1971 Mukti Bahini war documents lost!

[UKPakistani]

1971 Mukti Bahini war documents lost!

Incredible
Unbelievable! Incredible! Four decades or nearly 39 years have gone by this time for Bangladeshis to know the news is a fishy matter. Possibly it would have remained in the dark for another long time, how long difficult to imagine, had there been no program for reception for the freedom fighters of Bangladesh in Kolkata would be planned.
Evidences
The Times of India (TOI) published the news of destroyed documents at Calcutta (now Kolkata) Head Quarters at the Fort William soon after the war ended. General Jacob came to know about shredding the files with all documents as he enquired for the documents soon after he joined as the Eastern Command Chief in August 1974. That was 36 years ago. He kept the information to himself for all these years to disclose it now, not voluntarily but otherwise. But as the BBC Bengali Service Radio reporting from Kolkata on the 9th May aired an observation of another retired General about shredding off the documents. That was not covered in the TOI 9 May news. This General stated that the classified documents possibly had many facts that might in future seriously harm India - Pakistan relations, if declassified later on, and so were destroyed under order from Delhi. He did not elaborate neither did General Jacob say anything further.
Be these facts as are by now known in sketchy detail we may have some clues into the truth of the incredible matter whatever was published. The May 9 TOI issue had the news like this: “The history of the 1971 India Pakistan war will never be fully written. Most of the official records of the war that led to the liberation of Bangladesh have been destroyed… Authoritative Army sources said all records held at the Eastern Command in Kolkata, were destroyed immediately after the war”. The 11 May TOI news further added, “Senior army officers serving and retired are not surprised that official records of the 1971 war have been destroyed, particularly those related to the creation of Mukti Bahini…The records would have revealed the involvement of the Indian Army in then East Pakistan much before the war had been officially declared in December 1971….it must have been under instruction from the government”.

Delhi asked Kolkata
Delhi asked Calcutta to destroy the documents immediately after the war ended on the 16th December 1971 in matters of raising the Mukti Bahini or freedom fighters in many camps spread all over India, organization by Indian army units for their training to fight the Pakistan army inside East Pakistan, putting the Mukti Bahini in combative action, particularly, during March to December 1971, etc. The thesis advanced being that those documents, if made known to Pakistan at any time afterwards, would have adverse effects and might deteriorate relations between the two enemy neighbors at daggers drawn since the very days of 1947 and now going on in the same pattern for over 62 years since then. That was exactly what one retired Lieutenant General then in 1971 a Captain and a Colonel of Indian army who claimed to have been inside Bangladesh long before the war began. This was quite likely, and that is why Delhi asked for their shredding and possibly destroyed for good in bonfire.
Who else but Indira Gandhi
But then the question arises who exactly in Delhi directed Calcutta to do the job and keep that in secrecy for decades. Could it be anybody except the centre of power, the then Prime Minister, Indira Gandhi? Could the Chief of Army Manekshaw do the elimination bit all on his own the materials being otherwise internationally valuable war documents of 1971? The defense Minister Jagjivan Ram? How could he dare to do so not only being the subordinate one to Indira but also native of the scheduled caste or the ‘untouchable minister’? The other point that must come up, was there was any written formal order from Delhi? That’s not known as yet, possibly there were none and no way to know that precisely now for the matter is four decades old and the big players in the Great Game is already gone and passed away to the after world. Because in matters of such delicate issue involving another neighboring sovereign country whose destruction and dismemberment had been the goal of Indian high caste rulers in all likely would not keep any written record of the matter for future to know and make judgment on the PM’s psyche, attitude of the Congress and the administration. Because, as is well known it was her serious ego to dismember Pakistan by any means no matter how costly or foul those could have been. One must recall her determination in the matter in her 16th December 1971 evening straight forward comment after the war victory news given in the Parliament speech and brief comment made to the press immediately afterwards in exact verbatim: ‘HAZAR SALO KA BADLA LE LIE’- we have avenged the defeat of ‘One thousand years’.

