3 numbers that explain why ISIS will be so hard to destroy

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AbuDujana

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After President Obama announced his plan to destroy the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS), one general involved in war planning called the mission "harder than anything we've tried to do thus far in Iraq or Afghanistan," according the Washington Post. Given how tough those wars have been for the United States, that's an incredibly high bar. So what is it about the ISIS situation that makes it so very hard for the United States to solve?


Obviously, there are quite a few things that make the crisis in Iraq and Syria complicated. But there are three really important features of the ISIS crisis that make it especially complicated. Each can be represented, simply, in one number. So here are three numbers that explain the ISIS crisis — and why it's so, so difficult to resolve.


1) 20,000





The CIA estimates that ISIS has a fighting strength of 20,000 — at minimum. The high-end estimate is 31,500.
Back in June, the Agency estimated that ISIS topped out at about 10,000 soldiers. But after its June 10 offensive that swept northern Iraq (explained in the above video), ISIS' recruiting surged. Moreover, the group captured advanced American equipment during the offensive, which has given it an edge even against the well-trained Kurdish peshmerga.


These ISIS fighters are extremely effective in tactical terms. The veterans are battle-tested from years of fighting in Syria and Iraq, and ISIS has skilled ex-Saddam commanders in its officer corps. In June, 800 ISIS fighters sent 30,000 Iraqi army troops packing from Mosul, Iraq's second largest city.


Contrast this with the Syrian rebels the US is trying to arm and train. The BBC reported in December 2013 that there are about 1,000 rebel groups in Syria, totaling about 100,000 soldiers. However, that count included not just the rebels that Obama wants to arm and train to fight ISIS, but also ISIS itself, al-Qaeda in Syria, and other jihadi groups.


As the Times explains, the prospects for marshaling a unified rebel front against ISIS are dismal at best. "Analysts who track the rebel movement say that the concept of the Free Syrian Army as a unified force with an effective command structure is a myth," the New York Times' Ben Hubbard, Eric Schmitt, and Mark Mazzetti wrote. "Since pushing ISIS from parts of northern Syria early this year, Syria's rebels have few military advances to point to and in many areas have lost ground, to [Syrian dictator Bashar al-]Assad's forces and to ISIS."
"In many places they remain busy fighting Mr. Assad and are not eager to redirect their energies to ISIS," they dourly conclude.
2) 56

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Iraqi Shia militias, despised by Sunni Iraqis, march. (Ahmed al-Rubaye/AFP/Getty Images)


New Iraqi Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi's cabinet is 56 percent Shia, according to a count by indispensable Iraq blogger Joel Wing. That makes his cabinet even more Shia heavy than either of his disgraced predecessor Nuri al-Maliki's last two administrations, which were (respectively) 52 and 46 percent Shia.


Why does this matter? Well, Sunni discontent with Iraq's largely Shia government is the core driver of ISIS' strength in heavily Sunni northwest Iraq. The Obama administration's Iraq strategy is premised on the idea that the current government will govern in a far less sectarian manner than Maliki, who was quite cruel to Sunnis, did.


"I've insisted that additional US action depended upon Iraqis forming an inclusive government, which they have now done in recent days," Obama said in his September 10 address announcing the new counter-ISIS campaign.
But the reality of the Iraqi government, thus far, suggests the opposite. "The government is composed mostly of Shia Islamists who may not differ from Maliki on many key issues," Fanar Haddad, an expert on Iraq's Sunni-Shia divide at the National University of Singapore, told me in an email. "In fact, the track record shows that the new government is likely to be more hardline than Maliki on contentious issues."


Haddad points to the new coalition's "voting patterns and positions" on two core Sunni-Shia issues as proof. First, they've been skeptical of decentralization, which means granting more autonomy to Sunni and Kurdish regions. Second, they've held up efforts to rewrite Iraq's de-Baathification law, which excludes former members of Saddam's government from holding positions in government. In practice, de-Baathification has been used to exclude Sunnis from important positions in the army and other major Iraqi institutions.


Indeed, some of the hardline Shia parties in Abadi's coalition helped scuttle an early 2013 proposal from Maliki and Sunni lawmaker Saleh al-Mutlaq to reform de-Baathification laws. Many of these guys, in other words, are significantly more hardline than Maliki.


