3 lines Denial of BIG BANG Theory:Amazing

WatanDost

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)


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jee_nee_us

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
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In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful
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Say: He is Allah, the One and Only!
Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;
He begetteth not nor is He begotten.
And there is none like unto Him.


ALLAH in this surah tells us who he is [/SIZE]
 

Bombaybuz

Minister (2k+ posts)
Can somebody define "God" here. If someone is able to I will accept Islam :)

Yes, I am an atheist

You must be blind also ... cause if you can't see Almight in every possible view around you ... then carry on as an atheist ... nobody is least bothered ...
 

sshahid

Siasat.pk - Blogger
Can somebody define "God" here. If someone is able to I will accept Islam :)

Yes, I am an atheist

You will not accept Islam no matter what definition anybody provides you. You knowingly disbelieve. You will only accept Islam when Allah the Almighty will open your heart. So do something to deserve that He opens your heart.

If you really need help send me a private message so I know you are serious to know Him and I will help whatever I can InshaAllah.
 

golmaal

Banned
I know quiet a good part of Quran by heart

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quran_ikhlas_2f.gif
In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful
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Say: He is Allah, the One and Only!
Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;
He begetteth not nor is He begotten.
And there is none like unto Him.



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ALLAH in this surah tells us who he is

The universe itself could also then be regarded as God because it has all the mentioned properties in the surah.
 

Bombaybuz

Minister (2k+ posts)

Ya qainaat beshaaq aik hadsa nahi hai ... per aaj hum janteey hain k aik planed aur calculated explosion bhe hote hain aur woh destruction k leya nahi constructive hotey hain in nature ... tou what wasif ali wasif in mentioning is a fact and no way its a denial to big bang theory and how it can be when quran ifself confirms it .... as if you go through following verses you will have a better understanding ...

It is mentioned in the Quran:He (God) is the Originator of the heavens and the earth (Quran 6:101)Is not He who created the heavens and the earth Able to create the likes of them? Yes; and He is the Knowing Creator. His command is only when He intends a thing that He says to it, Be, and it is. (Quran 36:81-82)The above verses prove that the universe had a beginning, that God was behind its creation, and all that God needs to do inorder to create is to say Be, and it is. Could this be an explanation as to what triggered off the explosion that brought about the beginning of the universe?The Quran also mentions:Have those who disbelieved not considered that the heavens and the earth were a joined entity, then We separated them, and made from water every living thing? Then will they not believe? (Quran 21:30)Muslim scholars who have explained the previous verse mention that the heavens and earth were once one, and then God caused them to separate and form into the seven heavens and Earth. Yet, due to the limitations of science and technology at the time of the revelation of the Quran (and for centuries to follow), no scholar was able to give much detail about how exactly the heavens and earth were created. What the scholars could explain was the precise meaning of each word in Arabic in the verse, as well as the overall meaning of the verse.In the previous verse, the Arabic words ratq and fataq are used. The word ratqcan be translated into entity sewn to joined together or closed up. The meaning of these translations all circulate around something that is mixed and that has a separate and distinct existence. The verb fataq is translated into We unstitched We clove them asunder We separated or We have opened them. These meanings imply that something comes into being by an action of splitting or tearing apart. The sprouting of a seed from the soil is a good example of a similar illustration of the meaning of the verb fataq.With the introduction of the Big Bang theory, it soon became clear to Muslim scholars that the details mentioned with regards to the theory go identically hand in hand with the description of the creation of the universe in verse 30 of chapter 21 of the Quran. The theory states that all the matter in the universe came into existence from one single extremely hot and dense point; that exploded and brought about the beginning of the universe, matches what is mentioned in the verse that the heaven and Earth (thus the universe) where once joined together, and then split apart. Once again, the only possible explanation is that Prophet Muhammad had truly received divine revelation from God, The Creator and Originator of the universe.
 

golmaal

Banned
So one person is saying believing in big bang is shirk and another is saying that it is fundamental to Islam and Quran (omg)

Ya qainaat beshaaq aik hadsa nahi hai ... per aaj hum janteey hain k aik planed aur calculated explosion bhe hote hain aur woh destruction k leya nahi constructive hotey hain in nature ... tou what wasif ali wasif in mentioning is a fact and no way its a denial to big bang theory and how it can be when quran ifself confirms it .... as if you go through following verses you will have a better understanding ...

