a possible way to save SOUTHERN PUNJAB from floods

ramses2x1

MPA (400+ posts)
guys .. the first thing to be sure about a scarifice cow is .. she / he been fed on clean food ( rizq-e-halal) .. so FR doesnt qualify .. he has been eating haram all his life .. but yeah we should get rid off these bast--ds .. to pay off the collective sin as a nation we have committed
 

active4pk

Voter (50+ posts)
Best idea will be to invite Maulana Diesel on Halwa party... he will definitely come even if he has to swim across the flood water
 

A.Ali.T

Minister (2k+ posts)
No one is against all Dams. They are against just one Dam i.e. Kala Bagh Dam.

Are you against Kala Bagh Dam or are you against the hardships caused by this dam to three smaller provinces. Instead of throwing baby out with the bath water, we must address real issues caused by this dam.

There is lot of mistrust amongst four provinces. The three smaller provinces do not trust one larger province, Punjab, for which all of us are suffering. We must have an open, rational dialogue on this issue and must come to some reasonable solution. We just cannot put off this project forever.

Since we don't have enough dams to store water, India always use this excuse to steal our water, and international community buys India's argument and does not support us on this matter.

I think Punjab will have to play a key and more generous role in this issue to remove all the qualms of smaller provinces. I don't know how it will be done, but somehow Punjab will have to ensure smaller provinces that they will get their fair share of water and will have to remove other apprehensions also. If we cannot accomplish that, all our water and electricity problems will be over, otherwise things will be very difficult in future.
 

GeoG

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Are you against Kala Bagh Dam or are you against the hardships caused by this dam to three smaller provinces. Instead of throwing baby out with the bath water, we must address real issues caused by this dam.

There is lot of mistrust amongst four provinces. The three smaller provinces do not trust one larger province, Punjab, for which all of us are suffering. We must have an open, rational dialogue on this issue and must come to some reasonable solution. We just cannot put off this project forever.

Since we don't have enough dams to store water, India always use this excuse to steal our water, and international community buys India's argument and does not support us on this matter.

I think Punjab will have to play a key and more generous role in this issue to remove all the qualms of smaller provinces. I don't know how it will be done, but somehow Punjab will have to ensure smaller provinces that they will get their fair share of water and will have to remove other apprehensions also. If we cannot accomplish that, all our water and electricity problems will be over, otherwise things will be very difficult in future.

Good to hear a sane voice.
However it is not a problem of big province small province but problem of politicians of small provinces who have gone to no return position with their statements against the KB Dam.

MQM will support Kala Bagh Dam in future, you know why, not becasue for thier sudden found love for Punjabis but becasue of the cost of electricity, 40 percent unpaid, highest in the country.

 

Aijazahmed

Minister (2k+ posts)
Are you against Kala Bagh Dam or are you against the hardships caused by this dam to three smaller provinces. Instead of throwing baby out with the bath water, we must address real issues caused by this dam.

There is lot of mistrust amongst four provinces. The three smaller provinces do not trust one larger province, Punjab, for which all of us are suffering. We must have an open, rational dialogue on this issue and must come to some reasonable solution. We just cannot put off this project forever.

Since we don't have enough dams to store water, India always use this excuse to steal our water, and international community buys India's argument and does not support us on this matter.

I think Punjab will have to play a key and more generous role in this issue to remove all the qualms of smaller provinces. I don't know how it will be done, but somehow Punjab will have to ensure smaller provinces that they will get their fair share of water and will have to remove other apprehensions also. If we cannot accomplish that, all our water and electricity problems will be over, otherwise things will be very difficult in future.
Yes , I am 100% against Kala Bagh Dam.
There are many reasons for that, technical, political and social. If I narrate them here, another conflict will start among us and I want to avoid any confrontation in this volatile situation and especially in the holy month. Leave it for some other time but this is for sure we need to build dams but NO Kala Bagh Dam.
MQM will never support Kala Bagh Dam. Their voters always pay the electricity bill. Only illegal residents don't pay.
 
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Night-Hawk

Senator (1k+ posts)
Yes , I am 100% against Kala Bagh Dam.
There are many reasons for that, technical, political and social. If I narrate them here, another conflict will start among us and I want to avoid any confrontation in this volatile situation and especially in the holy month. Leave it for some other time but this is for sure we need to build dams but NO Kala Bagh Dam.
MQM will never support Kala Bagh Dam. Their voters always pay the electricity bill. Only illegal residents don't pay.