So while Abadi himself has promised to govern more inclusively, his coalition may make that extremely hard to do. And until that changes, Sunnis will continue to feel alienated — and will turn to ISIS.
3) 0

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Anti-American Iraqi insurgents in 2006. Menendj



According to the Washington Post, the US has failed to destroy a single major Islamist terrorist organization since 9/11. That's right: after the so-called War on Terror began, the United States hasn't managed to annihilate a single significant militant group. And Obama wants to make ISIS, one of the strongest such groups we've ever seen, the very first.



Obviously, America's failure isn't for lack of trying. It's because destroying terrorist organizations is quite difficult. These organizations, ISIS included, often have some level of support from the local population, which makes it easy for them to hide among civilians and recruit new fighters. They frequently have bureaucratic, decentralized leadership structures that make the loss of even high-level leaders insignificant. ISIS may be an exception here, as self-proclaimed Caliph Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi is quite important to the group, but it's tricky to make the case that ISIS will fall apart without Baghdadi so long as he's still alive.


Moreover, ISIS has a history of resiliency. During the later stages of the Iraq war, a Sunni uprising (called the Awakening) and an improved US offensive demolished what was then al-Qaeda in Iraq, reducing its membership by about 95 percent. Yet despite these losses, AQI rebuilt itself, and eventually morphed into ISIS.


Obama cited US campaigns against Islamist militants in Yemen and Somalia as success cases. But, as ThinkProgress' Hayes Brown pointed out, al-Qaeda in Yemen, called al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, has weathered the US bombing campaign. The National Counterterrorism Center believes that AQAP is the terrorist group "most likely to attempt transnational attacks against the United States." And al-Shabaab, the Somali militant group, is alive and kicking, though the US and local allies have killed some of its leaders and pushed it back from its territorial high-water mark.


The point, then, is that everything we know about similar organizations suggests that the campaign against ISIS will take a long time, if it ever succeeds. ISIS can be weakened and pushed back, but destroying it outright is next-to-impossible.


"We're not going to see an end to this in our lifetime," Charles F. Wald, a retired Air Force general who oversaw the start of the air war in Afghanistan in 2001, told the Post.


http://www.vox.com/2014/9/12/6138977/isis-iraq-numbers
 
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k-a-q

MPA (400+ posts)
ISIS threatening to execute Iraqi journalists

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Reporters Without Borders expresses grave concern over the fate of Raad Mohamed Al-Azaoui, an Iraqi journalist taken prisoner by ISIS on 7 September and threatened with beheading. The Islamic State offensive in Iraq that began last June, shows journalists more unprotected than ever in the face of mounting danger.

The Islamic State since its emergence has made journalists a terror target, said Virginie Dangles, assistant research director of Reporters Without Borders. The terrorist organization, in setting up an apparatus for kidnapping and executing news professionals, is attempting to eliminate all those who refuse to swear allegiance to ISIS.


Al-Azaoui
, a camerman for Sama Salah Aldeen TV, was captured by members of the Islamic State, accompanied by about 20 Iraqi nationals, in Samara, in Salahuddin province, north of Baghdad.
The jihadist organization has announced that it plans to carry out its decapitation threat because the journalist refused to work for the Islamic State.

Three weeks earlier, on 15 August, members of the jihadist organization had captured Ahmed Khaled Al-Dlimi - known as Bassem Ahmed Al Watani in Tikrit. His fate remains unknown.


Metro Center
, an Iraqi journalists rights NGO based in Suleimaniya in Iraqi Kurdistan, has expressed concern following the 13 August capture of journalist and Yazidi activist Tarek Salah Shankali. According to some information from people close to him, Shankali was killed soon after he was taken. But other sources claim he remains a prisoner of the Islamic State.


Iraqs Journalistic Freedoms Observatory RWBs partner organization in Iraq confirms that ISIS publicly threatened nine journalists by name in Mosul and Salahuddin provinces. The jihadist organization demanded that they stop their professional activities and join ISIS ranks or face execution. In addition, rumours are circulating to the effect that ISIS has seized digital files with personal data on journalists in the two provinces.


On 1 September, the home of Al-Hurra TV correspondent Maitham Al-Chibani in the city of Al-Diwaniya, south of Baghdad, was targeted for attack by unknown armed men. The attack left major damage though no injuries. Axel Balat, UNESCO director for Iraq, responded by sounding the alarm concerning attacks on Iraqi journalists. He urged that all measures be taken to assure their safety.


Media organizations are paying a heavy price for the chaos raging through Iraq. On 24 August, the offices of Al-Fayhaa TV, located in Basra Province in southern Iraq, was targeted by a major grenadeattack by an unidentified armed group. The attack did not claim any victims.

source: http://en.rsf.org/iraq-isis-threatening-to-execute-iraqi-11-09-2014,46935.html
 
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hans

Banned
Now you know .... why its hard to Rub off ISIS...