Morarji Desai on 71 war
Morarji Desai the then oldest political leader and Deputy and later on Prime Minister of India and Jawaharlal’s close friend went all way out to state in public so much so that the war had been ‘willed’ and by ‘provocation’ engineered by Indira. He further went on to disclose that while the Indian army men in civilian dress had been fighting and five thousand of them gave lives in nine months between March and December 1971 not in formal war but outside declared formal war, the then Chief of Indian army Manekshaw told bluntly to the PM Indira that they must not give lives like that inside East Pakistan; they would prefer to fight in formal war (See, M. Rahman & N. Hasan, Iron Bars of Freedom, London 1980, pp.108-09). These are some of the available facts I have with me; there must have many other facts of more crucial and hegemonic feature that Indira, in particular, had had in view, and so considered appropriate to ask for their elimination from any record or even a trace that could have been there in any formal written order given in any file or in any document whatsoever.

Acrimony with no substance
On the 10th May evening BBC provided some other clues in the matter. The Opposition, particularly the BJP has asked for inquiry and let the people know the truth about the documents fate. This is simply to put fact straight that the Congress had been in Delhi’s power at that time; Indira had been the P.M. and historic heroine in the Great Game between the two rivals both of whom owe to the long past not only for war, fame and rivalry but also psychological warfare all the time. Had the BJP been then in power and the same thing happened, certainly the Congress now would make the same chorus for inquiry and report open to public. Undoubtedly the row is certain to keep the political air charged with the matter until how long it is difficult to predict at this stage. The issue may be a good point for political show down in the field ahead.
Loser Bangladesh
I am sure Pakistan may take the scope to score some points against Indian hegemony not only for her but also for all other smaller Indian neighbors. Bangladesh seems to incur the biggest loss in terms of self dignity and sovereignty for the main reason that the 1971 war was virtually turned into the India-Pakistan war, India won and Pakistan defeated, having no place of Bangladesh freedom fighters in the war except lip service and eyewash though many had valiantly fought then in 1971. The reception being arranged for the freedom fighters would be no make up of losses of Bangladesh already incurred in the fishy shredding off of the valuable historic documents lost in Kolkata Indian Army Eastern Command Head Quarter amazingly in top secrecy.

http://www.untoldfacts.com/south-asia/1971-mukti-bahini-war-documents-lost/

 

[UKPakistani]

The Courageous Pakistan Army Stand on the Eastern Front: An Untold Story of 1971 Indo-Pak War

THERE is much for Pakistan to come to terms with what happened in 1971. But the answers don’t lie in unthinking vilification of the fighting men who performed so well in the war against such heavy odds in defense of the national policy. Rather, in failing to honour them, the nation dishonours itself.