Please tell us the technical reasons only ==== political and social issues are mere hogwash
 

Night-Hawk

Senator (1k+ posts)
Political and social issues are not hogwash, they are as vulnerable as technical.

Alright then give Indians an excuse to tap our waters in Kashmir , because our impotent nation will be bogged down in dealing with domestic political and social issues. A brutal stick of an Englishman would have tamed us as nation otherwise we are an aimless herd of a nation. I remember the stories of Mullahs of our district inciting for Jehad against the British for laying of railroads across the subcontinent. But GORAS did that by force and now no one condemns them in retrospect. Instead we find an element of gratitude.
 

A.Ali.T

Minister (2k+ posts)
Political and social issues are not hogwash, they are as vulnerable as technical.

I think, social, political, technical and ecological, all issues are very important and should be dealt with extreme prudence. It will be very callous of us if we just ignore them as hogwash. It is a very touchy issue and it must be dealt with accordingly without wasting more time. I am sure this problem can be resolved to everyone's satisfaction.
 

GeoG

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Please tell us the technical reasons only ==== political and social issues are mere hogwash

He will not tell you anything, technical, political or social, because his party stance has changed in last few weeks but more importantly he has no logical reasons.
 

Night-Hawk

Senator (1k+ posts)
I think, social, political, technical and ecological, all issues are very important and should be dealt with extreme prudence. It will be very callous of us if we just ignore them as hogwash. It is a very touchy issue and it must be dealt with accordingly without wasting more time. I am sure this problem can be resolved to everyone's satisfaction.

برادرم علی جس ملک میں آج تک یہ فیصلہ نہ ہو سکے کہ کونسا نظام بہتر ہے یعنی اسلامی نظام پارلیمانی نظام ڈکٹیٹر شپ یا صدارتی نظام
جس ملک کے عوام چوروں لٹیروں اور ڈاکوؤں کو چن کر پارلیمنٹ میں بھیجیں
جس ملک میں ان لوگوں کو لیڈر مانا جاۓ جو اس ملک کی ساخت اور بنیاد کو ہی حرام اور غلط کہتے ہوں
جس ملک کے باقی تمام صوبوں اور خاص کر پنجاب کے باسیوں کو یہ پتا ہی ناں ہو کے بلوچستان میں کونسی آگ لگی ہوئی ہے اور وہ لوگ کیا چاہتے ہیں؟
جس ملک میں آج تک قومی زبان اور اسکی اہمیت کا بھی ملک گیر احساس نہ ہو ؟
جس ملک میں لسانیت کی بنیاد پر سیاسی جماعتیں وجود میں آئیں اور خدا کی مخلوق میں ایک نہ ختم ہونے والی منافرت پیدا کریں
جس ملک کے ان پڑھ عوام کو ڈیم کی افادیت اور اہمیت کا اندازہ ہی نہ ہو اور وہ بجلی کے مہنگے بل دے کر خود کشی کو ترجیح دیں تاکہ ڈیم نہ بن سکیں
جس ملک کے لٹیرے لیڈر عوام کو رینٹل پاور کے سہانے سپنے دیکھائیں اور مہنگائی کے استرے سے انکی کھال کھینچیں
تو اس قوم کو آپ سو سال بھی مزید دے دیں تو یہ سدھرے گی نہیں لیکن افسوس کہ ہمارے پاس شائد اتنا وقت نہیں ہے
میں نے یہ باتیں اردو میں اس لیے لکھی ہیں کہ کمین صفت ہندوستانی ہماری حالت زار دیکھ کر بغلیں نہ بجاتے رھیں
 
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Aijazahmed

Minister (2k+ posts)
Alright then give Indians an excuse to tap our waters in Kashmir , because our impotent nation will be bogged down in dealing with domestic political and social issues. A brutal stick of an Englishman would have tamed us as nation otherwise we are an aimless herd of a nation. I remember the stories of Mullahs of our district inciting for Jehad against the British for laying of railroads across the subcontinent. But GORAS did that by force and now no one condemns them in retrospect. Instead we find an element of gratitude.
No need to give any excuse to Indians. There is an immense need to minimize the trust deficit between the provinces. I am again saying new dams are inevitable but not Kala Bagh Dam.
I can give you all the logical reasons against it. But I like to play ;) with some stupids in this thread. Let them:banghead::banghead:.
You are exception. I am sure you are capable enough to find out the truth.
 
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