502 Park Rawalpindi under siege of blind commercialism (Raise your Voice to Save our Park)

Musafir123

Senator (1k+ posts)
Although at one hand we are being appreciated worldwide for gaining momentum in our Billion Tree Tsunami in KPK, whereby on the other hand, our healthy recreational spaces amidst our densely populated areas are under the threat of extinction by the Government owned commercial institutions.

Just as water, sewer, and public safety are considered essential public services, parks are vitally important to establishing and maintaining the quality of life in a community, ensuring the health of families and youth, and contributing to the
economic and environmental well-being of a community and a region.

The 502 Workshop Park is the only public park serving the most dense population of the city of Rawalpindi. This ground has been surrounded by the areas of Lalazar, Sherzaman, Adayala Road, Lalkurti, New Lalazar, Harley Street, Dehri, Tali Mori and Kalamabad.

In 2006, a part of this park was taken over by Army Welfare Trust (AWT) to build its Askari residential scheme. Now another big chunk of the park is going to have an APS college built on it. This is now becoming intolerable for the residents of the nearby areas, as they are being deprived of a healthy recreational facility.

Yesterday, we saw a protest by the residents of the locality who are the frequent visitors of the park.

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The protesters came out on the roads while holding placards and banners, asking some very serious questions

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The question in the above picture is really a point to ponder for everyone.

Is the city of Rawalpindi really deprived of education institutions? where there are already numerous quality education institutes are at a stone's throw distance. It appears that the commercial interests of the Defence Welfare Organizations are taking over the Welfare interests of the People of Pakistan.

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In all around the world, in modern urban planning and development, parks and recreational facilities are deemed as necessary. No urban colony is built without having a proper park, which should be capable to serve the needs of the surrounding population.

Parks ensure that the children and the adults are given a place for a healthy entertainment. Perhaps it is the only way to get in touch with the nature in these densely populated areas where concrete has reshaped everything around us.

These parks are also necessary from the environmental perspective as well.

The protest has not been given coverage in the mainstream media, but we do raise our voice over the social media.

We demand that the decision of constructing a college at the Park should be reviewed and people of the locality should not be deprived of a healthy recreational facility over the cost of blind commercialism. Rather, we ought to make more spaces like these parks to promote a healthy lifestyle in our communities.

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Will_Bite

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
502 workshop is EMEs property. Their decision. If the people are protesting, they should do so against pindi local govt
 

Musafir123

Senator (1k+ posts)
502 workshop is EMEs property. Their decision. If the people are protesting, they should do so against pindi local govt

Who is EME to claim it as their property? have they paid for it? or are they authorized to sale it to APS?

The land belongs to RCB. They should reconsider the development under the urban development guidelines. There are enough educational institutes in the area, but parks.
 

Will_Bite

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Who is EME to claim it as their property? have they paid for it? or are they authorized to sale it to APS?

The land belongs to RCB. They should reconsider the development under the urban development guidelines. There are enough educational institutes in the area, but parks.

Lol...so all these years, when 502 was spending millions in money and man hours maintaining the park, how come noone challenged the RCB to come in and do the job?

And no, there can never be "enough" educational institutes anywhere in Pakistan. Pakistan is a junkyard of ignorants and illiterates. We need to ensure our future generations are better off.
 

Musafir123

Senator (1k+ posts)
Lol...so all these years, when 502 was spending millions in money and man hours maintaining the park, how come noone challenged the RCB to come in and do the job?

And no, there can never be "enough" educational institutes anywhere in Pakistan. Pakistan is a junkyard of ignorants and illiterates. We need to ensure our future generations are better off.

Oh, so what is the source of earning of EME? They had been spending resources on the ground out of the national exchequer's pocket. It is the money of the people which has been spent on them out of a different channel. However, I doubt that this makes EME a legitimate owner of the property.

If someone living on a rented property keeps it clean and tidy, that is his good duty towards an entrust. However, it does not make him the owner.

Increasing the number of educational institutes does not ensure that your future generations are going to be better off.
It can only be ensured if their development is taken holistically. Tell me the percentage of local population attending a university in US, Canada, UK, Germany and France etc? Compare it with the stats of Pakistan, India and Bangladesh. We are still ahead in this. Where we lack is a holistic approach towards development.