My introduction to international politics was 1971, as a schoolgirl in Calcutta. Many images from that year are still etched in my mind, but the culminating one was the photo on Ramna racecourse of two men sitting at a table — the smart, turbaned Sikh, ‘our’ war-hero, Jagjit Singh Aurora, and the large man in a beret, A A K Niazi, commander of the other side, signing the instrument of surrender. Nearly a generation later, a chance interview for the BBC (British Broadcasting Corporation) with Lt Gen. Aurora took me back to 1971. The interview was not about 1971, but about injustices suffered by Sikhs at the hands of the state General Aurora had served. I thought he was a bigger hero for what he had to say then. That view was reinforced as I read — with incredulity — the disparaging remarks by other Indian officers about him, and each other, in their books. If this is what happened to the winning commander, I wondered what had happened to the other man in the photo.
The result was a revelation.
It turns out that General Niazi has been my ‘enemy’ since the Second World War. As Netaji Subhas Chandra Bose and his Indian National Army fought on the Burma front in 1943-45 in their quest for India’s freedom, Niazi was fighting on the other side, for the British Indian Army, under the overall command of General (later Field Marshal) William Joseph Slim. Slim and his 14th Army halted the advance of the INA and the Japanese at the Imphal campaign and turned the course of the war.
In the process of inflicting military defeat upon my ancestor, Niazi’s performance was so exceptional that the British awarded him an on-the-spot Military Cross for action on the Assam-Burma front in June 1944. On another occasion they wanted to award a DSO, but he was too junior, so a Mention in Despatches was recorded. In the original record of his MC signed by his commanding officers all the way up to Slim, which I obtained from the British Ministry of Defence, the British commanders describe Niazi’s gallantry in detail: “He organized the attack with such skill that his leading platoon succeeded in achieving complete surprise over the enemy.” They speak of how he personally led his men, the ‘great skill and coolness’ under fire with which he changed tactics with changing circumstances, created diversionary attacks, extricated his wounded, defeated the enemy and withdrew his men by section, remaining personally at the rear in every case.
The British honoured Niazi for “personal leadership, bravery and complete disregard for his own personal safety.” On 15 December 1944 the Viceroy Lord Wavell flew to Imphal and in the presence of Lord Mountbatten knighted Slim and his corps commanders Stopford, Scoones and Christison. Only two ‘Indian’ officers were chosen to be decorated by the Viceroy at that ceremony — ‘Tiger’ Niazi was one of them. In 1971 Niazi was a highly decorated Pakistani general, twice receiving the Hilal-e-Jurat. He was sent to East Pakistan in April 1971 — part of a sorry tradition in South Asia of political rulers attempting to find military solutions to political problems. By then Tikka Khan had already launched the crackdown of 25 March for which he has been known to Bengalis as the ‘butcher of Bengal’ ever since. The population of East Bengal was completely hostile and Pakistan condemned around the world.

Authoritative scholarly analyses of 1971 are rare. The best work is Richard Sisson and Leo Rose’s War and Secession. Robert Jackson, fellow of All Soul’s College, Oxford, wrote an account shortly after the events. Most of the principal participants did not write about it, a notable exception being Gen. Niazi’s recent memoirs (1998).Some Indian officers have written books of uneven quality — they make for an embarrassing read for what the Indians have to say about one another.
However, a consistent picture emerges from the more objective accounts of the war. Sisson and Rose describe how India started assisting Bengali rebels since April, but “the Mukti Bahini had not been able to prevent the Pakistani army from regaining control over all the major urban centers on the East Pakistani-Indian border and even establishing a tenuous authority in most of the rural areas.” From July to October there was direct involvement of Indian military personnel. “…mid-October to 20 November… Indian artillery was used much more extensively in support …and Indian military forces, including tanks and air power on a few occasions, were also used…Indian units were withdrawn to Indian territory once their objectives had been brought under the control of the Mukti Bahini — though at times this was only for short periods, as, to the irritation of the Indians, the Mukti Bahini forces rarely held their ground when the Pakistani army launched a counterattack.”

Clearly, the Pakistani army regained East Pakistan for their masters in Islamabad by April-May, creating an opportunity for a political settlement, and held off both Bengali guerrillas and their Indian supporters till November, buying more time — time and opportunity that Pakistan’s rulers and politicians failed to utilise. Contrary to Indian reports, full-scale war between India and Pakistan started in East Bengal on 21 November, making it a four-week war rather than a ‘lightning campaign’. Sisson and Rose state bluntly: “After the night of 21 November…Indian forces did not withdraw. From 21 to 25 November several Indian army divisions…launched simultaneous military actions on all of the key border regions of East Pakistan, and from all directions, with both armored and air support.” Indian officers like Sukhwant Singh and Lachhman Singh write quite openly in their books about India invading East Pakistani territory in November, which they knew was ‘an act of war’.