Now compare ISIS with IBLIS...

Million of people, on Hajj .... go to ramī aj-jamarāt, meaning "Stoning of the jamarāt

DId you ever able to kill Iblis or even injure this creature of Allah SWT????

Same for ISIS and your kind.

"When he [Abraham] left Mina and was brought down to (the defile called) al-Aqaba, the Devil appeared to him at Stone-Heap of the Defile. Gabriel said to him: "stone him!" so Abraham threw seven stones at him so that he disappeared from him. Then he appeared to him at the Middle Stone-Heap. Gabriel said to him: "Pelt him!" so he pelted him with seven stones so that he disappeared from him. Then he appeared to him at the Little Stone-Heap. Gabriel said to him: "Pelt him!" so he pelted him with seven stones like the little stones for throwing with a sling. So the Devil withdrew from him."

Word used is Withdrew....

same for ISIS and its idiology, it comes and Withdrew... GO read history.
 

hans

Banned
Re: ISIS threatening to execute iraqi journalists

What do you think .....
ISIS are Muslims?????

Trust your self and use common sense..... ISIS here to kill Muslims... and will do as Directed.
 

Rooh-e-Safar

Senator (1k+ posts)
[h=1]ISIL hit U.S. F-15 with anti-aircaft batteries captured from Iraq[/h]Special to WorldTribune.com
WASHINGTON — Islamic State of Iraq and Levant has been operating anti-aircraft batteries stolen from the Iraqi military.
Officials said the U.S. military has determined that ISIL deployed an unspecified number of anti-aircraft artillery to counter Western air strikes in northern Iraq.
ISIL fighters on top of a captured military vehicle with anti-aircraft guns in Raqqa, Syria. /Raqqa Media Center/AP
Western diplomatic sources said ISIL struck at least one U.S. aircraft. They said an F-15 fighter-jet was hit by ISIL fire in late August that damaged the hydraulic system and forced the aircraft to land in neighboring Turkey.
Officials did not identify the anti-aircraft batteries employed by ISIL, according to a report by Middle East Newsline. But they acknowledged that most of the stolen Iraqi military equipment used by ISIL was of U.S. origin, including artillery, armored personnel carriers and combat vehicles.
The officials said ISIL was operating the artillery, captured from northern Iraqi military bases in June 2014.
“They have used these batteries to protect their positions against air strikes,” an official said.
On Sept. 7, the U.S. Air Force attacked ISIL anti-aircraft positions near the Haditha dam in northern Iraq. At least five sorties were reported, which targeted U.S. combat platforms stolen by ISIL.
“The strikes destroyed four ISIL Humvees, four ISIL armed vehicles — two of which were carrying anti-aircraft artillery — one ISIL fighting position, one ISIL command post, and one ISIL defensive fighting position,” U.S. Central Command said.
Centcom did not say whether ISIL, which has been attacking communities near Baghdad, fired the anti-aircraft batteries. The statement said the U.S. fighter-jets “exited the strike areas safely.”
 

RUMIjee

MPA (400+ posts)
In my opinion eventually every Muslim country will fall to ISIS one by one from Middle east to Central asia, Africa To Albania. ISIS is like virus which has no cure.
 

tz00007

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: ISIS threatening to execute iraqi journalists

as usual.. animals are going to kill an innocent journalists... ye inka Islam hay...
 

hans

Banned
Have you read this Book?????

If not .. read it .....

you will then spit on the very word ISIS.
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ISIL hit U.S. F-15 with anti-aircaft batteries captured from Iraq

Special to WorldTribune.com
WASHINGTON — Islamic State of Iraq and Levant has been operating anti-aircraft batteries stolen from the Iraqi military.
Officials said the U.S. military has determined that ISIL deployed an unspecified number of anti-aircraft artillery to counter Western air strikes in northern Iraq.
ISIL fighters on top of a captured military vehicle with anti-aircraft guns in Raqqa, Syria. /Raqqa Media Center/AP