Furthermore, if you are aware of the environmental economics, this is already their main paradigm that only education but a poor health does not lead to a good workforce. Their productivity is always hampered.

Remember, a healthy mind lives in a healthy body. You can find this quote in many Army administered parks even. In modern cultures, right of a healthy entertainment is also considered a basic human right.

On the other hand, if this institute was being built in an area where people really lack such a facility, I would have been the first one to support them, but this development is just commercial viciousness.
 
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Will_Bite

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Tell me the percentage of local population attending a university in US, Canada, UK, Germany and France etc? Compare it with the stats of Pakistan, India and Bangladesh. We are still ahead in this.

Now Ive seen everything!!

Not sure what the background of your overall argument is, but one thing is for certain. I smell a beef against the armed forces somewhere.

Areas designated for use by the armed forces are owned by the armed forces. It happens in every department. Instead of spewing needless venom against the armed forces, take a look around, and see the amount of land owned by Railways....Wapda....PTCL. Just a few years ago, 26% of PTCL was sold off to Etisalat of UAE for more than $2.5 billion...out of which, more than $1.5 billion was just for the land that came with it. This is just to give you an idea of the amount of land PTCL has. And here you are sobbing about a park under EME.

As for 502 workshop, it has generated more jobs for civilians in the area than most civilian organizations have. There is more open sewage in our country than the stars in the sky, and here you are lecturing me about the benefits of having a park over the benefit of having a college. If you want health, start with the basics. Ask the sewage department to clean up the filth first.
 

Musafir123

Senator (1k+ posts)
Now Ive seen everything!!

Not sure what the background of your overall argument is, but one thing is for certain. I smell a beef against the armed forces somewhere.

Areas designated for use by the armed forces are owned by the armed forces. It happens in every department. Instead of spewing needless venom against the armed forces, take a look around, and see the amount of land owned by Railways....Wapda....PTCL. Just a few years ago, 26% of PTCL was sold off to Etisalat of UAE for more than $2.5 billion...out of which, more than $1.5 billion was just for the land that came with it. This is just to give you an idea of the amount of land PTCL has. And here you are sobbing about a park under EME.

As for 502 workshop, it has generated more jobs for civilians in the area than most civilian organizations have. There is more open sewage in our country than the stars in the sky, and here you are lecturing me about the benefits of having a park over the benefit of having a college. If you want health, start with the basics. Ask the sewage department to clean up the filth first.

Yes, I agree. There is a serious problem with your understanding.


http://ec.europa.eu/environment/eur...ing-our-cities-attractive-and-sustainable.pdf

If this can't make you comprehend the idea, nothing will.

If there had been bad things going on in other areas does not mean that EME should take steps in the same direction.
 

Will_Bite

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)

Scratch my previous post....NOW ive seen everything. Quoting EU white paper to justify your point regarding Pakistan? A country that doesnt even have proper sewage facilities?

Pakistan is among the 10 worst countries when it comes to sanitation facilities...i-e, frickin toilets! Maybe that is why we need more parks. so that people can urinate and defecate there?

If you really want to push your anti-army agenda, then at least add some legitimate weight to it.....like "those bloody generals, who propped up scumbags like Nawaz Sharif"
 

Musafir123

Senator (1k+ posts)
Scratch my previous post....NOW ive seen everything. Quoting EU white paper to justify your point regarding Pakistan? A country that doesnt even have proper sewage facilities?

Pakistan is among the 10 worst countries when it comes to sanitation facilities...i-e, frickin toilets! Maybe that is why we need more parks. so that people can urinate and defecate there?

If you really want to push your anti-army agenda, then at least add some legitimate weight to it.....like "those bloody generals, who propped up scumbags like Nawaz Sharif"

Excuse me, but you sound like a nooni Patwari here who says "Pehlay ja ker dosron ka ahtisab karo, phir Nawaz Sharif ka ahtisab kerna", or just like "kya baqi sab sadiq aur ameen hain jo 62/63 main Mian Sb ko farigh ker diya?". I am sorry, but your logic is the same here. I am asking about sustainable urban development while you are trying to blame every other thing and every institution of Pakistan. Please do let me know if you have a valid and relevant argument on this matter. Either tell me that the Park is no more needed or that the APS college is more necessary to be built at the heart of RWP, where there are numerous other quality education institutes around, or there is no other place for the APS to be built.