None of the outside scholars expected the Eastern garrison to withstand a full Indian invasion. On the contrary, Pakistan’s longstanding strategy was “the defense of the east is in the west”. Jackson writes, “Pakistani forces had largely withdrawn from scattered border-protection duties into cleverly fortified defensive positions at the major centres inside the frontiers, where they held all the major ‘place names’ against Mukti Bahini attacks, and blocked the routes of entry from India…”
Sisson and Rose point out the incongruity of Islamabad tolerating India’s invasion of East Pakistani territory in November. On 30 November Niazi received a message from General Hamid stating, “The whole nation is proud of you and you have their full support.” The same day Islamabad decided to launch an attack in the West on 2 December, later postponed to 3 December, after a two-week wait, but did not inform the Eastern command about it. According to Jackson, the Western offensive was frustrated by 10 December.

Though futile, the Western offensive allowed India to openly invade the East, with overwhelming advantages. “ …despite all these advantages, the war did not go as smoothly and easily for the Indian army…”, but Sisson and Rose come to the balanced judgment that “The Pakistanis fought hard and well; the Indian army won an impressive victory.” Even Indian officers concede the personal bravery of Niazi and the spirited fight put up by the Pakistanis in the East. That the troops fought so well against such overwhelming odds is a credit both to them, and to their commanders, for an army does not fight well in the absence of good leadership.

However, as Jackson put it, “…India’s success was inevitable from the moment the general war broke out — unless diplomatic intervention could frustrate it.” As is well known, Pakistan failed to secure military or diplomatic intervention. Sisson and Rose also say, “The outcome of the conflict on the eastern front after 6 December was not in doubt, as the Indian military had all the advantages.” On 14 December Niazi received the following message from Yahya Khan: “You have fought a heroic battle against overwhelming odds. The nation is proud of you …You have now reached a stage where further resistance is no longer humanly possible nor will it serve any useful purpose… You should now take all necessary measures to stop the fighting and preserve the lives of armed forces personnel, all those from West Pakistan and all loyal elements…” Sisson and Rose naturally describe this message as “implying that the armed forces in East Pakistan should surrender”.

No matter how traumatic the outcome of 1971 for Pakistan, the Eastern command did not create the conflict, nor were they responsible for the failure of the political and diplomatic process. Sent to do the dirty work of the political manoeuvrers, the fighting men seem to have performed remarkably well against overwhelming odds. It is shocking therefore to discover that they were not received with honour by their nation on their return. Their commander, Niazi, appears to have been singled out, along with one aide, to be punished arbitrarily with dismissal and denial of pension, without being given the basic right to defend himself through a court-martial, which he asked for.

The commission set up allegedly to examine what had happened in 1971 was too flawed in its terms of reference and report to have any international credibility. However, even its recommendations of holding public trials and courtmartials were ignored. There is much for Pakistan to come to terms with what happened in 1971. But the answers don’t lie in unthinking vilification of the fighting men who performed so well in the war against such heavy odds in defence of the national policy. Rather, in failing to honour them, the nation dishonours itself.

 

[UKPakistani]