It is mentioned in the Quran:“He (God) is the Originator of the heavens and the earth…” (Quran 6:101)“Is not He who created the heavens and the earth Able to create the likes of them? Yes; and He is the Knowing Creator. His command is only when He intends a thing that He says to it, ‘Be,’ and it is.” (Quran 36:81-82)The above verses prove that the universe had a beginning, that God was behind its creation, and all that God needs to do inorder to create is to say “Be,” and it is. Could this be an explanation as to what triggered off the explosion that brought about the beginning of the universe?The Quran also mentions:“Have those who disbelieved not considered that the heavens and the earth were a joined entity, then We separated them, and made from water every living thing? Then will they not believe?” (Quran 21:30)Muslim scholars who have explained the previous verse mention that the heavens and earth were once one, and then God caused them to separate and form into the seven heavens and Earth. Yet, due to the limitations of science and technology at the time of the revelation of the Quran (and for centuries to follow), no scholar was able to give much detail about how exactly the heavens and earth were created. What the scholars could explain was the precise meaning of each word in Arabic in the verse, as well as the overall meaning of the verse.In the previous verse, the Arabic words ratq and fataq are used. The word ratqcan be translated into “entity” “sewn to” “joined together” or “closed up”. The meaning of these translations all circulate around something that is mixed and that has a separate and distinct existence. The verb fataq is translated into “We unstitched” “We clove them asunder” “We separated” or “We have opened them”. These meanings imply that something comes into being by an action of splitting or tearing apart. The sprouting of a seed from the soil is a good example of a similar illustration of the meaning of the verb fataq.With the introduction of the Big Bang theory, it soon became clear to Muslim scholars that the details mentioned with regards to the theory go identically hand in hand with the description of the creation of the universe in verse 30 of chapter 21 of the Quran. The theory states that all the matter in the universe came into existence from one single extremely hot and dense point; that exploded and brought about the beginning of the universe, matches what is mentioned in the verse that the heaven and Earth (thus the universe) where once joined together, and then split apart. Once again, the only possible explanation is that Prophet Muhammad had truly received divine revelation from God, The Creator and Originator of the universe.
 

famamdani

Minister (2k+ posts)
Can somebody define "God" here. If someone is able to I will accept Islam :)

Yes, I am an atheist


some time u have pain in your life........................?????

if no then you dont need to believe an God,,,,,,,,,,,,,,till you experience of pain then

if yes then first you define me your pain............then i define also God....................why not welcome---------brother(bigsmile)
 

golmaal

Banned
some time u have pain in your life........................?????

if no then you dont need to believe an God,,,,,,,,,,,,,,till you experience of pain then

if yes then first you define me your pain............then i define also God....................why not welcome---------brother(bigsmile)

As far as certainty is considered, there is only one certainty, "I think therefore I am" i.e. myself. As far as definition of Pain is concerned, Pain is the sensation created by a person's brain which in actual is just a complex connection of neurons as well secretion of chemicals ... (theory) Pain can be regarded as an abstract concept with some psychological effects that can be tested and experimented with (observation).

The bolded part is the important one.
 

Bombaybuz

Minister (2k+ posts)
So one person is saying believing in big bang is shirk and another is saying that it is fundamental to Islam and Quran (omg)

I wish you would have replied to my other quote also ... no where he said it a shirk but the lines mentioned by wasif ali wasif can have many meaning ... so its a discussion none of us is authority on wasif nor on quran ...
 

golmaal

Banned

From your provided link

It is the ‘CREATOR’, the producer, the Manufacturer of the whole universe and its contents. In the English language He is ‘God’, or more appropriate in the Arabic language, ‘ALLAH’

So if our universe came into being from yet larger universe (like described in the String theory), it can also qualify as "God"?
 

insaf-seeker

Minister (2k+ posts)
From your provided link



So if our universe came into being from yet larger universe (like described in the String theory), it can also qualify as "God"?

I would not go in to debate with you, though I can explain each and everything, but again If you don't want to see the the reality then no one can show you!!!
 
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