If sustainable urban planning is not our need of the time, then how do you see that billion tree tsunami in KPK? shouldn't they be prioritizing other things, like the drainage and sewage system as you said?

Furthermore, this development of the college is not being done to reduce the problem of illiteracy in Pakistan. It is to serve the commercial interests only, at the cost of depriving the local population of a healthy recreation.

Respecting Pakistan's Armed forces is something else, criticizing their decisions over such matters is something way too different. I am not asking Pakistan Army to surrender Kashmir to India or go to TTP and say sorry to them. There is a sleek difference between supporting our forces and totally becoming a boot polishia. At the end of the day, this Army has to be concerned with the welfare of the Pakistani nation as a whole, not only of itself alone as an institution.
 
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Will_Bite

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
If sustainable urban planning is not our need of the time, then how do you see that billion tree tsunami in KPK? shouldn't they be prioritizing other things, like the drainage and sewage system as you said?

Furthermore, this development of the college is not being done to reduce the problem of illiteracy in Pakistan. It is to serve the commercial interests only, at the cost of depriving the local population of a healthy recreation.

Tree tsunami in KPK was not done by uprooting houses or schools. It was done in forests, mountains, and places that were overlogged. And the tree tsunami was done in tandem with education. Your comparison is pretty close to apples and oranges.

If according to you, this college is being built to suit commercial interests, then the same can be said for most of the reputable and worthwhile institutions in Pakistan. Many of the well performing colleges in the country are privately owned, and have commercial interests. Lets dismantle them and build parks. People need to stay fit ...(and i guess, defecate, because theres a shortage of loos as well)
 

Musafir123

Senator (1k+ posts)
Tree tsunami in KPK was not done by uprooting houses or schools. It was done in forests, mountains, and places that were overlogged. And the tree tsunami was done in tandem with education. Your comparison is pretty close to apples and oranges.

If according to you, this college is being built to suit commercial interests, then the same can be said for most of the reputable and worthwhile institutions in Pakistan. Many of the well performing colleges in the country are privately owned, and have commercial interests. Lets dismantle them and build parks. People need to stay fit ...(and i guess, defecate, because theres a shortage of loos as well)

So it means Govt of KPK is providing more jungles to the people as alternative toilets?

I think the idea of Billion Tree Tsunami is to have a sustainable environment. Likewise, the idea of keeping a park is the same-- to have a sustainable urban development.

Mind you that the educational institutes in KPK are not being developed in the areas where there are already plenty around, and also not at the expense of demolishing a public facility like a park of this sort.

If you can't see the relevance of my arguments to the problem highlighted, its not my fault. Perhaps its the swell of your ego of being a hard head which is hampering your vision.

If other institutions are not doing something good, it doesn't mean that Army should also join them in the race. Period.
 
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Will_Bite

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
If you can't see the relevance, its not my fault.

I think its safe to say that we dont disagree on the need for parks, and schools in general.

Prioritization is a different animal, and is tackled on a case by case basis. The debate on that could go on for ages. The case in this thread though is of a community's requirements. Army builds APS schools in order to help children of armed forces personnel have a steady education, since they move frequently. You can dispute that, and like I said, its an endless debate.
 

Star Gazer

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Lol...so all these years, when 502 was spending millions in money and man hours maintaining the park, how come noone challenged the RCB to come in and do the job?

And no, there can never be "enough" educational institutes anywhere in Pakistan. Pakistan is a junkyard of ignorants and illiterates. We need to ensure our future generations are better off.

I agree I have lived in the area and love the park. EME has done a great service by contributing to the community by donating and maintaining the land for 502 park. One whole generation has grown up loving the opportunity and all they are asking is for allowing their generations to have the same.
Schools and colleges are needed and must be built but a little further a little away is not going to be too bad or drastic. Look for the 18th camel.