January 27, 2010: Watershed in the History of Bangladesh

The day – January 27, 2010 – will go down in the history of the South Asia as a black day on which five patriotic officers of the Army who saved Bangladesh from becoming the colony of India 35 years ago, were hanged. It was not surprising because the Prime Minister of Bangladesh – Hasina Wazed – is the daughter of the traitor – Sheikh Mujib – who was the President of the country against who the 15 August 1975 coup d’etat was carried out. It was vendetta, not justice; its shadow will loom large over the country until the legacy of the traitor is disowned and discredited in Bangladesh. It took Sheikh Hasina 35 years to discredit the heroism of the best sons of the soil as mere murders. It will not take that long to discredit Hasina – the lap dog of India - who has since become so bolds as to wear her father’s treachery as a badge of honour. It would not be long before Sheikh Mujib is seen as the worst traitor in the sub-continent since Mir Jaffer.
Bangladesh is the product of conspiracy and war in which India played the major part. India deserves credit for being able to recruit popular Muslim leaders of Bengal to betray their fellow Muslims to advance the objectives of India. Sheikh Mujib was a student leader active in the Pakistan Movement and he could have become the Prime Minister of Pakistan in 1971 when he emerged as the leader of the Party with the largest number of seats in the parliament. He met President Yahya Khan and accepted his invitation in March 1971 to form the next government. But only a few days later he conveyed regret to Yahya Khan after his Indian agent handler came back from New Delhi and informed him that Prime Minister Indira Gandhi had agreed to invade East Pakistan in support of his Unilateral Declaration of Independence (UDI). Sheikh Mujib betrayed his constituency, refused to take office as the Prime Minister of Pakistan, and followed the direction of his handlers from India. That truth has since been revealed in several books published in India and now his daughter – Prime Minister Hasina Wazed - has admitted that her father was a traitor (following story). The irony is that the politicians in Pakistan continue to sell the Indian propaganda that secession of East Pakistan was the ‘inevitable consequence of maltreatment’. What maltreatment? No one bother to ascertain or detail!

The senior most officer executed - Colonel Syed Farook Rehman – was like a son to me. I met him in Libya where he along with other officers who took part in the coup d’etat of 15 August 1975, had been given political asylum. A relationship of warmth and trust developed between me and Colonel Farook. He is the most fearless person that I came across in my life. The only person to benefit from his courage and fearlessness was the President of the country - General Ershad. He recognised the honourable role those young officers had played in loosening the shackles in which India held their country – Bangladesh. He allowed them to return to Bangladesh, whereupon they founded a new political party- Freedom Party. Colonel Farook contested presidential elections against General Hussain Muhammad Ershad, and secured respectable fifth of the votes cast. It was only after Mujib’s daughter – who had lived in exile in India for a long time – returned to Bangladesh; took the reins of her father’s party – the Awami League – into her hands and won the elections with the guidance and financial help of India in 1996. She had been campaigning on a platform to avenge the murder of her father. Most of those who had participated in the coup d’etat in 1975 left the country. However, the five (Colonel Farook, Lt Col Sultan Shahayar Khan, Lt Col. Mohyuddin Ahmed, Major Badrul Huda and Major AKM Mohyuddin) who were hanged on January 27, put faith in ‘indemnity’ provided by constitutional amendment. They were clearly wrong to have trusted the ‘judiciary’ to uphold that their action had been motivated by ‘high purpose’ and not ‘personal benefit’.