Western diplomatic sources said ISIL struck at least one U.S. aircraft. They said an F-15 fighter-jet was hit by ISIL fire in late August that damaged the hydraulic system and forced the aircraft to land in neighboring Turkey.
Officials did not identify the anti-aircraft batteries employed by ISIL, according to a report by Middle East Newsline. But they acknowledged that most of the stolen Iraqi military equipment used by ISIL was of U.S. origin, including artillery, armored personnel carriers and combat vehicles.
The officials said ISIL was operating the artillery, captured from northern Iraqi military bases in June 2014.
“They have used these batteries to protect their positions against air strikes,” an official said.
On Sept. 7, the U.S. Air Force attacked ISIL anti-aircraft positions near the Haditha dam in northern Iraq. At least five sorties were reported, which targeted U.S. combat platforms stolen by ISIL.
“The strikes destroyed four ISIL Humvees, four ISIL armed vehicles — two of which were carrying anti-aircraft artillery — one ISIL fighting position, one ISIL command post, and one ISIL defensive fighting position,” U.S. Central Command said.
Centcom did not say whether ISIL, which has been attacking communities near Baghdad, fired the anti-aircraft batteries. The statement said the U.S. fighter-jets “exited the strike areas safely.”
 

Mechanical Monster

Senator (1k+ posts)
In my opinion eventually every Muslim country will fall to ISIS one by one from Middle east to Central asia, Africa To Albania. ISIS is like virus which has no cure.

People doubts how such big group/govt/ruler may come to an end, but when we finish them, people say, "did such people really exist"

It is in quran
 

Mechanical Monster

Senator (1k+ posts)

دجال کے بارے میں مولا علی نے فرمایا تھا کہ اس کا نام صائد ابن صائد ہو گا. صائد کا مطلب بے رحم شکاری ہے. یعنی اس سے پتا چلتا ہے کہ فسادی ابن فسادی کا گروپ ہی دجال ہے. واقعی ان صائد کے دل پتھر کے ہیں جو ہدایت نہیں قبول کرتے بس ظلم پر راضی ہیں
 

Freedomlover

Minister (2k+ posts)

مکار جھوٹے پھر آ گیا جھوٹ کے ساتھ کالے جھنڈوں کے بارے میں اصل حدیث یہ ہیں
کتنی بار تمہاری جعلسازی ثابت ہو چکی ہے مگر تمہاری ڈھٹائی باز نہیں آتی لو پھر دیکھو حدیث پاکpbuh کالے جھنڈوں کے بارے میں کیا فرماتے ہیں

Thawban said:
إذا رأيتم الرايات السود خرجت من قبل خراسان فأتوها ولو حبوا ، فإن فيها خليفة الله المهدي "
If you see the black flags coming from Khurasan then go there even if you have to crawl because there is the Khalifah of Allah, the Mahdi."[Mustadrak al Hakim hadeeth no: 8578, Behaqi in Dalail an-Nabuwwah 6/516].Source:
http://www.islamweb.net/newlibrary/d..._no=74&ID=8409


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muntazir

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
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Freedomlover

Minister (2k+ posts)
دجال کے بارے میں مولا علی نے فرمایا تھا کہ اس کا نام صائد ابن صائد ہو گا. صائد کا مطلب بے رحم شکاری ہے. یعنی اس سے پتا چلتا ہے کہ فسادی ابن فسادی کا گروپ ہی دجال ہے. واقعی ان صائد کے دل پتھر کے ہیں جو ہدایت نہیں قبول کرتے بس ظلم پر راضی ہیں
wesay monster bhe aik qisam kay munnay dajal ko kehtay hin. avatar say wazih hay kon dajal hay
 

Mechanical Monster

Senator (1k+ posts)

مکار جھوٹے پھر آ گیا جھوٹ کے ساتھ کالے جھنڈوں کے بارے میں اصل حدیث یہ ہیں
کتنی بار تمہاری جعلسازی ثابت ہو چکی ہے مگر تمہاری ڈھٹائی باز نہیں آتی لو پھر دیکھو حدیث پاکpbuh کالے جھنڈوں کے بارے میں کیا فرماتے ہیں

بریجوا ذرا غور سے پڑھو، منتظر نے حضرت علی کا فرمان لکھا ہے اور تم نے نبی پاک کا


ذرا نقشے سے یہ بھی سمجھا دو کہ تم حراسان کس جگہ کو کہتے ہو
 

Mechanical Monster

Senator (1k+ posts)
wesay monster bhe aik qisam kay munnay dajal ko kehtay hin. avatar say wazih hay kon dajal hay

AAdha sach bolna hmesha.... pora nahein
mein Mechanical Monster hon jis ke samne tm jese Godzilla aik kirley ki heesiyat rakhty hai. tmhara sathi King Kong merey samne bander hai aur kuch nahein...
Aur mein sirf insaniyat ki hidmat ke liye hon............


 
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