I feel sad that they were unable to articulate the ‘high purpose’ that motivated the action they took on 15 August 1975. It has since been clearly established that Sheikh Mujib acted under the guidance of and in collaboration with the enemy - India - to dismember his country. To remove a traitor – an Indian agent - from power is indeed ‘high purpose’. Now Prime Minister Hasina Wazed has admitted that her father was a traitor who worked with and for the enemy – India. It took her 35 years to so tire the people with rhetoric and propaganda and so undermine the institutions of the state that she could get away with murder. The execution of the five patriots on January 27 this year was indeed murder. The parliament reversed the ‘indemnity’ and a ‘special court’ passed the death sentences during her first term as Prime Minister. But she could not get high judiciary to bend to her will and reject their appeal. The military was also not willing to endorse their execution. Hasina had to wait until the Peelkhana mutiny and massacre by BDR (Bangladesh Rifles) of 25-26 February 2009, to terrify the people as well as the judicial and the military establishment to an extent that the ‘feared outrage’ that had prevented her from sending the five military officers to the gallows did not materialise.
This is the second instance of the Indian Intelligence (RAW) having won a victory far more substantive than any won by its military. The first was to absorb the independent state of Sikkim into India. Sikkim is a Buddhist country lying between Assam and Nepal that provided a route through low passes to Tibet province of China. Since India‘s imperialist rulers have always had an eye on Tibet as a target, they looked at occupation of Sikkim as a pre-requisite as it provided direct access to Tibet for military or clandestine operations. The methods India used in Sikkim were very similar to those in Bangladesh. India installed its protg – Kazi Lhendup Dorji – as the Prime Minister of Sikikim, who set up a pro-India Sikkim National Congress (SNC) as an affiliate of the Congress Party in India. The SNC started a movement for the ‘abolition of monarchy’. Demonstrations against the King were organised by RAW in which Indian military personal in civvies took part. Eventually, the Prime Minister Kazi Dorji invited the Indian Army into Sikkim to remove its ruler – Chogyal Palden – on April 6, 1975. The country of Sikkim was annexed by India and the annexation was validated by a referendum – something that India refuses to hold in the State of Jammu and Kashmir.
In Bangladesh, the Army had emerged as a strong institution willing and able to oppose and resist Indian domination. There had been three military coup d’etats in Bangladesh – all of which were successful - and the two led by the Army Chief - General Zia ur Rehman and General Hussain Muhammed Ershad – became the vehicle for new political parties to be created that won popular mandate in free elections. Naturally, the military of Bangladesh is seen by India as an impediment to its hegemony and by Sheikh Mujib’s Awami League as an obstacle in it collaborative rule. RAW came up with a plan to ‘remove the obstacle’: 1) to rig the elections to give the Awami League (AL) a landslide victory; 2) to use the AL members to incite a mutiny by BDR (which is border police) against their officers (who are seconded from the Army); 3) to use AL workers( even ministers) to facilitate the smuggling in of professional killers from abroad and arrange their exit while the Prime Minister herself provided time and opportunity for them to ‘complete the task’ by opting for prolonged negotiations keeping the Army from timely response to save the lives of their comrades and the honour of their wives.
History has seen many mutinies by soldiers against their officers but the officers were always of a different race or religion to that of the soldiers. I cannot recall any instance in history where soldiers engaged in the rape of the wives of their officers before murdering them. Fifty seven Army officers were killed in the Peelkhana Mutiny and Massacre in two days which is two more than during the 1971 insurrection and war. This is the most vicious mutiny in the annals of history; it is also the most diabolical because the allegedly popular elected government was complicit in every stage – planning, execution, exit and cover up. The people as well as the officials in Bangladesh know the facts, thanks to the Internet. But no one is willing to risk giving evidence. They are literally scared to death. It is widely believed that if any one expressed doubts about the AL version of events, he would invite the ire of RAW and be murdered like the Army officers and their wives held hostage in Peelkhana. It was in this environment of fear that the five patriotic officers were executed - eleven months after the BDR Mutiny; just over a year after Hasina became the Prime Minister for the second time.
The execution of the five officers is bound to be seen by the AL and RAW as the final triumph over the people of Bangladesh who, they believe, would have to comply with their every whim and wish and be punished for even the mildest protest. That India succeeded in getting patriots to the gallows and traitors into power, is a huge failure for Bangladesh as a country. It is not a failure of the ‘five martyrs for freedom’ who suffered long incarceration before being hanged, or their dwindling band of supporters; it is the failure of the society that allowed that to happen.

The colonization by India of Bangladesh is now complete. Prime Minister Hasina Wazed is complying with India’s orders unafraid of any institutional (the military or the judiciary) constraints or robust political opposition. She is now so confidant that India would be the overlord of Bangladesh for ever that she has now admitted that her father worked for India. She clearly thinks that she must henceforth work overtly for India and be rewarded with rule by ‘Mujib Dynasty’ in perpetuity. The military has been restrained in performing its statutory role to safeguard the national interest as RAW has demonstrated that its hold over Bangladesh is tight. No wonder the senior officers of the military are afraid they might be murdered by RAW agents or dismissed by the Government if they are suspected to be patriots unafraid of India.

The politics of Bangladesh is bound to become more polarised into ‘lackeys of India’ and ‘Muslim patriots’. The latter are bound to see Sheikh Mujib as a traitor worse than Mir Jaffer. (Mir Jaffer also became the ruler of Bengal as reward for cooperating with the British). The judiciary in Bangladesh has shown that it will also obey India’s wishes which is ensured by Hindus as Judicial officers at all levels including the Supreme Court. The people noted that the SC Bench, which upheld the death sentences to the five martyrs, had two Hindu members. It is a case of kangaroo court justice as it was ignored that those officers had acted as commanders of their units and should have been tried by a court martial. Until 1996, these officers had lived and worked in Bangladesh where they were seen to be patriots who saved their country from tutelage of India. That is why they had been given pardon and immunity from prosecution.

Hasina Administration has shown its obsequiousness to Indian interests also by handing over ULFA leaders to India even though there is no extradition treaty between India and Bangladesh. With the Armed Forces and the Judiciary so intimidated ‘new realities’ are being created quick and fast to prevent any future government of Bangladesh to be able to say ‘no’ to anything that India asks. The construction of Tipaimukh Dam is one; agreement to allow India to connect the ports of Bangladesh by rail is another. The people of Bangladesh are bound to reach the same conclusion that Colonel Farook and fellow patriots reached in 1975. They had concluded there was no way to stop the Indian protg – Sheikh Mujib - except by physically eliminating him. By being complicit in Peelkhana massacre Hasina has now reinforced the legacy of slaughter with the help of and at the behest of India. She is not merely the ‘daughter of a traitor’ but a traitor in her own right. The attempt to remove her may entail slaughter much more widespread over much longer time. It would be foolish to forecast her fate. But her days are numbered. ++

 

[ASQR1]

Wow, I have been saying this long time that Indian Army is no match for Pakistan Army, Pakistan howevwer lacks in a good leadeship, so in future I hope that Pakistansi will choose IK to balance the smarts with Pak Army.

I like to say that the worst of traitors were Muktibuhinis, as they coroborated with enemy, This report holds more water as it was writen by an Indian. So where are these Indian who are never short of words on other matters, what gives.

 

[raq1975]

Try to bring someone with sense of international politics. All morons who involve in politics these days does not have balls to deal with international pressure(thumbsdown)

 

[Rizwan2009]

وہ ايم کيو ايم کو دے ديئے گئے ہيں تاکہ وہي کام کراچي ميں بآساني کيا جاسکے

 

[lurker]

Wow, I have been saying this long time that Indian Army is no match for Pakistan Army, Pakistan howevwer lacks in a good leadeship, so in future I hope that Pakistansi will choose IK to balance the smarts with Pak Army.

I like to say that the worst of traitors were Muktibuhinis, as they coroborated with enemy, This report holds more water as it was writen by an Indian. So where are these Indian who are never short of words on other matters, what gives.

The worst traitors were the one's who screwed up and inturn planted the seeds of turmoil which bloomed to become the Muktibehanain. :P The Indians simply took advantage of it all. Sure it sucks they meddled in and took advantage and in turn defeated Pakistan; but that's the nature of the game. You leave your defense open and someone will come around to take advantage of it. The truth of the matter is it should NOT have reached the tipping point.

Today Pakistan is busy heading to another tipping point.

 

[ASQR1]

The worst traitors were the one's who screwed up and inturn planted the seeds of turmoil which bloomed to become the Muktibehanain. :P The Indians simply took advantage of it all. Sure it sucks they meddled in and took advantage and in turn defeated Pakistan; but that's the nature of the game. You leave your defense open and someone will come around to take advantage of it. The truth of the matter is it should NOT have reached the tipping point.

Today Pakistan is busy heading to another tipping point.

In every discussion you talk double talk, you say muktis were the product of turmoil seeded by traitors, you fail to mention the traitors names, Muktis were being trained by our arch enemy for years, you do not want to mention the name of India, it shows who your sympathies are with, on the other hand you mention hadith of our prophet S.A.A.S. and in that hadith you talk about our prophet saying negative things about women, very sad. your style is that of a person who has no scruples and will negative about every thing except India, in each and every post that you answer in this forum. You are classic case of negativity. You say that we should respect and live like neighbors with India but on this one you talk about Muktis with our pointing the real culprit and that is India, did India act as neighbor, never, so I believe either you are an Indian acting like a Pakistan or you are a RAW agent, who never puts the blame when it comes to India.

 

[lurker]

In every discussion you talk double talk, you say muktis were the product of turmoil seeded by traitors, you fail to mention the traitors names, Muktis were being trained by our arch enemy for years, you do not want to mention the name of India, it shows who your sympathies are with, on the other hand you mention hadith of our prophet S.A.A.S. and in that hadith you talk about our prophet saying negative things about women, very sad. your style is that of a person who has no scruples and will negative about every thing except India, in each and every post that you answer in this forum. You are classic case of negativity. You say that we should respect and live like neighbors with India but on this one you talk about Muktis with our pointing the real culprit and that is India, did India act as neighbor, never, so I believe either you are an Indian acting like a Pakistan or you are a RAW agent, who never puts the blame when it comes to India.

I don't see the problem as being external.
Jinnah gave multiple speeches, some secular, some non-secular - Problem is our Own.
Dictatorships are born - Problem is our Own.
Constitution is discriminatory - Problem is our Own.
Hudood Ordinances - Problem is our Own.
Corruption is rampant in Pakistan - Problem is our Own.
Bengali language is sidelined, even though Urdu was spoken by only 10% of Pakistanis in 1947. - Problem is our Own.
Denying the Awami League's victory leading to more discontent - Problem is our Own.
Exploitation of Bangladesh - Problem is our Own.

Most of these problems are all home grown Pakistani problems. It's nice and relaxing to declare that somebody from Outside messed it all up for us and we are blameless; but that's not how I operate. I mentioned in my post that Yes India took advantage. But India's role is a symptom and/or Progression of the disease, not *THE* disease itself. You want me to treat the symptom, Not the disease?

 

[ASQR1]

I don't see the problem as being external.
Jinnah gave multiple speeches, some secular, some non-secular - Problem is our Own.
Dictatorships are born - Problem is our Own.
Constitution is discriminatory - Problem is our Own.
Hudood Ordinances - Problem is our Own.
Corruption is rampant in Pakistan - Problem is our Own.
Bengali language is sidelined, even though Urdu was spoken by only 10% of Pakistanis in 1947. - Problem is our Own.
Denying the Awami League's victory leading to more discontent - Problem is our Own.
Exploitation of Bangladesh - Problem is our Own.

Most of these problems are all home grown Pakistani problems. It's nice and relaxing to declare that somebody from Outside messed it all up for us and we are blameless; but that's not how I operate. I mentioned in my post that Yes India took advantage. But India's role is a symptom and/or Progression of the disease, not *THE* disease itself. You want me to treat the symptom, Not the disease?

We have traitors who are bent on following the agenda set by others, it is like yourself, corruption is everywhere, last four mayors of Montreal have been fired for corruption, one billion dollars without gas plants in Ontario disappeared without plants by liberal Party, Most of the money in swiss banks is the money deposited is stolen from countries like Philippines, Pakistan etc., so don't talk about corruption.

Pakistan got on board for wot thinking that siding with our friends would be the thing to do, along the way Pakistan gave more sacrifices than anyone else, other instead of looking at it in a sensible way dump on Pakistan, it is like you who has grudge against Pakistan by singling out Pakistan and do not see the real world where corruption is the way. so go and learn some facts and than stop singling out Pakistan, see the Pakistan, who is been victimized by even our neighbors.Pakistan is resilliant country and it will survive. Insha Allah.

you cannot and should not call your self Pakistani because you talk like an adversary of Pakistan, so your right to call yourself Pakistani is revoked because of your stance against Pakistan in each an every post and because your siding with arch enemy of Pakistan, you better call yourself Indian,.